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McConnell: I Don't Know Constitution Any Better Than Obama Does
Reason ^ | July 12, 2011 | Tim Cavanaugh

Posted on 07/14/2011 7:53:09 PM PDT by yup2394871293

Mitch McConnell declares his independence from the U.S. Constitution. Days after the Obama Administration’s attempt to seize control of the U.S. budget was roundly shown to be illegal, Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Kentucky) and Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) have stepped up to show that Republicans want to tear up the Constitution too. 

Instead of letting the president usurp Congress’ budget-making authority, McConnell is now offering to give it up freely. AP’s David Espo writes that under McConnell’s plan…

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ceiling; constitution; debt; debtdeal; debtdealcavein; mcconnell
This is two days old and yet I can't help feeling it will be dead-on accurate within a matter of months if the GOP folds as expected. If the measure fails or is nullified, the Republican leadership will immediately approve a giant debt ceiling increase without any conditions and look even stupider than they did in proposing this POS.
1 posted on 07/14/2011 7:53:15 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293
-- If the measure fails or is nullified, the Republican leadership will immediately approve a giant debt ceiling increase without any conditions and look even stupider than they did in proposing this POS. --

They'll just blame the Courts for not letting Congress abdicate its duty.

Congress is the cause of the financial disaster, and now Congress is looking for a scapegoat.

2 posted on 07/14/2011 7:56:42 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: yup2394871293
The GOP will fold, and when it does, we'll all bleat like sheep and passively walk to slaughter - all the while expecting the voting booth to save us.
3 posted on 07/14/2011 7:57:46 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: yup2394871293

A good Reason that...

...Legislatures (state and federal) can be part-time jobs with 1/10th pay, NO retirement, NO perks, NO insurance. Get a job. Pay for your own crap, you POS politicians.

“...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness...”

ALTER it.

It’s the socialism, stupid. DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.


4 posted on 07/14/2011 7:58:53 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: yup2394871293

McKey needs to go sit in the back of the bus.


5 posted on 07/14/2011 7:59:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: yup2394871293
The politics of false crisis again assails America.

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6 posted on 07/14/2011 7:59:11 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: yup2394871293

Finally, an honest statement which clearly explains his reasoning.


7 posted on 07/14/2011 8:02:15 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: yup2394871293

Nonsense. The ‘mcConnell bill’ will be a simple authorization of more debt.

Nothing illegal or unconstitutional in that.

The president is not required to use all of it (though he will) and it has never been mandatory for him to yse all of it.


8 posted on 07/14/2011 8:04:38 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: yup2394871293
The Fix is definitely in.

Boehner just said on Greta's show that there is no SS trust fund. It all comes out of the general fund. He said that treasury secretary gets to decide whether to pay SS recipients or not.

We did not elect the Treasury secretary. Congress is giving away their responsibilities.

Congress has control of the purse strings. He is handing over the purse strings to the executive branch. He could easily call the House back into session and pass bills to continue SS, military, debt payments. He thinks the American people are stupid.

We need another march on Washington before it is too late.

9 posted on 07/14/2011 8:05:38 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: yup2394871293
The Fix is definitely in.

Boehner just said on Greta's show that there is no SS trust fund. It all comes out of the general fund. He said that treasury secretary gets to decide whether to pay SS recipients or not.

We did not elect the Treasury secretary. Congress is giving away their responsibilities.

Congress has control of the purse strings. He is handing over the purse strings to the executive branch. He could easily call the House back into session and pass bills to continue SS, military, debt payments. He thinks the American people are stupid.

We need another march on Washington before it is too late.

10 posted on 07/14/2011 8:05:51 PM PDT by FR_addict
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To: KittenClaws

That comment hits the nail square on the head.


11 posted on 07/14/2011 8:06:08 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Cboldt

Anyone who thinks they’ve figured out the blame-game at this point doesn’t understand the only reason for putting real conservatives in office: to shrink the government. They’ve failed.


12 posted on 07/14/2011 8:09:59 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Wissa
That comment hits the nail square on the head.

Yes. And thank you.

13 posted on 07/14/2011 8:12:08 PM PDT by KittenClaws (A closed mouth gathers no foot.)
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To: mrsmith
-- The `mcConnell bill' will be a simple authorization of more debt. --

It's not that simple. It looks like a debt increase occurring over the objection of a majority of Congress; and if a majority of Congress votes against more borrowing, then Congress can't be found to have exercised its constitutional power to borrow money.

14 posted on 07/14/2011 8:12:21 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: yup2394871293
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15 posted on 07/14/2011 8:13:56 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: FR_addict
I didn't get to watch..But reading your post; I'm more than a little concerned that this is the opening salvo to going after our 401K's. Afterall, what better to raid to "save Social Security!!"?

Anyone else curious as to why the politicians went straight at Social Security? There are plenty of other third rails, this one should have been a back pocket "plan b" as politics goes; not a played up front so far out from the election.

