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John Boehner: Keep Mitch McConnell's plan on table
POLITICO ^ | 7/14/11 | SEUNG MIN KIM

Posted on 07/14/2011 12:04:23 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man

Speaker John Boehner on Thursday left the door open to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s last-ditch plan to raise the debt limit.

“I think it’s worth keeping on the table,” Boehner said.

McConnell’s plan would give President Barack Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling three times through 2012, unless Congress stops it with a two-thirds majority vote. Under that plan, Republicans could vote against raising the debt ceiling without risking default.

“What may look like something less of an optimal today, if we’re unable to get to an agreement, might look good a couple of weeks from now,” the Ohio Republican told reporters on Thursday.

When asked whether there are votes in the House for McConnell’s proposal, Boehner said: “I have no idea.”

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Boehner, at that point, joined Cantor at the podium, putting his arm around his No. 2 as reporters laughed.

“Let me just say, we have been in this fight together,” Boehner said. “Any suggestion that the role that Eric has played in these meetings has been anything less than helpful is just wrong. We’re in the foxhole.”

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TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: debtdeal; johnboehner; mitchmcconnell

1 posted on 07/14/2011 12:04:26 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man
I kind of understand the reason for this plan but it is utterly stupid to give up your rights to score political points.

There is a better way to do this. Just say no to raising the debt limit until deep, meaningful, and immediate cuts (no 10-12 year BS) to the budget are proposed and agreed upon.

2 posted on 07/14/2011 12:08:16 PM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: frogjerk
I kind of understand the reason for this plan but it is utterly stupid to give up your rights to score political points.

Granted, but I'm starting to think this plan was more of a threat to Obama ("we're going to stick this ALL on you if you don't play ball") than a policy McConnell really wanted.

3 posted on 07/14/2011 12:10:34 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Do these people have a CLUE about the significance of the 2010 election, and the mood of the country?

If they cave, and the McConnell idea is a cave, a third party-Tea Party- becomes a distinct possibility.


4 posted on 07/14/2011 12:11:10 PM PDT by almcbean
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Hmmm. Sounds like big John needs a burner out on the speaker’s balcony. Nice day for it.


5 posted on 07/14/2011 12:11:14 PM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama can't count.)
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To: frogjerk

no way. Don’t raise the ceiling, Don’t default. Spend within our means.


6 posted on 07/14/2011 12:11:28 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: frogjerk

“There is a better way to do this. Just say no to raising the debt limit “

You should have stopped there


7 posted on 07/14/2011 12:11:54 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Tex-Con-Man

HERE COMES THE CAVE-IN!!!


8 posted on 07/14/2011 12:12:28 PM PDT by LivingNet
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To: Thane_Banquo

I think that is right, seeing as Obama didn’t immediately and publicly say “YES!”

But to win the war here, McConnell needs to say: You had your chance. Offer revoked.

THEY SHOULD NOT LEAVE THIS ON THE TABLE. AT THIS POINT, IF THEY HAVE THE GUTS TO YANK IT, IT WILL HAVE SERVED A USEFUL PURPOSE, BUT THEY CAN’T LET IT DANGLE.

(in my opinion....)


9 posted on 07/14/2011 12:12:50 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Sure, BOehNER, that McConnell plan will just zip right through the House like crap through a goose.
10 posted on 07/14/2011 12:13:08 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

The problem here is that Boehner is not a dyed in the wool conservative, and doesn’t deep-down understand concepts such as capitalism, federalism, constitutional republic, etc. But, I think he generally can go in the right direction, even if its a painful case-by-case basis, with the proper conservectomy or freepadural applied in advance so he doesn’t bump around in the dark.


11 posted on 07/14/2011 12:13:21 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: RexBeach

Schizophrenia comes to mind.


12 posted on 07/14/2011 12:13:22 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-________ Overdrive 2012 - Holy Flippin' Crap!!)
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To: frogjerk

They’re deluded if they think the McConnell plan would win the GOP any points at all. It is a complete, 100% idiotic victory for Barry.

