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California Supreme Court rules in fight over plastic shopping bags
Sacramento Bee ^ | 7/14/11 | Denny Walsh

Posted on 07/14/2011 12:43:48 PM PDT by SmithL

Anti-plastic-bag forces got a boost today when the California Supreme Court ruled that an environmental impact report is not necessary before a city or county bans the use of plastic shopping bags.

The decision strikes down rulings by trial and appellate courts in Los Angeles in the legal fight over an ordinance enacted in 2008 by the south coastal city of Manhattan Beach banning "point-of-sale plastic carry-out bags."

Both courts said the city had to prepare an EIR before implementing its ban.

"We disagree," a unanimous Supreme Court stated.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: bags; econazis; eir; granolastate; manhattanbeach; plasticbags; scoc

1 posted on 07/14/2011 12:43:51 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Somebody please flush California.

LLS


2 posted on 07/14/2011 12:44:53 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: SmithL

so now we’ll just go back to cutting down trees to make shopping bags.....good one!


3 posted on 07/14/2011 12:52:22 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SmithL
Anti-plastic-bag forces got a boost today when the California Supreme Court ruled that an environmental impact report is not necessary before a city or county bans the use of plastic shopping bags.

Finally, someone is taking on the serious life threatening issues our country faces!

California, always in the lead....

4 posted on 07/14/2011 12:52:29 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SmithL

Good thing the important issues are being addressed.


5 posted on 07/14/2011 12:52:49 PM PDT by The Iceman Cometh (I'm called a 'teabagger'? Well, get over here liberal and I'll show you what that means.)
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To: SmithL

The liberals are insane... first they bar cutting down trees, then they bar oil drilling, then they bar plastic bags distribution, and NOW they are BACK to forcing us to cut down trees to make shopping bags...next they will arrest all of us who use paper bags due to the ban of plastic bags. Wow, what a bunch of idiots and insane fools.


6 posted on 07/14/2011 12:56:44 PM PDT by bibletruth
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To: SmithL

No plastic bags? Then chop down some trees to make paper bags! Everyone knows that chopping down trees has no effect on the environment.


7 posted on 07/14/2011 12:57:25 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: SmithL

ok.. no plastic bags.

only paper ones.

now, which trees to cut down next...


8 posted on 07/14/2011 12:58:24 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: LibLieSlayer
"Somebody please flush California."
"The only way to fix it is to flush it all away"
9 posted on 07/14/2011 12:59:52 PM PDT by astyanax (Liberalism: Logic's retarded cousin.)
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To: All

studies have shown that canvas bags and shopping carts

have lots of bacteria.

78% of carts have fecal matter, from babies.


10 posted on 07/14/2011 1:01:34 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

No no no. You’ve got to have a reuseable bag made from hemp fibers.

Nevermind that it’ll get all nasty over time, harboring bacteria and other kinds of protein units.

Just try washing it with phosphate free soap. Lotsa luck.


11 posted on 07/14/2011 1:02:31 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Gov. Perry is a solid conservative... as long as it's campaign season.)
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To: SmithL
"Substantial evidence and common sense support the city's determination that its ordinance would have no significant environmental effect."

That just might become a precedent that the left comes to regret.

12 posted on 07/14/2011 1:02:47 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (From her lips to the voters' ears: Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "We own the economy" June 15, 2011)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Busy bodies. I reuse my plastic grocery bags for trash bags and dog poop bags. First my toilet, then my light bulbs and my right to breed my dog, soon my trash bags. They are never ending busy bodies.


13 posted on 07/14/2011 1:05:09 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: SmithL

The same jerks who are tying to ban plastic are the ones who forced plastic onto us in the first place. Paper bags were bad, bad, bad, plastic bags were good, good, good. Now plastic is bad. Unintended consequences, happens every time liberals push their silly a**ed green agendas.


14 posted on 07/14/2011 1:06:02 PM PDT by calex59
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To: astyanax

But be sure to not use a low flow toilet. It will take 3 or 5 flushes and we want to flush them quickly.


15 posted on 07/14/2011 1:06:32 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: SmithL

So do they have glass bottles for the milk? Oh, I forgot, cows aren’t allowed in California any more. If I lived in California I would buy my groceries in one of the states to the east. Take some styrofoam coolers along and buy enough to last at least two weeks - make it a family trip.


16 posted on 07/14/2011 1:13:58 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: EGPWS
"Faces" or "feces"?

Without those hand sized plastic bags they will have tons of it just rolling around the sidewalks and streets in weeks.

The state already had a problem with the idea of spraying tertiary sewage on the highway medians ~ made it smell like a latrine everywhere.

This will not help.

17 posted on 07/14/2011 1:15:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SmithL

A couple of years ago when traveling on AMTRAK I saw huge amounts of plastic shopping bags hung up in trees mostly in eastern Montana and North Dakota where it’s pretty windy most of the time. These are the bags those environmental weenies wanted us to use instead of cutting down trees for paper bags. Now CA wants to go back to cutting down trees for paper bags. Brilliant.


18 posted on 07/14/2011 1:18:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: Professional Engineer

We add our own phosphate to our soaps at the Liberty household....


