State programmer identifies template for Obama 'forgery'

WND ^ | July 12, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

[opentalk]

High-level engineer demonstrates how Nordyke birth certificates used.

A prominent software engineer claims the Obama birth certificate released by the White House was forged by using as templates the birth certificates of twins born in Hawaii one day after the president.

The engineer, a high-level programmer for a state government, spoke on condition of anonymity...

.... He believes forgers used the registration numbers of the birth certificates belonging to Gretchen and Susan Nordyke, 10637 and 10638, to create the Obama birth certificate number, 10641.

[PA-RIVER]

Vick , I'll check with you again, later. I guess You must be looking at the check boxes? Also, Let me know what software you are using to “Overlay” or “Opaque” adjustment's to see these differences in the boxes.

Don't include the back ground in the boxes, as that is a different computer layer to our presidents BC copy.

Thanks again, eagerly looking forward to the technical explanation and graphic... help this old man out!

[DiogenesLamp]

Do you also believe they used the Nordyke certificate as a template?

I have no idea. I don't even know how they made mine. Six years after the fact, and it has my birth doctor's signature on it. Did they get him to sign it 6 years later, or did they just copy his signature from another document?

[Gene Eric]

>> a high-level programmer

Low-level programmers are way cooler.

[Vickery2010]

"Dear Vick,

Patiently waiting for your reply..."

Holy crap! Has it really been over TWO HOURS since you asked me to do some graphic work for you? I apologize for not dropping everything I was doing so I could get to work doing the factchecking you obviously haven't bothered to do at any point to date, considering that you just pointed me to a tiny graphic on somebody else's website. Your patience obviously knows no bounds to put up with a whole two hours of waiting.

Anyhow, here's the comparison of the "1st" and "2nd" boxes.

Incredibly similar? Yes. And not surprising considering that they represent identical pre-printed boxes on the same form. But they're not pixel-for-pixel identical. Which is exactly what you claimed they were.

Maybe you think somebody cut-and-pasted the box but then fudged with a bunch of individual pixels around the edge to brighten or darken the black, and then completely changed the interior of the box?

Also, you should watch the video I posted above. There are some other people who found some 'identical' looking details in images that they deem quite suspicious and evidence of fraud. You clearly have a lot in common.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdzNSXDaRI

[Neoliberalnot]

The analysis of the BC proves it is a fraud, just as the document that was uncovered when Bush was running for president. I have a friend of 40 years in HA. Bo was also a drug dealer in high school and all of his papers from Indonesia were gathered prior to his election in order to conceal “sensitive” info from the public. This same friend knows the diplomat that was ordered to complete this task and was provided this information by direct contact. Bo is a fraud and lots of people know it.

[DiogenesLamp]

So, you theorize the true original BC had FMD (who was married to Helen Canfield at the time) as the father?

No. I don't know what was on the original birth certificate, but I very much doubt it would have FMD listed. If the theory of Barack Sr. as a "beard" is correct, it would defeat the whole purpose if FMD were identified as the father. FMD and Grandfather Stanley were good friends. FMD also had a wife and I believe 4 other children. I would guess it probably said Barack Obama from the very beginning, or perhaps "father unknown."

And that they persuaded BHO, Sr. to marry Stanley Ann in preparation for for the upcoming bastard birth, which they then legitimized by having BHO, Sr. adopt little Barry, after which the original BC was replaced by the one now in the Department of Health's files? Nice simple explanation, right? Which, BTW, also makes him eligible beyond any doubt whatsoever. LOL!

That's what *I* thought at first! The lawyer types tell me that according to American Law, it doesn't matter who your REAL father is, it only Matters who your LEGAL father is. I'm not sure that would apply to issues of the Presidency, and I would think that if FMD really is Barry's father, then that would make him unequivocally a "Natural Born Citizen." I think the legal system needs to get with the times. Now we can tell who the real father is.

On the other hand, even if FMD was the father (or maybe Anarchist Annie just wasn't really sure), wouldn't it have been much simpler just to tell BHO he was the father and please sign here? That way, no silly adoption procedures and no need to fabricate any birth certificates, legally or otherwise.

