Skip to comments.Reid: Cantor should not be in debt limit talks
Posted on 07/14/2011 7:41:51 AM PDT by US Navy VetEdited on 07/14/2011 9:13:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Reid says Cantor's conduct during the sensitive White House talks have shown, in Reid's words, "he shouldn't even be at the table." Reid says other congressional leaders are negotiating in good faith as an Aug. 2 deadline approaches for raising the debt limit.
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Beg to differ.
Reid knows Boehner isn’t going to agree to tax increases any more than Cantor is. If that’s what you mean by “fold like a cheap suit”.
Stylistically the two are different, but in substance they are the same
So why is Reid saying this?
Cantor verbally confronted Obama and Obama stormed out. Reid wanted to put his spin on Obama storming out.
I have read on here that Reid doesn’t like Jews. I can believe that, but I would have to include that he doesn’t like conservative Jews. Jews that cowtow to liberalism, even to their own detrimate, are probably ok with Reid. But a conservative Jew who speaks his mind and prompts Obama to storm out?? Oh, Reid can’t abide that.
Other reasons? Reid trying to throw a stinkbomb into the Republican group, trying to portray them as divided between the reasonable and the hotheads, trying to drive a wedge, hoping to advantage his side.
We should NOT be “negotiating” with the Communists...period.
Yes to your strategy, but wait: it’s too soon. The House can vote on related items in the interim, such as the balanced budget amendment; timing is important here so the House appears to be acting at the precise moment to prevent default.
The RATS are holding a losing hand, and they are getting increasingly desperate by the hour.
Bachmann should be in the meetings, after all she ‘controls’
My bill would increase the debt ceiling by $100 billion or some other lame-ass amount with another clause that any further increase in the debt ceiling require 2/3 of both houses of Congress.
The only table Reid should be sitting at is one in the mess hall of a federal prison.
100% dead on!
I think Cantor is keeping Boehner’s spine from collapsing.
Reid had better tend to his own knitting: when the House sends over its bill to cut spending and increase the debt limit concurrently, his caucus will have to choose between default or acquiescence in the glare of public indignation.
You think McCaskill, Nelson, Tester, Sherrod Brown, Manchin and other RATS are going to risk cutting off grandma’s SS check? You think these people have confidence in Obama at the top of the ticket next year in their own Red states? Reid cannot hold the dam on this one.
On the issue of raising taxes, Boehner and Cantor are on the exact same page.
Cantor is not there to keep Boehner from caving. He is there because he is the GOP Majority Leader. He is the GOP Majority Leader because Boehner is fine with him being the ML. Boehner outranks Cantor. The Speaker outranks the ML. Boehner sets the policy, the others are carrying it out along with Boehner.
These are facts, not a fantasy story that your mind invented.
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If by spine collapsing you mean agreeing to raise taxes.
Neither Boehner nor Cantor nor any Republicans will go for that.
They are not going to vote for a tax increase.
Votes aren’t there.
Boehner would not agree to one, with or without Cantor in the room.
The sooner FReepers get it straight that our side isn’t going for tax hikes, the better. All this waste of time and angst...
Since the president started the poker analogy, let it continue:
It looks to me that Cantor just put Obama on tilt. Cantor got Obama flustered enough to admit he hasnt got the cards. The Repbulicans might be ready to scoop a monster pot. Here comes the river, but Zero is drawing dead.
Well, I can hope anyway.
You are on point about Reid’s problem.
However, the GOP has problems in the Congress as well. Michele Bachmann and others in the House are saying they will not under any conditions vote for a hike in the debt ceiling. I believe in the Senate, Rand Paul has said he would try to filibuster any attempt to raise the debt ceiling no matter what was else was in the bill.
This is why I’m not sure where we stand on sending legislation up.
BREAKING: Dayton has folded in Minnesota, will agree to June 30 Republican budget offer.
Given that the entire Minnesota nonsense was orchestrated by Obama, just as the controversy in Wisconsin was, now tell me who is winning the PR war in DC.
