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That Never-to-Be State of ‘South California’ (Just Imagine What it Would Look Like Politically)
National Review ^ | 07/13/2011 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 07/13/2011 10:58:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

It will never happen, but if you’re wondering what that proposed state of “South California” would look like, geographically and politically . . .



Those blue counties have about 13 million people, which would make it the country’s fifth most populous state, behind Texas, New York, Florida, and what’s left of California. It would have roughly 20 congressional districts and 22 electoral votes. It would also be heavily Republican.

Again, it will never happen; Congress and the state legislature would have to agree . . . but I wonder how many Republicans will dream of taking 22 electoral votes out of the Democrats’ column in presidential races and into the GOP one.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; south

1 posted on 07/13/2011 10:58:37 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the posters in that site said this which I found interesting :

I used to travel with some frequency to both Californias, north and south. I quickly found that they are two very different places.

The NoCals looked down on the SoCals as a bunch of knuckle-dragging troglodytes, nasty Reaganites.

The SoCals looked down on the NoCals as a bunch of granola eating-birkenstock wearing hippies.

Both were correct (to a certain extent). They are at least as different in character as, say, the United States and Canada.

It makes sense that they become their own states.


2 posted on 07/13/2011 11:00:44 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
...but I wonder how many Republicans will dream of taking 22 electoral votes out of the Democrats’ column in presidential races and into the GOP one.

That would virtually guarantee the others to be Dems Electoral votes. As it is, it can swing in the other direction, at least possibly. ........

3 posted on 07/13/2011 11:01:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: Red Badger
That would virtually guarantee the others to be Dems Electoral votes. As it is, it can swing in the other direction, at least possibly. ........

California hasn't gone GOP since Reagan, or maybe Bush41. LA, SF Bay Area and Marin County outvote the conservative areas.

4 posted on 07/13/2011 11:05:32 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

Never happen.

California needs their tax money too badly.


5 posted on 07/13/2011 11:06:41 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Of course it will never happen. It was already being proposed and widely spoken of when I moved away from the San Diego area over 30 years ago. Here in the Pacific Northwest, the same discussion has been happening for decades about Eastern Washington splitting off from Western Washington for exactly the same reasons. I guess maybe someday all the sane people will be living in Texas, causing Rep Hank Johnson to worry that, like Guam, Texas may tip over and capsize.


6 posted on 07/13/2011 11:06:57 AM PDT by lonevoice (Life is short. Make fun of it.)
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To: CA Conservative

People are fleeing those ares...........


7 posted on 07/13/2011 11:08:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Casey Anthony: "Surprise, surprise."...............)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks good, but can we get a viable shipping port for S Cali?


8 posted on 07/13/2011 11:08:23 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a really good idea but would take a unique set of circumstances for it to happen. It would take a GOP take over of the state govt and a GOP takeover of the federal govt and then it would require that those in power at the state level be willing to allow this to go forward which would certainly doom their own positions at least in the context of California govt at the time of the partitioning. I wonder if such a thing could be accomplished through proposition.


9 posted on 07/13/2011 11:08:33 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

For the country as a whole this is a great idea. The only problem is that I live in the Bay Area, so I would end up in a state that is 80% Democrat.


10 posted on 07/13/2011 11:14:00 AM PDT by arista
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To: Red Badger
As it is, it can swing in the other direction, at least possibly. ........

I think Kalipornia is giving their EC's to whoever wins the national popular vote.

11 posted on 07/13/2011 11:14:56 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: RockinRight

Uhhhh, you know that San Diego used to home port the US Navy’s Pacific Fleet, right? One of the best natural harbors in the world that is perfectly capable of handling several aircraft carriers can certainly work for a shipping port.


12 posted on 07/13/2011 11:17:32 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Once you see that it is all Kabuki Theater, you are free to quit wasting your time on politics.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I live in So Cal...one can only dream


13 posted on 07/13/2011 11:18:38 AM PDT by rainee
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To: SeekAndFind
The last time one state was carved out of another was in the establishment of West Virginia, and it took a Civil War to accomplish that split. The only way a split of California could conceivably happen is if you simultaneously split Arizona to allow the Democratic leaning southern area to form another state. This action would re-enact the antebellum admission to statehood where a slave state and a free state would simultaneously be admitted into the Union. Washington, New York, Florida, Texas, and Illinois would serve as strong potential candidates for liberal-conservative splits.
14 posted on 07/13/2011 11:23:58 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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15 posted on 07/13/2011 11:24:46 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: arista
The only problem is that I live in the Bay Area, so I would end up in a state that is 80% Democrat.

Does a higher percentage number really change the status quo?

16 posted on 07/13/2011 11:25:14 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: rainee

Just read this on another site & had to repost...

“South California already exists - it’s called Arizona”


17 posted on 07/13/2011 11:30:34 AM PDT by rainee
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To: Charles Martel
Does a higher percentage number really change the status quo?