That very well may be what happened. I am all for finding information that will eliminate one or more possible theories, but don't overlook the possibility that Lolo Soetoro Adopted Barry, and THAT may be why his original record is sealed. Also it may be possible that the Grandparents Adopted Barry in 1970 (when his mother left him in Hawaii.) and that at some subsequent date he petitioned the court to change his name back to "Barack Obama."

I happen to personally know of a case where a Grandmother adopted two of her Grandsons because her Granddaughter was completely irresponsible and would not take care of them properly. Both children got new last names and new birth certificates. It was a pretty simple process. The mother signed over custody, and the Judge granted it.

[DiogenesLamp]

Low-level programmers are way cooler.

I started programing in hexadecimal machine code, and eventually started using assembly. In the last ten years I have been programing in "C++".

I think the only thing lower than machine code is binary instruction sets, and i've done a bit of that as well. (8080A) :)

[DiogenesLamp]

The analysis of the BC proves it is a fraud, just as the document that was uncovered when Bush was running for president. I have a friend of 40 years in HA. Bo was also a drug dealer in high school and all of his papers from Indonesia were gathered prior to his election in order to conceal “sensitive” info from the public. This same friend knows the diplomat that was ordered to complete this task and was provided this information by direct contact. Bo is a fraud and lots of people know it.

Oh, he's a fraud all right. I would like to know just what kind of fraud he is, and get the evidence to show everyone else. I don't doubt that minions have been sent everywhere to round up as much dirty laundry as they could.

[x]

So you are the most powerful person in the world and have all available resources at your disposal and you have to rely on the one template that is now pretty much in the public domain, accessible to everyone with an Internet connection, and the only person you can bet to do your dirty work is an obvious, bush league, second-rate forger?

Wouldn't you go to some other birth certificate, unknown to the public to form your template? In this case as in so much else what people are coming up against is the limit of their own knowledge: we have all seen the Nordyke birth certificate, so it just has to be the basis for the forgery, because we've all heard about it.

Not so long ago, people were saying that Obama's sister's birth certificate was the basis for a forged short form, computerized birth certificate, even though Obama's sister wasn't born in Hawaii. At some point, logic falls away and we turn to what we think we already know, even if it doesn't fit the theories.

Face it: if there is forgery and fraud involved it's got to be done on a very high level and you or I or some "expert" from nowhere wouldn't be the ones to detect it, and if there is "template" for the forgery, it will be something you've never seen.

I wouldn't put it past whoever produced the graphic to stick little curiosities into a fake birth certificate just to rile up the "birthers" -- or indeed to stick little inaccuracies and anomalies into the graphic of an actual legitimate birth certificate, just to make Corsi and WND think they're on to something.

[Revolting cat!]

WHY WOULD OBAMA PUT OUT SUCH AN AMATEUR FORGERY?

For mylife, I couldn't guess! 'Cause he knew that the issue wouldn't catch traction with the MSM?

[Revolting cat!]

What if I tell you that I know somebody, now comfortably retired in the tropics, somebody blood related, who worked on the filming of the moon landing in Burbank, California, the same historical studio where Chaplin, Mary Pickford, Edna Purviance (born Olga Edna Purviance), Ben Turpin and Fatty Arbuckle to name just a few, worked, and thanks to that job was able to retire early, buy a house next to Mick Jagger’s house in the Bahamas?

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

Actually, it doesn't look anything like those other certificates

So does it not look anything like those other certificates, or did it use those other certificates as templates? I don't see how you can have it both ways.

which happen to be original documents

The WND article says, "Exhibits 3 and 4 show Gretchen Carter Nordyke's birth certificate number in a positive developed from the original Hawaii DOH-issued photostatic copy." So no, they're not original documents--they're copies of copies.

Where is obama's original BC?

In a binder in some Hawaii DOH office.

[opentalk]

I think it has more to do with the number and being consistent with his other versions. The process of assigning numbers and time of birth. That is why the twins matter. The first COLB was put up on the Internet and amateur in nature.

