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Why Bachmann Could Win in 2012
Townhall.com ^ | July 13, 2011 | Terry Jeffrey

Posted on 07/13/2011 9:56:45 AM PDT by Kaslin

Eventually, the 2012 Republican presidential primary race will boil down to just two candidates. One will be the establishment candidate and the other will be the conservative candidate.

Either would have a real chance of beating Barack Obama in the general election, but the conservative candidate would have the better chance.

As early as it is, the Republican Party's internal "establishment" primary is almost over. Only two candidates are now competing for that nod: former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman -- who most recently served as Obama's ambassador to China.

In the RealClearPolitics average of national polls, Romney leads the Republican field with 25 percent. Huntsman trails the field with 2 percent. If Huntsman can triple his support to 6 percent, he will nudge ahead of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who is at 5 percent, but still lag behind Rep. Ron Paul, who is at 6.5 percent.

When people start casting votes in the early Republican contests this winter -- the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary -- Romney will still be a viable candidate. Huntsman may not make it even that far.

So, if Romney is likely to be the establishment Republican candidate, who will emerge as the conservative candidate?

Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty gave a good indicator Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Host David Gregory asked Pawlenty, "What makes you different than Congresswoman (Michele) Bachmann?"

"Well, I like Congresswoman Bachmann," Pawlenty responded.

"I've campaigned for her," he said. "I respect her.

"But her record of accomplishment in Congress is nonexistent. It's nonexistent," Pawlenty continued. "And so we're not looking for folks who, you know, just have speech capabilities, we're looking for people who can lead a large enterprise in a public setting and drive it to conclusion. I've done that, she hasn't."

Gregory -- a predictable establishment-media liberal -- then invited Pawlenty to bash Bachmann for being "too controversial" (which is liberal-speak for someone who is outspokenly conservative) and for possessing "a temperament that's not suitable for the presidency" (which is liberal-speak for someone who does not cower when the establishment media attempts to intimidate her into abandoning her principles).

Unlike former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, who in May accepted Gregory's invitation to bash Rep. Paul Ryan and his budget plan, Pawlenty answered shrewdly.

"Congresswoman Bachmann and I ... share many of the same issue positions," Pawlenty told Gregory. "We're both conservatives. I think the main difference is this -- I've got executive leadership in a public setting with a record of accomplishment and results under difficult and challenging circumstances, and she has served in Congress. And in that regard, her record of accomplishment is, you know, like I said, nonexistent."

Notice that Pawlenty did not try to distance himself from Bachmann on the issues. He did not try to get to her right -- or to her left. He wanted to signal to voters that, philosophically, he stands right there -- on the right -- with Bachmann.

He used his agreement with her to ratify his own conservative credentials.

But, assuming that Pawlenty and Bachmann truly do take essentially the same stands on the issues (a fact likely to be either demonstrated or refuted by deeper research into their records and more direct debates as the campaign moves forward), will Pawlenty's argument that he is a superior candidate to Bachmann because he was a governor in Minnesota while she was a congresswoman in Washington, D.C., actually pry away conservative caucus and primary voters from Bachmann and deliver them to Pawlenty?

I doubt it.

When Pawlenty points out that Bachmann has only been able to demonstrate her commitment to the principles they both share by serving in Congress, what he is in effect saying is Bachmann has already demonstrated she can take his principles -- that is, conservative principles -- to Washington, D.C., and not abandon them.

That, of course, is exactly what Republican caucus and primary voters want the next president to do. They want someone they can trust to take their beliefs and values to Washington and stand up to David Gregory and Nancy Pelosi -- as well as to the Republican congressional leadership.

Bachmann is currently fourth in the RealClearPolitics average of national polls -- behind Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. But Perry and Palin have yet to join the race, and perhaps never will. The door is closing fast.

In the RealClearPolitics average of Iowa polls, Romney is at 21.7 percent, just ahead of Bachmann, who is at 19.3 percent. But Bachmann has the momentum -- and was leading Romney in the most recent Iowa poll, 25 percent to 21 percent.

What ought to worry the Obama campaign is that Bachmann, a former Democrat, may have something another former Democrat, Ronald Reagan, had before her: a powerful ability as an outspoken conservative to pull in precisely the type of swing voters who decide modern American presidential elections.

These are culturally conservative Americans -- fed up with the way our economy is going -- who live in the northern Midwest.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bachmann; bachmann4obama; bachmann4romney

1 posted on 07/13/2011 9:56:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The woman is on her way and could win, but we have the back stabbing by some conservatives and their Rove friends and the media.


2 posted on 07/13/2011 9:59:59 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Kaslin

Um where is any mention of Cain?


3 posted on 07/13/2011 10:00:45 AM PDT by chilepup
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To: Kaslin

There is a small possibility, after the AMAZING way Bachman has been going after Dear Leader, that the press may actually PREFER a Palin win.

I am holding firm that I believe it will be Palin/Bachman, and they will win in a landslide

I think Obammy may even toss Biden under the bus for hilLIARy to try to beat that all-female ticket.