16 posted on 07/14/2011 8:14:19 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: FR_addict
The trick with Social Security happened under Lyndon Baines Johnson.

Certainly you remember that.

17 posted on 07/14/2011 8:14:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: yup2394871293
Gee. A RINO proposes a compromise and all the DINO’s jump on board. Wow. We never saw that one before. /sarc.
18 posted on 07/14/2011 8:15:49 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: mrsmith
Nonsense. The ‘mcConnell bill’ will be a simple authorization of more debt. Nothing illegal or unconstitutional in that.

That's okay as far as the debt limit goes, but as I understand it, the deal also includes handing Obama the sole power to choose the deficit reduction items, limited only by Congress needing a 2/3 majority to override his choices.

If Obama eliminates something like business tax deductions as his deficit reduction items, he'll be able to do it without a simple majority in either house of Congress being able to stop him.

That certainly doesn't seem like it fits with the Constitution.

19 posted on 07/14/2011 8:17:04 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Cboldt

“It looks like “

But it won’t be. Reid and Schumer are still writing it.

Regardless of what else is in it, the authorization to raise the debt ceiling will be severable from the rest. Perfectly legal. Done all the time (Obamacare was a rare mistake).


20 posted on 07/14/2011 8:20:14 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: yup2394871293

21 posted on 07/14/2011 8:21:22 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: Wissa

Severability.

They won’t forget it this time.


22 posted on 07/14/2011 8:21:44 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
Severability. They won’t forget it this time.

I have no idea how that relates to my point. Can you expand on what you mean?

23 posted on 07/14/2011 8:25:05 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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24 posted on 07/14/2011 8:30:44 PM PDT by RedMDer (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: Wissa

“Severability refers to whether a particular section of a law that has been ruled unlawful can be individually stricken or if the entire law must be scrapped. “

The bill will be written so the debt ceiling hike is clearly severable, or more likely it will explicitly state the parts of the bill are severable- that’s what congress usually does.


25 posted on 07/14/2011 8:31:46 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
-- Regardless of what else is in it, the authorization to raise the debt ceiling will be severable from the rest. Perfectly legal. --

What is the precedent for Congress writing a law that gives a minority of congress the power to agree to a debt increase?

If I understand the proposal, it does not provide for or agree to a debt increase, as passed. A debt increase depends on 1) a request from the president, 2) that a majority of Congress can reject [so far, so good], followed by 3) the president vetoing the rejection, and 4) a majority of the Congress being unable to override the veto.

How does that NOT take the power to borrow, away from a majority of Congress?

26 posted on 07/14/2011 8:32:51 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: yup2394871293
They all swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution but it is just a quaint old ceremony to them.

Their word is worthless, they have no honor!

27 posted on 07/14/2011 8:34:32 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Cboldt

That’s unconstitutional.

But the bill will include language like this:
“If any particular provision of this Act, or the application thereof to any person or circumstance, is held invalid, the remainder of the Act and the application of such provision to other persons or circumstances shall not be affected thereby.”
Or, it will be written in a way that makes it clear to the courts that it’s parts are severable.

So the debt limit authorization will stand irregardless.


28 posted on 07/14/2011 8:37:31 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
“Severability refers to whether a particular section of a law that has been ruled unlawful can be individually stricken or if the entire law must be scrapped. “ The bill will be written so the debt ceiling hike is clearly severable, or more likely it will explicitly state the parts of the bill are severable- that’s what congress usually does.

You're thinking that the creation of the supermajority requirement for Congress to have any say in the deficit reduction items will be declared unconstitutional?

29 posted on 07/14/2011 8:47:02 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Dick Bachert

30 posted on 07/14/2011 8:51:19 PM PDT by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: yup2394871293
The supermajority requirement here is nothing special--it's just the votes they need to override a veto. The plan seems to delegate some authority to the president here (probably constitutional according to the Supreme Court, under the lax standards that started with the New Deal).

If Congress doesn't like the president's call it can legislate to override that, subject to some fast track procedures, presumably, but the president would veto that, hence the requirement for 2/3 in both houses--to override the inevitable veto.

31 posted on 07/14/2011 8:54:51 PM PDT by kalt
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To: Wissa

Seems so to me.

This is a congressional authorization to raise the debt ceiling. Don’t be distracted by the rest of it, it doesn’t matter the courts will probably strike parts of it down but the debt authorizarion will still stand.

And that’s the whole point of the bill.
The rest is Kabuki.


32 posted on 07/14/2011 8:58:49 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: yup2394871293

I don’t know much

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KTFoMJi3uE&feature=player_detailpage


33 posted on 07/14/2011 8:59:00 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: yup2394871293

Can somebody shuffle that doddering old RINO off stage?


34 posted on 07/14/2011 8:59:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: mrsmith
And that’s the whole point of the bill. The rest is Kabuki.