This seems to be the only way Obama is going to get vetted. The more digging the better.

[RaceBannon]

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

That you honestly are trying to say that people with intelligence take that seriously is what is amazing!

[TXnMA]

"I aint interested in this folly."

So -- STFU about it, do your own thing, and let those who appreciate its importance do theirs.

Who elected you to be FR's dictator?

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

I can't for the life of me explain how the check boxes could end up with identical pixel configuration. To me, it's impossible unless they were copied and pasted....
If someone could tell me how this could happen naturally, please do so. I would love to hear it.

Coincidentally, the graphics expert cited in WND's last story on the subject -- thread here -- has a new article up today in which she writes:

Pixel-by-Pixel Twins: During the process of scanning, translation and optimization, the software searches for ways to create a document with the best possible appearance with the least required resources. One method of reducing effort is to duplicate similar characters from the first character identified, rather than re-forming each subsequent character from scratch. This results in a document, such as this one, with bits that are identical on a pixel-by-pixel basis.

I don't know if this is true myself -- and someone else here has already demonstrated that they're not perfect pixel twins -- but I thought it was worth bringing up.

[CommieCutter]

Only WND and a hand full of others are leading the charge on this.

So go get to business, nobody is stopping you but yourself.

[Rona Badger]

The check boxes are the tell, Pa. After reviewing dozens of theories, I had to do it for myself. I scanned my Certificate of Life Birth. The document I have was created in 1983 and it is a "true copy of the document filed in this office, if validated on the reverse," (which it is) from the year I was born, 1957 in California. The check boxes are all slightly different.

My record is not compiled from the original, it is a copy of the original document, and it's easy to tell that by the scratches and artifacts on the record--something missing from Obama's that seems suspicious. Why is his copy so clean looking? My file number is completely uniform and begins with 57-. His, with the duplicate ending 1 cannot be genuine.

A few people have mentioned the kerning problem with Obama's document, which, I agree, is not typical with a typewriter. However, on my document, some pairs of letters do not have uniform spacing, for example, the "rn" in California are running into each other. I don't believe the appearance of kerning is evidence of a forgery.

The left alignment of typed words on my COLB is not uniform running down the document. These are all over the map and don't even appear to be caused by using a tab key.

An uppercase "A" in my mother's first name was struck out (leaving a little shadow) and then retyped, leaving it slightly higher than the following letters. The capital "A" in my father's middle name is normal.

All instances of a lower case "l" are faded at the top. That could be from the ribbon, the finger pressure applied or from dirt on the key.

After scanning both to PDF and TIF, there are no layers. The PDF has no OCR Suspects as it is renderable text.

Running "examine document" on the PDF, this is the result. So there are some parts of the document that render as "hidden" and that seems like a layer, but it isn't. What is also strange is that the file number is perfect on the document, but in this image there is something between the 5 and the 6 that you cannot see otherwise. My point is that scanning to PDF does cause things to appear and disappear. But the identical check boxes alone are enough to convince me that the WH released document is a forgery!

[Revolting cat!]

The wise ones who tell the rest of us that the issue has no traction, may be right, but they’d hate to admit the reasons. An issue gains traction only and ONLY if the despised MSM picks it up. In other words, the “wise ones” (now in quotes) are still looking to the MSM to tell them, to spoon feed them what’s important and what isn’t.

This is the tragedy of the day, the power of the MSM to decide and to influence the masses.

[Kleon]

Pixel-by-Pixel Twins: During the process of scanning, translation and optimization, the software searches for ways to create a document with the best possible appearance with the least required resources. One method of reducing effort is to duplicate similar characters from the first character identified, rather than re-forming each subsequent character from scratch. This results in a document, such as this one, with bits that are identical on a pixel-by-pixel basis.

If we knew the scanner and software used, we could say exactly what's going on, but in general this is true. It's a far more believable explanation than forgery. As I've said before, if you look at the frequency and distribution of cloned letters, it doesn't make sense in the context of forgery.