4 posted on 07/13/2011 10:02:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Kaslin

Bachmann will never head the ticket.It will be Perry or Christie.
Bachmann or Pawlenty have a shot at #2.


5 posted on 07/13/2011 10:06:25 AM PDT by 2007 Crusader (2007 Crusader)
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To: chilepup

Interesting how many of the MSM polls simply ignore Cain. In polls where he is mentioned he’s running ahead of many of the other candidates who get prominent mention.


6 posted on 07/13/2011 10:06:29 AM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Kaslin

So the argument of this article is that Palin could win as long as neither Palin nor Perry enters the race.


7 posted on 07/13/2011 10:09:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 2007 Crusader

Christie is NOT running.


8 posted on 07/13/2011 10:11:07 AM PDT by JaneNC (es.)
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To: 2007 Crusader

Christie is not running, so there is no reason to speculate


9 posted on 07/13/2011 10:14:43 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: 9YearLurker

>>So the argument of this article is that Palin could win as long as neither Palin nor Perry enters the race.<<

Huh? Did you mean BACHMANN could win so long as...?


10 posted on 07/13/2011 10:15:41 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: 2007 Crusader

I think Perry will win the nom, and either Pawlentty or Rubio will be Veep.

Christie won’t run.

Bachmann is peaking too early. She’ll fade, possibly gaffe her way out of the nomination.


11 posted on 07/13/2011 10:21:23 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: freedumb2003
Bachmann can win as long as Palin does not run, then it's a 50 state landslide in the general for the Governor, why because PalinBot Freepers in their underwear said so.

I am such a hater..snark

12 posted on 07/13/2011 10:21:40 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: org.whodat

Not to mention the RINO National Committee! Unless a crisis arrives before the election, they will probably toss us another Bush! See my tag line.


13 posted on 07/13/2011 10:23:00 AM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: pburgh01

I wasn’t opining, just asking for clarification of the post...


14 posted on 07/13/2011 10:25:00 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Tallguy

That’s because they are racist~!

(we have to use that on ANY liberal who says one single bad word about cain)

If it is not Palin/Bachman- my next choice is Bachman/Cain


15 posted on 07/13/2011 10:31:05 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Tallguy

Interesting how many of the MSM polls simply ignore Cain.

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Of the announced candidates he is my preference, followed by Bachmann. I would be willing (today) to support either, but neither is my choice. THAT said, both of them are better than any of our choices in ‘08, IMO.


16 posted on 07/13/2011 10:31:41 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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17 posted on 07/13/2011 10:31:48 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Kaslin
As early as it is, the Republican Party's internal "establishment" primary is almost over. Only two candidates are now competing for that nod: former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman -- who most recently served as Obama's ambassador to China.

Huntsman is going nowhere because he's been nowhere. Mitt is not getting much traction. But I don't see the RINO establishment giving up that easily. There is already talk of Rooty joining the race. If not Rooty, then they will bring out Mitch Daniels, Rick Perry or some other milquetoast whom they think they can more easily control.

If T-Paw finishes third in Iowa, he's done. He may not even make it that far. His only compelling qualification is that he's from a potentially winnable liberal state.

18 posted on 07/13/2011 10:33:18 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: org.whodat

I see, so anyone with any legitimate concern about Bachman is a “Rove friend” or part of the media?

No Conservative Republican can on their disapprove of some aspect of Ms. Bachman or some policy position of hers?

Sounds to me like a recipe to suspend thinking and simply accept the political-celebrity PR put out by the pro-Bachman camp.

For myself, I am neither pro-Bachman or anti-Bachman at this point; but the idea that Conservatives themselves cannot disagree on Bachman unless they are owned by “Rove” or the “Media” is just plain dumb.


19 posted on 07/13/2011 10:34:21 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Vigilanteman

Rudy would draw from Mit. It would probably be good to split the RINO vote between them.


20 posted on 07/13/2011 10:36:01 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Kaslin

“Huntsman trails the field with 2 percent.”

Why is this guy even mentioned? He is a non factor.

“He’s a real Nowhere Man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his Nowhere plans for nobody.”

LENNON, JOHN WINSTON / MCCARTNEY, PAUL JAMES


21 posted on 07/13/2011 10:39:00 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Wuli
No they are in La la land and just agreeing with rove and thus pushing the media agenda to reelect Obummer. It is late, time to get the show on the road and kick ass.
22 posted on 07/13/2011 10:39:34 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: freedumb2003

Yeah, sorry, I did mean Bachmann—too bad there’s no edit feature here!


23 posted on 07/13/2011 10:51:13 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Vigilanteman

The Establishment is ready to suck it up and back Perry, sold as a rock-ribbed conservative.


24 posted on 07/13/2011 10:53:27 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: org.whodat
She's the ideological flip side of the same experience coin as Obama: lawyer, no meaningful legislative accomplishment, no executive experience.

Bachmann is a gift to the Obamas: his reelection.