I just want the House to pass something reasonable—a ceiling increase good for 6 months or so and a couple hundred billion single-year cuts to go with it—then let the senate and Obama turn it down and take the heat.


13 posted on 07/14/2011 12:14:03 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: frogjerk

Agreed. Everyone in D.C. seems far too willing to put games of political “gotcha” ahead of their responsibilities under the Constitution.


14 posted on 07/14/2011 12:18:21 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Is that Constitutional?

Then again, Boehner could being seeing obama salivate over the idea and using obama's own tricks against him.

Draw him in and shut him down.

I still don't see how the House can "give" a power to the President.
15 posted on 07/14/2011 12:18:52 PM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Trying to contact Boehner to encourage him
not to give in on the budget, but... his
website is terrible.

Ideas?


16 posted on 07/14/2011 12:19:43 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: LivingNet

Boehner’s motto: Never let a good opportunity to cave go to waste...especially with the weekend coming on.

Let’s hope Cantor holds the line. This is our big chance to freak Obama out. He’s losing it, as any hardcore Malignant Narcissist will, when he doesn’t get his way fast enough. Goose him a few more times, Cantor, and watch him meltdown like a five-year-old having one helluva audacious temper tantrum.


17 posted on 07/14/2011 12:23:05 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: Tex-Con-Man
This is like little Barry's many offers to Iran. The only think that saves the US from itself is Ahmadinejad’s intransigence. The same thing here. The only thing that will save the GOP is Obama’s overweening arrogance that might prevent him from seizing victory.
18 posted on 07/14/2011 12:24:05 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: ConservativeDude

Problem with yanking it, as I see things, is then Obama thinks GOP is bluffing, and he keeps doing his spoiled brat beligerent thing. And on top of that, unfortunately we may end up with no choice but to kick the can down the road until Jan 21, 2013, if you catch my meaning. We may have to lose the battle in order to win the war.


19 posted on 07/14/2011 12:26:33 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Fantasywriter

It’s starting to look like a cop show. Boehner plays good cop, and Cantor plays bad cop.


20 posted on 07/14/2011 12:26:50 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Translation. He has a RINO/RAT coalition to pass it if needed.


21 posted on 07/14/2011 12:28:05 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

The McConnell plan isn’t the best but it will work and even with that Obama gets the short end of the stick because he will HAVE to come up with cuts.


22 posted on 07/14/2011 12:28:41 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Tex-Con-Man

“I think it’s worth keeping on the table,” Boehner said”

I think it’s worth sacking YOU, as Speaker and putting a REAL American in that seat, YOU pissed up!


23 posted on 07/14/2011 12:31:10 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Publius

I hadn’t looked at it that way. I hope that’s the strategy—and that the bad cop gets the last word.


24 posted on 07/14/2011 12:32:27 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: FrankR
My understanding of McConnell's plan is that no matter what Obama submitted, it would ultimately require a congressional vote. It forces Obama to come up with some actual numbers.

My problem with McConnell's plan is it gives cover to any Republicans who are getting wobbly in the knees.

25 posted on 07/14/2011 12:33:51 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man
What I took away from it was, the President would set the ceiling and if congress didn't like it they could vote it down with a 2/3rd's vote. We only have one half of one brance of government. This would give obama the dictatorial powers he has been craving.

Don't let Obama turn into ObeyMe.
26 posted on 07/14/2011 12:36:54 PM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: Thane_Banquo

you may be right.

You see then that there is sort of Zero chance he will “accept” this proposal, right?

(If I were him, I would accept it, and then hope that the House kills it.....why can’t he make that same calculation?)


27 posted on 07/14/2011 12:37:58 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Tex-Con-Man

It proves the repub’s are not serious. Why are they negotiating with the obama, don’t spending bills originate in the house. Pass the bill send it to the senate and go on vacation. Let Ried piss and moan and crap his pants.


