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Libya War Ends [Debka]
DebkaFile ^ | July 14, 2011 | DEBKA

Posted on 07/14/2011 1:32:46 PM PDT by monkeyshine

Bar the shouting, the war in Libya virtually ended Thursday morning, July 14, when US President Barack Obama called Russian President Dmitry Medvedev to hand Moscow the lead role in negotiations with Muammar Qaddafi for ending the conflict - provided only that the Libyan ruler steps down in favor of a transitional administration.

The US president thus accepted the Russian-Libyan formula for ending the war over the heads of the NATO chiefs who rejected it when they met Russian leaders at the Black Sea resort of Sochi last week...

...By the time Obama had decided to call Medvedev, individual governments which had spearheaded the anti-Qaddafi campaign were quietly melting away. From Saturday, July 9, debkafile's military sources report, NATO discontinued its air strikes against Libyan pro-government targets in Tripoli and other places. The halt though unannounced was nonetheless an admission that 15,000 flight missions and 6,000 bombardments of Qaddafi targets had failed to achieve their object: Col. Qaddafi, without deploying a single fighter jet, firing an anti-air missile or activating terrorist cells in Europe, had waited for NATO to run out of steam and was still in power.

In an overview of the war to British air force commanders Wednesday, July 13, British Defense Secretary Liam Fox remarked that while no one knows when it will end, British ground corps, naval and air forces do not have the means to continue the war....

(Excerpt) Read more at debka.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: libya; libyarussia; nato; qaddafi; russia; russialibya
That last sentence I independently verified - Financial Times of London on June 27 reported that British Air Chief Marshal Sir Simon Bryant warned that prolonged intervention in Libya could harm UK's defense capabilities. I have strong feelings about the implications of that comment, e.g. if NATO partners cannot sustain an air attack due to the gutting of the EU defense industry what good is NATO?

I know some here don't trust the source which is why I searched for backup. Anyway let's see what happens in the next few days. US media has a lot on their plate, important stuff like what Juror number 7 has to say...

1 posted on 07/14/2011 1:32:50 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

So the US spent all these resources and then handed Russia Libya? Is that about right? And against the NATO commander’s advice?

Brilliant Obama, brilliant. Obama has absolutely no regard for the United States - none. Not to mention western civilization.


2 posted on 07/14/2011 1:41:59 PM PDT by Obadiah (Obama: "Let them eat peas!")
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To: monkeyshine

Another fustercluck. SOP nowadays.


3 posted on 07/14/2011 1:42:34 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: monkeyshine
what good is NATO?

Answer? It isn't any good, at least for Americans. And that is important to know. One consequence of the debt limit farce should be a realization that the days of unlimited Federal spending are over. This has implications at home and abroad. For example, the United States can no longer afford its current global defense posture. Being forward deployed everywhere in the world is no longer possible. And massive cutbacks in our position in Europe sounds like a good place to start to me.

4 posted on 07/14/2011 1:45:25 PM PDT by trek
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To: Obadiah

Besides saving millions in spent ammunition and wear and tear exactly what did Obama get out of sticking his nose in this mess?

Of course we will not hear any complaints out of the Media, no shouts od Obama’s war, it will quietly die down like it never happened. Teflon Obama rides again.


5 posted on 07/14/2011 1:46:31 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: trek

I agree for the most part. It is in our interests to maintain some forward offensive or second-strike capabilities, but the defense of Europe should be Europe’s primary obligation not ours.


6 posted on 07/14/2011 1:49:29 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: Obadiah

“Obama has absolutely no regard for the United States - none. Not to mention western civilization.”

Obama has the Greatest regard for the US and Western Civilization. It Nauseates and Terrifies him, and That’s why he keeps dragging it Into and through the mud.


7 posted on 07/14/2011 1:56:52 PM PDT by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: monkeyshine
NATO partners cannot sustain an air attack due to the gutting of the EU defense industry what good is NATO?

The UK has reduced it supply of land attack curise missiles to single digits. The US Navy's supply of Maverick missiles is less than 100. They have had to upgrade the software on the FA-18s to allow them to use Vietnam era Zuni rockets that they dug out of storage. Without massive weapons procurements we are virtually unarmed. And there is no money to buy new weapons.
8 posted on 07/14/2011 1:57:18 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: monkeyshine

Some forward deployments certainly make sense, e.g., the Persian Gulf and Australasia just to name two.


9 posted on 07/14/2011 1:57:57 PM PDT by trek
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To: GonzoGOP

It’s the 30s all over again, the West will retreat, and another Hitler will rise on the scene.


10 posted on 07/14/2011 1:59:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: monkeyshine

Obama’s incompetent planning FAILED, so Obama surrenders and turns what’s left over to Russia.


11 posted on 07/14/2011 1:59:58 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: monkeyshine

DEBKA is usually wrong on most things. However, Obama has allowed Russia to come in and take the lead on negotiations.


12 posted on 07/14/2011 2:01:18 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: monkeyshine


13 posted on 07/14/2011 2:15:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: dfwgator
It’s the 30s all over again, the West will retreat, and another Hitler will rise on the scene.

It is actually a lot worse. It was during the 30s that we built the Ranger, Yorktown and Wasp class carriers, North Carolina class Battleships as well as the Northampton, Portland, New Orleans and Brooklyn class cruisers. Those were the ships that formed the basis of the US fleet in the critical opening years of WWII. Today there is nothing new on the way, and everything we have is being used up or just worn out.
14 posted on 07/14/2011 2:17:58 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Velveeta; penelopesire

ping


15 posted on 07/14/2011 2:23:24 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray. For all the latest, check out: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/)
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To: GonzoGOP

Funny, isn’t that what happened to the USSR. Methinks we’ve been duped.


