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Fort Bragg death leads Army to suspend parachutes
AP ^ | 7/13/11

Posted on 07/13/2011 6:14:25 AM PDT by markomalley

The Army has suspended the use of its new square parachutes because of problems found after a Fort Bragg soldier died during a training jump.

The Fayetteville Observer reported Wednesday that the T-11 parachutes initially were praised as safer. Tests had shown the new parachutes provide a slower, more stable descent than the traditional mushroom-shaped style.

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KEYWORDS: airborne
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1 posted on 07/13/2011 6:14:30 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Well I hope they get this resolved....Paratrooper Jr is on orders to 82d


2 posted on 07/13/2011 6:21:09 AM PDT by Paratrooper
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To: Paratrooper

My son is stationed at Bragg as well. I don’t like reading things like this.


3 posted on 07/13/2011 6:27:49 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: Paratrooper

Don;t worry, Dad. He’ll be STRAC


4 posted on 07/13/2011 6:30:26 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: markomalley

The canopy in question.

5 posted on 07/13/2011 6:32:52 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Jemian

The 82nd Airborne Division still mainly uses T-10 parachutes, said Connolly, the division spokesman. The suspension of the T-11 won’t affect the division’s ability to conduct airborne operations, he said.

The new parachutes are supposed to replace the old ones in about five years.


6 posted on 07/13/2011 6:35:56 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: markomalley
Youtube t-11
7 posted on 07/13/2011 6:37:15 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: markomalley

Parachuting is inherently dangerous. In 1989 the 2-star commanding general of Walter Reid died from a liver laceration after a jump.


8 posted on 07/13/2011 6:43:29 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Don't Panic and always bring a towel.)
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To: markomalley
An inspection of 10 of the T-11 parachutes revealed "tangled pack assist loops, improper corner arm folds, improperly stowed bridle, twists in the top of the canopy and failed pull tests of the reserve parachutes," according to the memo.

Sounds like an issue with the people packing the chutes, or their procedures, rather than a design flaw with the chutes themselves.

9 posted on 07/13/2011 6:44:14 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In the land of the pigs, the butcher is king.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Somewhat, but packability is part of the design process, too. They don’t create the chute and then consider the packing configuration later.


10 posted on 07/13/2011 7:01:42 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Tijeras_Slim

That sure as hell loks like it was designed by a committee of government bureaucrat dumba$$es

as a PHYSICIST I cannot see any benefit here (unless they thought it “holds more air” (which would only help if they heated it)


11 posted on 07/13/2011 7:03:56 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: smokingfrog

My son’s not part of 82nd Airborne but he has done a few jumps.


12 posted on 07/13/2011 7:04:26 AM PDT by Jemian
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To: Mr. K

Fixing things that aren’t broken again.


13 posted on 07/13/2011 7:23:24 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: markomalley
This sounds like more of a problem with incorrect rigging....
(---espec the failed reserve chute pulls...?? HELLO!?!?)

More so than a deficiency in the canopy/deployment system...

***********

Pack it right.... it'll open!

14 posted on 07/13/2011 7:25:33 AM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: markomalley

Is this still a widely used tactic in the field?


15 posted on 07/13/2011 7:26:06 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (BE BOLD SARAH)
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To: knarf
Interesting video.

Obviously, the slower rate of decent will result in fewer injuries, but doesn't that also give the bad guys a better opportunity to blow you away if the DZ is not 100% secured? Probably not very good if it's windy either, since you are more likely to be blown off the DZ. Oscillations do tend to be a problem with the T-10 and this seems to be more stable in that regard.

16 posted on 07/13/2011 7:30:59 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: markomalley

My son withthe 173rd mentioned the new chutes and seemed to like them. Never really had a problem with the old ones myself but I did not do that many jumps.


17 posted on 07/13/2011 7:41:08 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Mr. K

I’ve jumped with the old PA-TU-32 (civilian) and this one looks like might be more steerable and oscillate less.

The round ones were fairly easy to pack, no idea how to deal with the corners and mushrom shape of this one.


18 posted on 07/13/2011 8:14:49 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: CholeraJoe

You are quite right. I suppose most of us don’t realize it because we don’t do it.

