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Michele Bachmann Leaves Church Accused of Anti-Catholic Bias ["I Love Catholics"-Bachmann]
LA Times ^ | July 13, 2011 | James Oliphant

Posted on 07/15/2011 2:23:55 PM PDT by Steelfish

Michele Bachmann Leaves Church Accused of Anti-Catholic Bias

By James Oliphant July 15, 2011 Taking a page from President Obama’s political playbook, Michele Bachmann has formally left a church in Minnesota accused of holding anti-Catholic views.

According to CNN, the church that Michele Bachmann and her husband Marcus had attended for more than a decade, Salem Lutheran in Stillwater, Minn., granted the couple’s request to be released from their membership last month, a week after Bachmann told a national audience that she would run for the Republican presidential nomination.

The Bachmanns had approached their pastor and verbally made the request “a few weeks before the church council granted the request,” said Joel Hochmuth, a spokesman for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the governing body for the church

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bachmann; christianity; lutheran; lutheranism; lutherans; michellebachmann; minnesota; salemlutheran; salmelutheran; wels; wisconsinsynod
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It's James Oliphant who is the well known Catholic bigot.
1 posted on 07/15/2011 2:24:01 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
She should have replied with loud disdain for "catlickers, towel heads, goat humpers, snake snatchin baptists, fat budha bellies, and various other marginal bands of jesus freaks."

That would have given them something to talk about that would have been tasty, instead of this.

2 posted on 07/15/2011 2:29:03 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Steelfish

I am a Catholic, but not offended by this. I am offended that she’s using Ed Rollins.


3 posted on 07/15/2011 2:30:24 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Steelfish

How this “non-news” can even be compared to Obama and the America-hating church that he subscribed to (until it became public) is a joke. The by-line says it all.


4 posted on 07/15/2011 2:30:46 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: blackdog
I'm not sure about any of this. Wouldn't Lutherans be fairly assumed to have a bias that might not include the Catholics unless some of 'em showed up for baptism or something?

I mean, what are Protestants supposed to be ~ a sort of RC lite?

5 posted on 07/15/2011 2:30:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

That’s the politically correct way to be. See, in liberal lalaland, all religions are the same no matter how different, so any religious person who has the audacity to separate the orthodox from the heterodox must be an intolerant bigot.


6 posted on 07/15/2011 2:35:06 PM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: Steelfish

Maybe this stuff would go away when a Papal Catholic received a GOP nomination for President. I wonder who it will be?


7 posted on 07/15/2011 2:35:27 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: muawiyah
I mean, what are Protestants supposed to be ~ a sort of RC lite?

Unfortunately that is what many of them have become. It is possible to love and respect individual Catholics and at the same time oppose the teaching and structure of the RCC
8 posted on 07/15/2011 2:36:18 PM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Steelfish
Bachmann: "I love Catholics' money"
9 posted on 07/15/2011 2:38:12 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: ex-snook

Facts are stubborn things....


10 posted on 07/15/2011 2:39:32 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: ex-snook
You do know we used to have fewer RCs in the Republican party than we did Souvrnr's.

Things have changed, but we're still down by half. Get busy and convert those Christmas/Easter folks to the true political faith!

11 posted on 07/15/2011 2:39:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Steelfish

If it is true that she gave up her church for political gain, I’d scratch her from my list of possible candidates, no matter how ‘pure’ she seems on the issues.

Of course, I don’t have any respect for Henry IV, either.


12 posted on 07/15/2011 2:40:58 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: muawiyah

Well that would mean actually saying that you believed us to be Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ.

If you can do that, great.


13 posted on 07/15/2011 2:41:18 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: slumber1

“It is possible to love and respect individual Catholics and at the same time oppose the teaching and structure of the RCC”

Catholics won’t buy into this. It’s no different than saying you can love Christ but don’t buy into the Church He established though St. Peter and his apostles.


14 posted on 07/15/2011 2:41:40 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: PAR35

Do you have respect for Bessie?