Somewhat. The Dems are still short of a 2/3 majority in the state legislature, meaning the Republicans can block tax increases.

18 posted on 07/13/2011 11:37:07 AM PDT by arista
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To: arista

You can always move down here to South Cal and enjoy more like-minded neighbors and friends.


19 posted on 07/13/2011 11:43:30 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: RockinRight

port issue is simple ... Long Beach moves to adjoining Orange County (which I wish would happen anyway) and takes its port with it.

zig


20 posted on 07/13/2011 11:50:51 AM PDT by zigmeisterxiv
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To: lonevoice
There's still a small movement to create a new state from Northern California and Southern Oregon, called "The State of Jefferson", with Yreka, CA as its capital. Apparently it got really hot and heavy about 70 years ago, but then World War II happened, and it was forgotten.

It got revived again a few years back. In fact, traveling up the I-5 around the high plains near Mt. Shasta, there are signs proclaiming "The State of Jefferson".

21 posted on 07/13/2011 11:52:05 AM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: SeekAndFind

You would have about the safe Left vs. Right effect if you split the state right down the I5 Corridor, with every thing on the West side hard Left, and East side more conservative.


22 posted on 07/13/2011 12:11:13 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: NavyCanDo

If this did happen, all the hollywood and other libs would move a lot of business there for the tax breaks. Then they would start voting liberal and like the locusts they are strip the place bare.


23 posted on 07/13/2011 12:37:30 PM PDT by bigtoona
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d be overjoyed to see this happen.


24 posted on 07/13/2011 12:53:13 PM PDT by newzjunkey (It never will.)
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To: CA Conservative

CA went for Bush41 in 1988. He lost CA in 1992 and it’s been lost to GOP candidates ever since.


25 posted on 07/13/2011 12:54:22 PM PDT by newzjunkey (It never will.)
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To: RockinRight

And then what? Have a bunch of union goons threatening everyone?


26 posted on 07/13/2011 12:58:32 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: SeekAndFind

You could go blue (conservative) all the way to Oregon along the Nevada border, and two counties in.


27 posted on 07/13/2011 1:05:56 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: zigmeisterxiv
port issue is simple ... Long Beach moves to adjoining Orange County (which I wish would happen anyway) and takes its port with it.

But then you get the unions with it. Why not instead acquire Baja California with its new port, Punta Colonet?
(If we're going to have 20 million illegal aliens in the country, Mexico owes at least that much land to the U.S.)

28 posted on 07/13/2011 11:12:39 PM PDT by calcowgirl ("Sapere Aude!" --Immanuel Kant)
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To: SeekAndFind

What? No Ventura county in there? I think they belong.


29 posted on 07/13/2011 11:14:19 PM PDT by Fledermaus (I'm done with political parties. The GOP is useless. Anarchy is perferable to this CRAP!)
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To: arista

Orange County would do a prisoner exchange — you for ten illegal aliens.


30 posted on 07/13/2011 11:27:36 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

South California would a right to work state, with hard prosecution of any coercive labor practices.

It would have a voucher school system and the teacher’s unions decertified and public employee unions would be illegal. A system of reform schools would be established to teach problem kids what they’ll need to know for a life in prison, and they’ll be removed from the regular classrooms to minimize corruption of the kids that actually respect schooling.

It would have no Foodstamps, no Medicaid, no housing assistance. No unfunded mandates from the Feds.

It would require reapplication for state drivers licenses and ID via certified birth certificate, and would require re-registration of voters accepting only that new ID. It would have no vote-by-mail and no early voting.

It would have no income tax, but only a 4% sales tax applied to all goods and services plus a 1% property tax. It would have a balanced budget requirement, allowing a 10% rainy day fund and no borrowing.

It would pass the equivalent of Prop 187 requiring only emergency medical aid to illegal aliens and immediate deportation by the simple expedient of dropping them off in Tijuana.

Birth certificates would be issued showing Tijuana,MX as the birthplace of illegals whose birth could not be delayed long enough to ship them to Tijuana.

Illegal parents with children born prior to the formation of S. Cal would be transported to Tijuana as a family.

The state would buy up the property immediately inside the Federally owned border strip and establish its own three-layer fence system.

Zoning laws would be enforced and “single family residence” would mean exactly that.

In-state tuition to public schools would require birth in in the US plus 5 years residence in S. Cal.

Abortion would be illegal and carry the same penalty as any other child murder.

There would not be gun control. Every person over the age of 18 would be required to own a handgun and be certified at a firing range every five years.

Thorium lifter power plants would be fast-tracked.

Anything I’ve missed ?


31 posted on 07/14/2011 12:20:12 AM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As I see it, this and many other realignments are inevitable given the irreconcilable differences now plainly exposed in the Republic. It is only up to the Powers That Be to determine whether they happen peacefully or violently.


32 posted on 07/15/2011 5:49:44 AM PDT by jboot
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To: calcowgirl

What, San Diego isn’t port enough for ya?


33 posted on 07/15/2011 7:24:37 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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