The GOP is winning, and keep the phone lines melting in DC
“Reid is an anti-Semite.” Perhaps, but the left has the same problem with all the exceptions to the given that they own the Jews, the blacks and women (the abortion card.) So when Jews like Cantor or even Bibi, blacks like West and Cain, and women like Palin and Bachmann come off the reservation, there’s hell to pay. Palin and now Bachmann are especially vilified because without women, who comprise the majority of voters, the left’s constant use of ‘caring’ and ‘for the children’ are DOA.
No, Goober...YOU shouldn't be there! Cantor is ONLY the majority leader of your house of congress. You are a mere peon now. How does it feel to be little...oh...you've ALWAYS been little. Never mind!
Boehner would not be selling a dollar-to-dollar approach for these many months if he knew he didn’t have the votes in the GOP House caucus, because he will get zero Democratic votes.
Ried does do a fake “umble” very well.
I sadly hate Charles Dickens. We had to read different books over-and-over in advanced English (a foreign language class) in what you would call junior high.
The teacher made us each read two pages aloud in class for weeks. So painful.
I hated it.
-——it’s proof that Cantor should be there——
I will venture to say Cantor is the only one there that fully understands both the problem and the solution. He is the expert
The President knows only what he is told. He has no understanding. He is after all a novice, a neophyte.
Uriah Heep is a fictional character created by Charles Dickens in his novel David Copperfield. The character is notable for his cloying humility, obsequiousness, and insincerity, making frequent references to his own "'umbleness". His name has become synonymous with being a yes man.
Yikes---- wouldn't want to name my band 'Harry Reid' either.
There is a large group - true - led by Michele Bachmann and others, who have said they are against increasing the debt ceiling no matter what else might be in the bill. But as for her being in on the talks... Believe me, I would enjoy that scenario immensely, but neither side, ours or theirs, would invite her in. Now for her part, would she rather be in the talks, or be out on the campaign trail?? Hmmmmmm.....
Shove it up .... ...!
Well Cantor objected to Boehner’s wanting to agree with Obozo’s grand agreement about a week ago. Causing Boehner to back down!
He would have to have Democrat votes, as I understand it, along with the GOP who will go along with it, to counter the fact that a sizable GOP block will not vote for it, period.
I don’t know that no Democrats would vote for it. Stranger, much stranger things have happened. There are still a few blue dogs who want to appear fiscally conservative...never mind if they are fakes. When a congressional seat is on the line in an upcoming election, it matters.
Bottom line, I surmise from what I do know, that Boehner needs votes from both parties in order to pass certain legislation in the House.
If he knows he has those votes - and that’s the WHIP’s job to count them - then he can represent that in the negotiations, regardless of where those votes come from.
It’s not up to you, Dingy.
Boehner would not be advocating the dollar-for-dollar approach for months by ANY reliance on a single Democratic vote.
The most conservative members of the GOP caucus can be whipped into a yes vote, if necessary. They have about 28 votes to spare.
There is no way the Speaker would be out on a limb if he didn’t have the assurance of his own caucus. Otherwise, the GOP should just fold the tent and give Obama his clean debt increase and let him own it.
Apparently, it is Cantor who is keeping the ball-less and spine-less Beohner and other GOP’ers involved, in check. Good for him, at least someone has a set and a spine.
And go to hell, Reid...grab a tissue and shut the hell up. =.=
Friend, you have bought a whole load of it.
That never happened. The media claimed it did, but even then, only to an extent. The media claimed Cantor didn’t want Boehner to enter negotiations for a grand deal. We do not know it that is true or not. Please understand...we do not know if that was ever true.
But the bottom line is that Speaker Boehner is never going to agree to tax hikes. That is his policy. And in the grand deal negotiations, the Speaker ended them over the weekend, saying that Obama wanted him to raise taxes in return for very little coming from his side, and he isn’t going to raise taxes, and so he left those talks.
That is the truth.
You and the rest of us will be so much better off if you once and for all bury the ridiculous notion that Boehner is trying to raise taxes and Cantor is trying to stop him.
Now THAT is us some good news! Let the dim house of cards begin it’s collapse! WOOHOO!