15 posted on 07/15/2011 2:42:04 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Steelfish
She is a (was) a Lutheran, which means that she was siding with the reformers particularly Martin Luther in the reformation dispute. The reformation --you know it was in all the papers! It was even in the history books before the NEA had it scrubbed. There are real and substantial theological and worldview differences between the doctrine of the Council of Trent and the reformed confessions. It is one thing to love Roman Catholic members,(we are to love our enemies) even value them as voters and citizens in the body politic, but to leave a church over the matter is to confound matters of doctrine with expediency.

Luther, Calvin, Knox and the Westminster assembly all labeled the Pope as either "an" or "the" antichrist. Mrs. Bachmann hate the theology and love the people, but never leave the church for the love of the world.

16 posted on 07/15/2011 2:42:54 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Steelfish

It’s a really simple question.

As an evangelical protestant, they need to ask themselves,

“would I vote for someone who believed that I was a heretic?”


17 posted on 07/15/2011 2:43:22 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Steelfish
"Catholics won’t buy into this. It’s no different than saying you can love Christ but don’t buy into the Church He established though St. Peter and his apostles."

Do you think Jews would go for this? I like individual Jews but I don't buy into Israel.

18 posted on 07/15/2011 2:46:09 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: BenKenobi

“Well that would mean actually saying that you believed us to be Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ.

If you can do that, great.”

I know some Catholics are brothers and sisters in Christ.


19 posted on 07/15/2011 2:46:27 PM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: DaveyB

“love Roman Catholic members,(we are to love our enemies)”

Again, would you vote for someone who considered you the enemy? I sincerely doubt this to be true.


20 posted on 07/15/2011 2:46:34 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: EagleUSA

I’m a Catholic and I’ll still vote for Bachmann.

What is news is that the LA Times is concerned about the bigotry against the Catholic Church.


21 posted on 07/15/2011 2:47:12 PM PDT by incredulous joe ("No road is too long with good company" Turkish Proverb)
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To: Steelfish
There is so much wrong with this story, it's hard to tell where to begin.

First, this story was planted by a radical leftist, Adam Green whose goal was to create chaos among allies.

The bum succeeded. This story does not deserve this kind of hysteria.

Second, of course there are differences of opinion among members of churches, otherwise we would all belong to the same church.

There is truth to the story but those who are reacting should understand there are differences and it can also be said that Catholics think that all non-Catholics are heretics and are going to hell.

We've all been getting along and to take this liberal's bait does no one any good except liberals.

22 posted on 07/15/2011 2:48:31 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: PAR35
I take it she'd actually been going to church somewhere else. It used to be common in virtually all Baptist and similar bodies, as well as all Lutheran churches to need to request permission to move your membership to a different congregation (or, since they're Protestants, to another brand even).

The Roman Catholics used to enforce parish bounds (did so when I was a kid but I understand things have loosened up these days with the demise of the parochial school system).

I guess Michele belonged to one of those churches where it's expected for you to request to move your membership.

We were analyzing the records of an old Baptist church on the frontier way back when (for genealogical purposes). It was very interesting. One gentleman who'd run afoul of the Deacons and Elders by requesting permission to leave the congregation was actually beaten nearly to death by them ~ and it sounded like they re-baptised him repeatedly.

Put the fear of God into the rest of them I'll tell you.

I doubt any modern Christian body would do that although that's still the Islamic standard ~ and they kill people.

So why did this Oliphant guy think any of this was peculiar?

23 posted on 07/15/2011 2:48:45 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BenKenobi

There’s the heretic issue but even worse, I think, politically, is the RC church endorsement of the whole “social justice” thing. Either they are ignorant that is code talk for socialism/equal outcome (of misery) or they do know it, and that’s why we had Teddy going nuts with the taxpayer dollars. Not to say there aren’t many others who are doing the same thing in Congress, but I believe that is what the driving force was for Teddy.


24 posted on 07/15/2011 2:48:45 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: RoadTest

And I know some protestant brothers and sisters in Christ. :)

We’re fighting the same battle. Blasting the Catholic church isn’t going to help you, anymore then if I were to blast your church for the same. You consider your congregation personal, but do not consider that Catholics feel the same.