25 posted on 07/13/2011 11:06:05 AM PDT by newzjunkey (No affirmative action GOP candidates in 2012.)
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To: org.whodat

“No they are in La la land and just agreeing with rove and thus pushing the media agenda”

No; they might just be able to think independently and not feel obliged to follow the herd.

Many who think Bachman might not be “the one” know nothing about what Rove’s position is and do not listen or follow the media. Your idea that everything not rushing to approve of Bachman is part of some conspiracy only puts you in the “tin foil hat” class.

To my mind it makes you more a populist than a Conservative.


26 posted on 07/13/2011 11:06:15 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: newzjunkey
The two front runners, Willard are Bachmann, which one do you wish.
27 posted on 07/13/2011 11:27:09 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Jim from C-Town; 9YearLurker
Rooty only gets in if it is clear the RINO establishment will be backing him over Mitt. I happen to agree with post #24-- they will end up recruiting the establishment RINO who is the least objectionable to conservatives. Probably Perry. Maybe Daniels.

Even if the conservative wing of the party gains the nomination, they will be forced to pick a RINO for VP. Otherwise the RINO establishment will sabotage and ensure BO's re-election. That's how they operate.

Until the enemedia's credibility is totally destroyed, we have to deal with it.

28 posted on 07/13/2011 11:29:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: org.whodat

I’d take Christine O’Donnell, right now, over Bachmann. I like the both of them, and I’m familiar with both bios.

Here’s a Bachmann quiz for you. Less than 12 years ago, in 1999, Bachmann ran for office. What job did she have at the time, what office did she run for, and what was the result?


29 posted on 07/13/2011 11:37:43 AM PDT by truthfreedom (type your name)
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To: 9YearLurker

Perry is 100% Globalist Establishment. No reason why they wouldn’t push him. And they’re pretending he’s tea party, and that pisses me off.


30 posted on 07/13/2011 11:41:33 AM PDT by truthfreedom (type your name)
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To: truthfreedom

Exactly.


31 posted on 07/13/2011 11:58:21 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: truthfreedom

Neither Chrisite or Bachmann can win he republican nomination. One is a leftist and the other is an empty suit and a creation of the establishment who will let the wind out of her sails after she has served their purposes.


32 posted on 07/13/2011 12:00:06 PM PDT by RED SOUTH (Follow me on twitter @redsouth72)
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To: RED SOUTH

Christie isn’t running. Bachmann isn’t a creation of the establishment. She’s Palin #2. Conservatives do like pretty women saying conservative things. I do like Bachmann. But take a close look at her record. It’s not a “Presidential” record.


33 posted on 07/13/2011 12:22:52 PM PDT by truthfreedom (type your name)
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To: Mr. K; Al B.; Lakeshark; Brices Crossroads; Virginia Ridgerunner; The Cajun; gov_bean_ counter
I am holding firm that I believe it will be Palin/Bachman, and they will win in a landslide

You might be right. I used to want that ticket, but now I think I want Palin/West or Palin/McCotter.

US Representative McCotter could help carry Michigan and he's one sharp and smart guy!

Just imagine him or West in a debate with gaffe machine Biden. Imagine either one of those two men on the campaing trail, particularly West!!!

Both West and McCotter are solid and articulate.

What does Bachmann offer to Sarah Palin in terms of attracting voters Sarah won't attract on her own?

The idea is to win.

34 posted on 07/13/2011 1:01:24 PM PDT by onyx (If you enjoy FR, support it! If you support Sarah Palin & want on her Busy Ping List, let me know.)
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To: onyx
Palin/West

You think the libs blew a gasket with Dick Cheney of Bush/Cheney, think what would happen with Alan West of Palin/West.

That's the ticket I hope will happen.
I would be great for the country and also great entertainment :^)

35 posted on 07/13/2011 2:16:05 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Mr. K

Sorry, but Palin or Bachmann as nominee will look a lot like the Sharron Angle / Harry Reid race.
uphill battle, lots of muck, v biased media, and independents who will not flock to our ticket.


36 posted on 07/13/2011 2:47:21 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: WOSG

LOL...

oh- you weren’t joking?


37 posted on 07/13/2011 3:08:11 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: 9YearLurker

>>Yeah, sorry, I did mean Bachmann—too bad there’s no edit feature here!<<

Who needs edit when you have spelling, grammar and content nazis? ;)


38 posted on 07/13/2011 3:24:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kaslin

The PubTEASLibertars should be able , no matter who he, she is, to win the South, the MW except for a state , a NE state or maybe two and the SW. If that adds up to 273, then the choices Pubs make for the team could do it no matter if the estab. person is on the team or not . My guess is, a conserv and an establ. duo will be the team. But, who knows this far out from 2012?


39 posted on 07/13/2011 4:59:37 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: Retired Greyhound

You could also say that Romney is peaking too early.


40 posted on 07/13/2011 10:04:39 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

I hope Romney is peaking too early. In fact, I hope he has peaked, and it’s all downhill from here.


41 posted on 07/14/2011 9:18:24 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Retired Greyhound

Me too!


42 posted on 07/14/2011 1:51:44 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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