16 posted on 07/14/2011 2:28:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: monkeyshine

Obama thrives on the doublecross


17 posted on 07/14/2011 3:33:42 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: monkeyshine
An echo from the distant past. In 1935 as Italy made it clear that it would use armed force against Ethiopia irrespective of any League acts including military ones the British naval staff prepared a detailed finding for the First Lord to provide to the Cabinet and PM. The conclusions were that the Royal Navy could alone defeat Italian sea and air forces and stop any Italian maritime re-enforcement of their East African forces. However, the Navy Staff continued such an operation would so deplete and diminish the capabilities of the RN that British naval forces would be unable to carry out significant missions for several years if a war occurred. This was effectively saying that the government would be rolling the dice with national survival if it supported League actions with armed force. This seems to be what the Defense Staff is saying to the Cameron government only this time a month or so of air operations has consumed so much of the RAF”’s stores and inflicted so much wear and tare on equipment that it approcpaching a stand down condition. This shows how hollow and weak the most operationally oriented military outside the US in NATO is. The events of 1935 led to significant increases in the navy budget that led to the RN being much more ready when war did come. Unfortunately that will not be the case today and the RAF is likely to see more cuts in the future due to the UK budget crisis.
18 posted on 07/14/2011 3:41:29 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: GonzoGOP

That’s some scary information. I am consoled only by Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto’s quote “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.” Let’s make sure, even if they disarm the army, that they won’t disarm us.


19 posted on 07/14/2011 5:56:55 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

Yet another profile in courage.


20 posted on 07/14/2011 7:04:22 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Pelosi: Obamacare indulgences for sale.)
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To: AliVeritas

bookmarking for a later read. Thanks for the ping.

Just quickly reading through it, it sounds like Obama has basically done this all for Russia. Obama is looking more and more like a communist mole every single day.


21 posted on 07/15/2011 7:36:11 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: penelopesire
>>>>>>Just quickly reading through it, it sounds like Obama has basically done this all for Russia. Obama is looking more and more like a communist mole every single day<<<<<<

You are on the wrong trail here. Ruskies know who Obummer works for.He is not working for them. Armed with that knowledge, Ruskies and Chicoms setup a trap for NATO in Libya.

Obummer's boss was eager to loot Libya and ordered Obummer to jump in, right into the trap.

One does not have to be Patton to see histrical conotation of "The Fourth Punic War".

As I said before, Clinton's attack on Serbia resulted in resurection of Russia and birth of BRIC. Attack on Libya will have dire consequences also.

Neocon dream of New American century is gone.

Look up the map - The Silk road is gone. Central Asia can not be ruled by U.S. any more. Almost all of Africa is gone. And Chicoms are in.

NATO has shown what they can do and what can not do - marauders who murder defenseless civilians from 15,000 ft but can not wage war against two-bit adversary. Imagine how they would fare against Russsia or Chicoms.

If true that Obbummer called Medvedev, it is perhaps the rare moment of sanity during his presidency and perhaps the only thing he has done in American iterest.

22 posted on 07/15/2011 8:46:54 AM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: DTA

Obama is a communist/marxist. Everything he does must be viewed through those lenses imho. Not sure I follow what you are saying. So who is Obama’s boss?


23 posted on 07/15/2011 8:54:49 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: penelopesire; Candor7
>>>>>>Obama is a communist/marxist. Everything he does must be viewed through those lenses imho. Not sure I follow what you are saying. So who is Obama’s boss?<<<<<<

Please read carefully Candor7 post first: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2749325/posts?page=15#15

That's Obummer's role. Now, comes your question - who is his boss?

We know who is not - The people of The Unites States. Obummer's disregard for the Constitution shows it clearly.

Who is, then?

Saudis? - red herring. Saudi bandits are only water carriers for the interests of certain cartel. They are expendable. However, from this pic can be seen that Saudi king is of higher rank than Obummer. Please note the little POS grinning while Obummer humiliates The United States of America - do you know who he is? He is important to Libya crime story. Can you see Canuck Harper astounded face expression?

You ask - What's the name of the cartel ? You'll have to dig it up yourself.

Hint#1: Obummer' handling of Gulf of Mexico oil spill (remember this one, it is already forgotten by MSM). Find out who is the principal owner. You'll be one step closer.

Hint#2: whose track record shows financial support to Comm unists,Nazis and Islamofascists as long as they fulfill their given task?

24 posted on 07/16/2011 11:59:28 AM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: penelopesire
Hint #3 Do you know who is this person?

Too bad if you don't. She is Obummer's basketball buddy and his National security adviser. She brought him an order from the boss to attack Libya, an American ally.

Who is the boss, you still may ask.

Well, her supervisor is this guy.

Find who he works for and you'll find our who is Obummer's boss.

As always, when in doubt, follow the money.

25 posted on 07/16/2011 12:26:27 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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To: DTA

Yes it is Soros and a cartel of Arab Islamofascists. The same ones who instigated the electronic bank run of the fed on Sept 18th, 2007.

The list of those who did so would reveal clearly who pulls the Obama strings.


26 posted on 07/16/2011 12:27:28 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: DTA

Of course...I already know about Soros et al. They are all ‘one world’ communist/marxists. No doubt that Soros pulls alot (if not all) of Obama’s strings with his money. He is one evil man. I have a whole file on him..lol.Are you hinting that there is someone that Soros answers to though? That would be a new one on me.


27 posted on 07/17/2011 7:15:17 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks monkeyshine.
[Zero] thus accepted the Russian-Libyan formula for ending the war over the heads of the NATO chiefs who rejected it when they met Russian leaders at the Black Sea resort of Sochi last week...
Ping with the usual Debka disclaimer.


28 posted on 07/17/2011 10:30:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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