We love the Church for what she is, just as you do. I know we have legitimate differences and disagreements, but much of the disagreement is heat and light.


25 posted on 07/15/2011 2:49:07 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: DaveyB

I think you’re criticizing Bachmann for leaving her church and I agree. It makes one wonder what she really believes.


26 posted on 07/15/2011 2:50:54 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Sioux-san

“There’s the heretic issue but even worse, I think, politically, is the RC church endorsement of the whole “social justice” thing. Either they are ignorant that is code talk for socialism/equal outcome (of misery) or they do know it, and that’s why we had Teddy going nuts with the taxpayer dollars. Not to say there aren’t many others who are doing the same thing in Congress, but I believe that is what the driving force was for Teddy.”

Kennedy was an abomination, but please understand that there are many faithful Catholics who share your same qualms with the social justice agenda peddled by some of the bishops. Teddy, thankfully does not speak for the entirety of the Church, and the bishops do not speak for the entirety of the Church either. There are many, like Tim Dolan f’rinstance who agree with you and are vocal.


27 posted on 07/15/2011 2:52:29 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: BenKenobi

Thank you. If I agreed with CAtholic teachings, I would be Catholic. I don’t agree with Catholic teaching BUT I certainly believe there are many very devout Christians in the Catholic church. One of my best friends is Catholic and I know he worries about my salvation because I do not believe all the doctrine of the Catholic church BUT we agree on so much that we pray together and we have no problems. This is the way it should be.


28 posted on 07/15/2011 2:54:03 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Actually, I think Philippe III of Spain had in mind the establishment of an English line of control along the Eastern Seaboard to provide a place of exile for troublesome Protestants.

His poor father had held out until his end in 1598 for a return of the Protestants to the RC fold. Of course it didn't happen.

Interesting that the United States is predominantly Protestant of some kind ~ just as imagined by Philippe III ~ but I also think he may have had in mind the idea that we'd come up with some new way here.

That's why we are talking, and I certainly hope working for Republican candidates.

29 posted on 07/15/2011 2:57:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Indeed. I’ve found the same myself. We are not the antichrist. One family in Christ with family disagreements...


30 posted on 07/15/2011 3:00:25 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Steelfish

Barack Obama is the precedent for the fact that, regardless of what’s preached in your church, you are not politically liable for what is preached there.

Michelle Bachmann is in the clear.


31 posted on 07/15/2011 3:01:35 PM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Steelfish

The most bigoted things I hear about Catholics these days comes from liberals, including liberal Christians.


32 posted on 07/15/2011 3:01:58 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Steelfish

Wisconsin Synod is one of the most conservative of Lutheran groups. Having said that, Lutherans of all stripes have railed against Catholics for centuries—since, like, LUTHER. Nothing new there. In fact, “anti-Catholic” is probably one of the issues that most closely unites all Lutherans from the Wisconsin Synod to the Missouri Synod to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. No news here—it’s part of Lutheran identity.

BUT... It would have been fun to see main-stream media types take on Lutherans as EXTREME. Oh, well.... Maybe she’ll join the Missouri Synod crowd and we can still have some entertainment; they are still fairly conservative.

I have to agree with posters above—you don’t change churches for politics. Makes me disappointed in you, Michelle. The political winds must be stronger than your faith commitment.....hmmmmm.


33 posted on 07/15/2011 3:03:37 PM PDT by TrueFact
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To: DaveyB
It is one thing to love Roman Catholic members,(we are to love our enemies)....

Well, thanks pal! LOL!

34 posted on 07/15/2011 3:07:36 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you B@st@rd!)
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To: Steelfish

Duh. Can’t imagine a LUTHERAN church that has problems with the CATHOLIC church. /s/

Like oil and water for centuries?


35 posted on 07/15/2011 3:09:44 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: muawiyah
Absolutely, and Catholic Republicans should be much more worried about other so-called Catholics like Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, etc. These people are far more destructive to Catholicism than Lutherans

FWIW, I am LCMS and totally believe the official doctrine of the LCMS, however, one of the most famous LCMS legislators was that liberal, Paul Simon. I have NOTHING in common with him except our membership was at the same church but he deserved to be excommunicated just like the wack job liberals who call themselves Catholics. They're no more Catholic than Paul Simon was LCMS.