28 posted on 07/14/2011 12:43:59 PM PDT by qman
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To: Tex-Con-Man

It proves the repub’s are not serious. Why are they negotiating with the obama, don’t spending bills originate in the house. Pass the bill send it to the senate and go on vacation. Let Ried piss and moan and crap his pants.


29 posted on 07/14/2011 12:44:21 PM PDT by qman
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To: ConservativeDude

I think if the McConnell plan passed, O’Bozo would sign it. The reason I saw they should leave it on the table is, it stays as a threat to Obama (he’d sign it because he would have to, not because he would want to). Additionally, I am not sure will ever get anything out of Obama anyway. So the McConnell plan, where we force him to at least name SOME cuts, would at least be a step in the right direction. Then, come January 21, 2013, we have a GOP President, House, and Senate, and we repeal Obamacare, reform entitlements, fire the bureaucrats, and drastically reduce discretionary spending.


30 posted on 07/14/2011 12:46:10 PM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Why not go ahead and give him the authority to pick the next President?

Why not give him the authority to make the laws by himself?

Why not just go ahead and make him ruler for life?

Why not give him the authority to abolish Congress?

My question would be, why give the sob anything? I despise him ean every son of a bitch that voted for him.

31 posted on 07/14/2011 12:52:39 PM PDT by sport
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To: Tex-Con-Man
McConnell thinks this is a game and he is out to score points, where as the democraps see it as gang warfare and are out to kick you in the balls.
32 posted on 07/14/2011 12:57:25 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: frogjerk

Exactly....that house will never pass it...you have the majority because of the freshman congressmen/women...they are all standing tough against it...rightly so...


33 posted on 07/14/2011 12:57:25 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: Thane_Banquo

I think if the McConnell plan passed”

Ok, no disagreement...but what about the chaos that would ensue the moment that Obama announces that he has accepted the McConnell plan, then McConnell/Reid/Pelosi start whipping votes to make it pass.

Then, you have the Tea Party at war against the GOP and the Dems. Whether it passes at that point (it might well fail) becomes sort of immaterial, because at that point, Obama has won. He has divided the GOP against itself, he, again, looks like the adult because he offered a compromise put forth by the Senate Minority Leader, only to have it killed by the Tea Party.

So...if that happens, he STILL doesn’t have to do anything, he has divided the GOP, his base is satisfied, and he is re-elected. AND the GOP loses the House, because teh Tea Party will punish the GOP mightily.

That’s sort of the danger I see in leaving this on the table. Though I agree that Obama doesn’t want it to pass....but he could bluff and that would be like setting off a nuke in the GOP caucus.

Am I wrong here? What am I missing?


34 posted on 07/14/2011 12:57:40 PM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: FrankR
What I took away from it was, the President would set the ceiling and if congress didn't like it they could vote it down with a 2/3rd's vote.

As I understand McConnell's proposal, Obama's cuts would be approved or rejected in the House on a simple majority basis through the appropriations process. Only a reversal of the debt ceiling increase would require a 2/3rds majority.

35 posted on 07/14/2011 12:58:37 PM PDT by Kennard
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To: Thane_Banquo

I think Obama and Reid want no deal as it pleases the liberal base and will end up in a government shut down Obama and the Democrats will spin as the Republican’s fault. Obama has already said granny won’t get her check and meals for kids will stop. We on the right will get killed by public opinion as the public drinks the cool aide of mass media and Jay Leno jokes. Better to hang the out of control spending and inflation around Obama’s neck to win big in 11/2012.


36 posted on 07/14/2011 1:11:37 PM PDT by RicocheT
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To: Siena Dreaming
"The McConnell plan isn’t the best but it will work and even with that Obama gets the short end of the stick because he will HAVE to come up with cuts."

How real will the cuts be? Obama gets an immediate increase in the debt ceiling and propose cuts that would take place over time. The last time we tried this, tens of billions turned into a few hundred million after Boehner signed off on it.

37 posted on 07/14/2011 2:39:48 PM PDT by Truth29
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