My son is a paratrooper with the 82nd and I asked him once, shortly after he got there, how was your jump? He responded by saying something like, “Any jump you can walk away from is a good jump.”

He then went on to tell me of a JOAX that he was part of where all over the drop zone there were many paratroopers calling for medics. Apparently after every jump there are injuries. Many are “simple” injuries like twisted ankles, but some are more severe like broken hips, arms, and backs. If I remember correctly, he said that they tend to hit the ground anywhere from 20 to 30 mph (depending on wind and if someone “steals your air”).

The risks and pains that so many people take on a daily basis to provide for our freedoms is mind blowing when you really begin to look into it. I say this as a Navy submarine veteran who has forgotten how soft I have had it for the last 20+ years.

As a side note, he jumped the next day after the paratrooper was killed using the T-11. I asked my son if he has used the T-11, and he said not yet.


19 posted on 07/13/2011 9:05:57 AM PDT by ScubieNuc
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I thought the state-of-the-art was the para-sail type?


20 posted on 07/13/2011 9:10:25 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Mr. K

They are highly maneuverable but need to be “flared” at landing to reduce speed and decent rate. Too much chance IMO of plowing into the ground, particularly at night, rough terrain, trees.


21 posted on 07/13/2011 9:20:25 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: smokingfrog
There WAS something subliminally nagging me when I watched that.

I think that is it ... the slow descent leaves a lot of time for the enemy to aim well.

22 posted on 07/13/2011 9:34:51 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Mr. K

I admit that I have never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane. However, as an engineer trained in fluid flow, my first guess on the subject of the chute descending slower is this: As the T-10 chute descends, the air trapped in the chute spills over the edge, whereas the T-11 chute may tend to corral that air a bit better and give a slower ride. This presumes equal plan areas, and is just a first thought.


23 posted on 07/13/2011 9:37:22 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Pecos

once it is ‘full’ it is back to the surface area and the spill over the sides.

If it slowed his rate then make a rectangular ‘box’ 20 feet longer. Or 50 or 100 ft, to catch more air.

The parasail was a huge improvement ove the plane curcular in that it had incredible control.

But for pure safety the circular one is most efficient at catching the air

I may be wrong, i really dont know- I have a BS. in Physics though so I am trying to think it through. It seems it boils down to surface area alone.


24 posted on 07/13/2011 9:46:15 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Pecos

Maybe there is something to it- I just tried to imagine a boat pulling a circular chute in water- it would be hard.

But a long similar diameter cylynder would be even harder, because you would have to drag that whole mass of water.


25 posted on 07/13/2011 9:48:47 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: ScubieNuc

When I was in the USAF, a brigade of the 82nd jumped into scrub pine on our base’s reservation before dawn. It was dark and a little windy. I happened to be the Medical Officer on duty in the Hospital’s Emergency Department that morning and saw 18-20 jump casualties, mostly ankle and knee sprains or fractures. There were two more serious injuries involving spine and head injuries.

I also had the opportunity to care for more than my share of USAF personnel injured during ejection and parachuting after aircraft mishaps. Those are even more serious since you add the shock of being fired by a rocket from an unstable aircraft going hundreds of miles per hour.

I agree with you about the risks of military operations. Even the most mundane of tasks like refueling an aircraft on the ground can turn into a blazing inferno if things go wrong.


26 posted on 07/13/2011 10:11:42 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (Don't Panic and always bring a towel.)
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To: knarf

The ideal thing would be to have different sized chutes depending upon your weight, but that would probably cost too much money.


27 posted on 07/13/2011 10:20:01 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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28 posted on 07/13/2011 11:01:19 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Mr. K

I think the “spill over the sides” is likely the major issue, if the two chutes have the same plan area. Think in terms of Extreme System Parameters (ESP), and picture a low speed wind tunnel with smoke streams passing over the chutes. Chute #1 will be a simple flat circle that is kept flat by extra guy lines. All of the air it encounters will spill and the chute will be nearly impossible to control due to its oscillations. Chute #2 will be a tall thing with the same plan area. Proportionately, very little of its air will spill and there will be almost no oscillations. [No controllability either.]


29 posted on 07/13/2011 11:22:33 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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