36 posted on 07/15/2011 3:12:12 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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37 posted on 07/15/2011 3:14:49 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Steelfish

Divide and conquer.. mock fight between catholics and lutherans..
I say expose the democrat weasles....


38 posted on 07/15/2011 3:15:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Steelfish

She left her church for politics? Not good. Not good at all.


39 posted on 07/15/2011 3:15:15 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: Steelfish

The article doesn’t mention where she will be worshiping next. I wonder if she’s thinking of attending RCIA classes?


40 posted on 07/15/2011 3:16:24 PM PDT by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: NoGrayZone

She probably left because she didn’t want her church to be attacked by the pathetic MSM and Left. I suppose they would attack it either way but it just shows how desperate they are (or how much they fear her). Doesn’t Rush always say the reason the Left goes after Palin so much is because they fear her?


41 posted on 07/15/2011 3:19:21 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Can we keep our attacks focused on the real enemy: Obama)
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To: Jedidah

Duh. Can’t imagine a LUTHERAN church that has problems with the CATHOLIC church. /s/


I’m a Catholic graduate of a Lutheran College. No problems. Had Ministers for teachers but none were wackos spouting about the Pope is the anti-Christ.


42 posted on 07/15/2011 3:20:30 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: mlizzy

LOL Good one!


43 posted on 07/15/2011 3:22:04 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: BenKenobi
There are many, like Tim Dolan f’rinstance who agree with you and are vocal.

Archbishop Dolan once mentioned our selfish use of oil in a blog post on his website. He's pro amnesty and government healthcare.

BTW, I am a Catholic in the NY Archdiocese.

44 posted on 07/15/2011 3:26:09 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you B@st@rd!)
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To: Steelfish

Poor fellow. Using God in an attempt to start in-fighting won't do much for his soul. Such a short-term thinker, he is.


45 posted on 07/15/2011 3:30:37 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: muawiyah
I mean, what are Protestants supposed to be ~ a sort of RC lite?

Well, the name Protestant would assume they are protesting something, and Lutherans in particular could be assumed to be "anti" Catholic. Luther split from the Catholic Church after all.

I wonder if her Lutheran Pastor ever screamed, "Hillary ain't never been called a mackerel snapper lite!"

Sad that this is a story at all. And I'm a Catholic.

46 posted on 07/15/2011 3:41:53 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: Lauren BaRecall

I have heard good things about him, but I defer to greater experience.

That’s a disappointment.


47 posted on 07/15/2011 3:43:10 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Steelfish

Boy, she’s becoming Pander Woman! I used to kind of like her, but she’s looking more and more like a distaff Huckleberry, I mean, Huckabee.


48 posted on 07/15/2011 3:44:28 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

No argument there, but I do think it’s possible for a faithful protestant to believe that he has Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. A church should exist for what it believes, not in opposition to those who it rejects.


49 posted on 07/15/2011 3:46:16 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman!)
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To: Steelfish; All
Well, I guess I'll throw my two cents in here, and incur the wrath coming! The ‘common knowledge’ that Lutherans view the Pope as the antichrist is almost right. Actually, Lutherans view the papacy as anti-christ. Although there may have been individual Pope's who were anti-christ (perhaps), Lutherans don't think that Benedict or any recent Pope himself was THE Antichrist. Luther thought that there was no scriptural support for a “Pope”. Remember, Luther thought of himself as a Roman Catholic and wasn't intending to create a new denomination. And, secondly, there actually is only ONE christian church - from Jesus Christ - and that is the ‘church universal’. Denominations are a thing created by men to expound differences in interpretation and meaning of scripture. But, that's okay if we have true faith. That Michele is leaving WELS is alright with me, since I think that WELS is unreasonably restrictive anyway, and I hope that she finds another true Christian congregation to attend. Regardless, she may get my vote - unless Sarah runs.
50 posted on 07/15/2011 3:47:10 PM PDT by JohnLocker
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