19 posted on 07/14/2011 1:23:43 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The plastic shopping bags used at our local Alberstons are just crap..they rip and don’t hold anything. Worse yet are the baggers..they just toss things in your shopping cart...bu the time you get to your car you need to re bag everything. I would rather have the paper bags, I use them and re use them for all sorts of things. I hate hauling those cloth bags..by the time you have enough of them for what you are shopping for you are nearly out of room for the groceries..


20 posted on 07/14/2011 1:27:37 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: SmithL

first they banned paper in favor of plastic.

now they ban plastic in favor of paper.

orwell is laughing.


21 posted on 07/14/2011 1:29:04 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Professional Engineer

I have reusable bags and I hate them. I would much rather have paper,..and not the half size and thin ones now in use..between those and the thin good for nothing plastic ones.....I think it is time to have groceries delivered..IN box!


22 posted on 07/14/2011 1:30:28 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: brytlea

We use plastic grocery bags for kitchen trash. I got one of those trash cans where the handles of the bags hook over to keep it in place. It’s just large enough to hold one day’s worth of trash, and it’s someone’s chore to take it out every day (we all take turns).
If we didn’t use these thin plastic bags, we’d have to buy garbage bags from the store, and those bags pride themselves on being thick, strong and Hefty (i.e. 1000 times less biodegradable than plastic grocery bags). Liberal ideas always seem to make things worse.


23 posted on 07/14/2011 1:30:44 PM PDT by mom3boys
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To: brytlea

ditto


24 posted on 07/14/2011 1:31:05 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: calex59

Yes, and they are also the same jerks that want “green energy,” but when faced with implementation, they always find an excuse ( or a frog or an owl) as a reason why this or that particular project isn’t any good. “Let’s put in windmills, but windmills kill birds, so they are out.” “Let’s put in a solar energy plant in the California desert. no, not good, there’s some rodent habitat that will be impaired.” The truth if the matter is that the so-called environmentalists don’t want any solutions, they just want to try and control us back to the days when horse manure was a major problem. Go figure!


25 posted on 07/14/2011 1:34:22 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: mom3boys

Perhaps the truth is that the plastic bag makers are spearheading this law. I think that most of the time, if you are able to drill down, someone is making $$$ at the bottom of these laws. There is usually corruption behind it.


26 posted on 07/14/2011 1:36:36 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: sten

plenty of trees here in the great northwet, and lots
of loggers who would appreciate the work.

packwood, wa had two mills, shut down in the 90’s and derelict due to Clinton era moonbattery about roads into the national forests and the supposedly threatened owl.


27 posted on 07/14/2011 1:54:35 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: SmithL

While I agree with all of the above sentiments about the nutcases in California and I do not support this law, I do though agree with Court on this decision as to what I know of this case.

Representatives of the people do not need the support of scientists or any other specialists in order to make law. The Court did the right thing in this case by striking down a ruling that seemed to claim that the only way such a law could be made is if a scientific study was first done that agreed with their position.

It reminds me of the other Supreme Court case whereas Scalia decided that there was not enough evidence of violence in video games being harmful to children. What right does Scalia have to cast any opinion on the scientific merits of the law?? Is Scalia a scientist?

It is not up to judges to decide whether a law is a good law or a bad law but just to rule on the legality within the Constitution framework involved (State and Federal). It is up to the people to decide whether or not the laws made by our representatives are either good laws or bad laws and then either re-elect or vote them out and demand the law changed.


28 posted on 07/14/2011 2:00:35 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Professional Engineer

Just one more Burma Shave sign on the highway to a Green, Marxist Utopia.

Next step will be banning grocery store parking lots as a sop to Marxist owned Wheelbarrow selling, urban/rooftop/macro-idiot, gardner supply shops.


29 posted on 07/14/2011 2:07:57 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

And go buy bags to pick up doggy poop.


30 posted on 07/14/2011 2:18:18 PM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Professional Engineer
What's to stop someone from lining their cloth bag with plastic? Buy some tall kitchen can bags and place them inside your hemp or canvas bag, then stand there and make sure the bagger puts the stuff in correctly. Problem solved.

Although I resent the state telling us how we can bag our groceries, I do hate those little plastic grocery bags. They break, they leak, they contain almost nothing. The apples and canned goods escape in the trunk and roll all over the place. You can't carry more than a few pounds per hand without killing your fingers. Good riddance to them.

31 posted on 07/14/2011 2:22:50 PM PDT by giotto
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To: astyanax

Amen.

LLS


32 posted on 07/14/2011 2:30:54 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH"! I choose LIBERTY and PALIN!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
so now we’ll just go back to cutting down trees to make shopping bags.....good one!

Indeed it is. California's forests are overstocked and badly in need of economic justifications for thinning.

33 posted on 07/14/2011 2:37:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Blood of Tyrants; SmithL

***No plastic bags? Then chop down some trees to make paper bags! Everyone knows that chopping down trees has no effect on the environment.***

But the reason everyone went to plastic bags is because the enviros were having fits over trees being cut down to make grocery bags!

Now the enviros are having fits over plastic bags!


34 posted on 07/14/2011 3:24:10 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: SmithL

We should all marvel at this moment. The state found an instance where an EIR is NOT required? Behold for its like shall not be seen again!


35 posted on 07/14/2011 7:09:11 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: bibletruth

Actually they want you to buy reusable burlap totes that have been found to be breeding grounds for all manner of bacteria.


36 posted on 07/14/2011 7:10:58 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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