Ping.....to post #117...yew betcha!
Day-um, now I can’t stop thinking about what kind of rock band would name itself “Harry Reid”
You derailed my train of thought
We should all contact Cantor, give him support and tell him to use bozo's words against him. Get tough, boys. Don't allow bozo to insult you. Hold your ground, and don't back down. We The People are with you.
Go to www.marklevinshow.com, and listen his show on 7/13..go to audio and download on this date under audio rewind. Mark, a constitutional lawyer/expert explains a strategy the GOP should use, as well as the facts vs obozo’s lies, and pass this on to every one you know.
We agree that we disagree.
Can some of the reluctant GOP be “whipped” into voting for it? I do not know. You say they can. Until they are, I do not know.
If I am not mistaken, the agreement that passed during the lame duck had to be passed in the house with both democrat and GOP votes. Boehner was for that agreement, even though he did not really like it. Most of us thought it was really bad, and Boehner could not deliver a sizable number of his own caucus even while trying to get them to vote for it.
I realize the new Congress had not been seated and Boehner was not yet Speaker. But my point is he negotiated the agreement and pushed it and tried to get his caucus to vote for it. A sizable number of leftists Democrats refused to vote for the agreement, thereby making it essential that both GOP and Dems vote for it in sufficient numbers, since on both sides you had people refusing to vote for it, for different reasons.
I will wait to see what happens. If such legislation is drafted and voted on, I will watch to see if, as you iron clad predict, not a single Dem votes for it, and enough GOP who are against it will be whipped into yes votes.
Then, we will revisit this disagreement.
Boehner set the policy. No tax increases.
Stylistically the two men are different. On substance they are the same.
Anything else is fantasy, not fact.
The Majority Leader, Cantor, is not in charge of the Speaker.
No more than the Vice President is in charge of the President.
Bush's problem was that he hardly used the veto pen. He could have stopped a lot of this insane spending -- but deep down, he was not bothered by the spending.
Fact: Cantor > Beohner all day long. =.=
So you can’t say for sure that it was not what happened. I don’t trust Boehner to pull this out with out some prodding and pushing from the Tea Party crowd.
I really wish I had your faith in the guy, I don’t.
Suggestion for Mr. Reid: shut your freaking pie-hole about the subject until you actually manage to pass a budget through the Senate.
Cantor is showing spine and standing up for conservatives.
That’s why Reid is trying to get him out of the room.
Fine. Shut down the kabuki negotiations anyway.
We know the positions of everyone and guess what - they president and senator harry reid need to put up their plan or shut up about it.
I hope something can keep Boehner strong. However, I don't have much hope Boehner will stand strong. Somehow, some way, I fear the GOP leadership will cave.
Yes!!! Boehner needs to do this publicly and promise the President a vote on the House floor for WHATEVER the President wants to propose, AND he offers to have the President speak to the GOP caucus.
This would be a much smarter way to put the onus on the President than McConnell's cockamamie idea, but has the same basic motivation: We are seeing the President effectively use bogus negotitations and phony threats to help his re-election campaign. THAT IS ALL HE CARES ABOUT. He doesnt want to cut any spending and will not do anything serious about it.
This idea will totally expose his lack of seriousness. Give him the rope to hang himself.
Meanwhile, the GOP puts a debt ceiling increase with spending cuts up for a vote, through the House, and on to the Senate. Let them deal with it.
Obama invited them all to Camp David this weekend, and I just heard on the radio that Boehner said no to Camp David.
“Its all clear now. Obama took his ball and went home because Cantor is childish. Next thing you now, Reid is going to be telling us that Cantor is thin-skinned and unwilling to be contradicted by others?”
The best one is how the Republicans are too inflexible wont compromise with my-way-or-highway Obama.
If by cave, you mean tax increases, mark it, no, that will not happen.
“So that it doesnt matter so much who wins the election,”
Wow. Illuminating quote from Pelosi!
Many of us think that lack of election consequences is the PROBLEM not the solution.
Why is Obama at the talks?
It is Congress’s job to determine the spending, not the President’s.
He is the one that doesn’t belong at the table.
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