So we'll agree to the increase in the debt limit in exchange for the deficit reductions. We'll actually wind up with the debt increase with no deficit reductions (best case?), or the debt increase along with possibly increased taxes through eliminating deductions (I'm always hearing the Dems refer to that as spending cuts).

Either way, the voters throw the Republicans out in the next election for their stupidity.

Such a deal.

35 posted on 07/14/2011 9:06:50 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: yup2394871293

I think the Chinese know the Constitution better than McConnell does.


36 posted on 07/14/2011 9:11:54 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Wissa

“Either way, the voters throw the Republicans out in the next election for their stupidity.”

Ironically McConnell came up with this as a way to protect Republicans by making Obama propose cuts.

What a laugh: Republicans who support this will be primaried and weakened in the election. And Obama can take the debt hike and ignore the rest.


37 posted on 07/14/2011 9:17:39 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
And Obama can take the debt hike and ignore the rest.

Having seen what the Supreme Court did with the Campaign Finance Reform bill decision, I wouldn't count on them to declare it unconstituional. I think Obama will have an unprecedented opportunity to write his own spending/taxing law, limited only by a 2/3 override requirement in both houses. I'm guessing he won't ignore the gift he'd have been given.

Republicans who support this will be primaried and weakened in the election.

I don't think it will be only those who support the bill voted out of office. I think a lot of people will give up on the whole party in disgust.

38 posted on 07/14/2011 9:29:44 PM PDT by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: yup2394871293

So they can hand over power to Obama and then, when we get a Conservative President, the RINOS can capitulate in “fairness” to the Dems like they did with the Trent Lott “shared” power and that same power will be withdrawn and given to whichever body has the most Democrats. They don’t seem to know how to use power even when people manage to work very hard to give it to them. What is to be done? People vote, courts overrule them, if they win in the courts, then there is a recall or some “stunt”, if that fails they steal elections. They NEVER quite, they never give up, they never say “oops” our guy was wrong, our solution failed. Meanwhile, the other side falls all over themselves to criticze their own party, like Gingrich did to Ryan or like McCain did to his own supporters. I guess it really is the Evil party vs. the Stupid party.


39 posted on 07/14/2011 9:43:42 PM PDT by Anima Mundi (share the pain = more meaningful contribution = fair share = from each according to ability = MARX)
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To: yup2394871293

Mitch McConnell is a traitor for even proposing such an outrageous scam. DON’T raise the debt ceiling, THERE IS MORE THEN ENOUGH TAX REVENUE to fund the essencal functions of the Federal Government.

If Obama doesn’t want to fund them that is his choice, and his problem!

Republican GO HOME!!!

There is nothing you can do except allow the Democrats to cheat, scare, and scam you into helping them sell out more of our freedoms and future. If you cave to them yet again you wont deserve reelection in 2012. You will have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt the utter uselessness electing you.

GO HOME! Call Obama out for being a lier, Tell him he has more then enough money in tax revenue to fund these functions, then GO HOME!


40 posted on 07/14/2011 9:53:24 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: yup2394871293

McConnell obviously believes it is more important to protect the rino establishment republican image from blame over the budget than to protect our country from economic ruin.


41 posted on 07/14/2011 10:06:54 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH (Fabian Globalism: Environmentalism halts production, forces population into dense controllable areas)
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To: Enough is ENOUGH
McConnell obviously believes it is more important to protect the rino establishment republican image from blame over the budget than to protect our country from economic ruin.

Victory will not be realized for those who cherish Liberty. I expect the RINOs to give in -- they always do.

Sometimes I believe the only way out of this evil Socialism is to have version 2.0 of July 4, 1776. 2012 will be the most important election since 1860.

42 posted on 07/14/2011 10:31:19 PM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces her run: August 12, 2011 11:10am ET)
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To: yup2394871293

He took his oath of office to uphold a document he never read or doesn’t understand? Strange. The rest of us don’t have that problem.


43 posted on 07/15/2011 2:26:05 AM PDT by stilloftyhenight
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To: KittenClaws

“we’ll all bleat like sheep and passively walk to slaughter - all the while expecting the voting booth to save us.”

If they took away the right to vote, the people would accept it like sheep. The people ARE sheep.
As long as it happened under a Democratic “rule” in the three branches of government, and that’s the only way it COULD happen.
The few who actually enjoy rioting will be the most contented of all. They never wanted voting, they wanted mob rule. Once they get it, and permanent Democrat mob overlords, why should anybody vote?
I absolutely do not believe in the just-you-wait grumbling of conservatives. If conservatives were going to fight back they’d have done it by now. All they do is dance backwards. Felines.


44 posted on 07/15/2011 5:12:00 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT)
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To: Anima Mundi
What is to be done?

Whatever it is, don't put it here.

45 posted on 07/15/2011 5:23:25 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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