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War in Libya: Dumb and Dumber (Victor Davis Hanson)
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE ^ | July 14, 2011 12:00 A.M. | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/15/2011 6:49:05 PM PDT by neverdem

War in Libya: Dumb and Dumber
The only thing worse than starting a stupid war is losing it.

Almost daily over the last four months we were told that Moammar Qaddafi was about ready to throw in the towel and give up.

Libya, after all, is not a distant Afghanistan or Iraq with a population of some 30 million. Yet this tiny police state of less than 7 million people, conveniently located on the Mediterranean Sea opposite nearby Europe, continues to thwart the three great powers of the NATO alliance and thousands of “Arab Spring” rebels.

In March, President Obama ordered the use of American bombers and cruise missiles to join with the French and British to finish off the tottering Qaddafi regime. Obama was apparently stung by liberal criticism that the U.S. had done little to help the rebels in their weeks-long effort to remove Qaddafi — after only belatedly supporting the successful revolutionaries in Tunisia and Egypt.

Four months ago, intervention seemed to the Obama administration to be a quick, painless way of ridding the world of a longstanding international menace while gaining praise for helping “democratic” reformers. Oil, of course, is always a subtext in any Middle Eastern war.

But almost immediately contradictions arose. Sometimes we ordered Qaddafi to leave; at other times we insisted we were only helping the rebels. Bombs seemed to be aimed at the Qaddafi family, even as we denied that such targeted killing was the goal — and were reminded that U.S. law forbids the assassination of foreign leaders.

The rebels were variously described as would-be democratic reformers, inept amateurs, hard-core Islamists, and mixtures of all three. Months later, no one seems to have the answer, though many of the insurgents share a deep-seated racial and religious hatred of Qaddafi’s African mercenaries. Who knows whether post-Qaddafi Libya will become an Islamic republic, a Somalia-like mess, another Arab dictatorship, or a Turkish-style democracy?

The more NATO forces destroyed Qaddafi’s tanks, artillery, planes, and boats, the more the unhinged dictator seemed to cling to power. Western leaders had forgotten that Qaddafi lost a war with Egypt in 1977, lost a war with Chad in 1987, and came out on the losing end of Ronald Reagan’s bombing campaign in 1986 — and yet clung to power and remains the planet’s longest-ruling dictator. Terror, oil, cash reserves, and a loyal mercenary army are a potent combination.

The Obama administration asked for legal authorization from the Arab League — the majority of whose member states are not democratic — and from the U.N., but to this day strangely has not requested authorization from Congress. As Obama sought legitimacy from international organizations, he failed to note that no U.N. or Arab League resolution actually had allowed him to conduct a full-scale air war against Qaddafi’s ruling clique. The Chinese and Russians are both happy to keep pointing that out.

Both conservatives and liberals were flabbergasted by the sudden preemptive war. Conservatives who supported the messy efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq were reluctant to champion a third one in Libya without congressional authority and with no clearly stated mission or methodology. When we entered an on-again/off-again cycle of operations, Republicans charged that a weakened, fiscally insolvent America was sort of “leading from behind.”

Liberals were appalled that the president, who, as a senator, had always praised the War Powers Act, was now ordering his legal team to find ingenious ways of bypassing it. If this was to be a multilateral, un-Bush war, why then did it split NATO apart? Roughly half the members declined to participate. Both Germany and Italy soon openly opposed the effort. And now the instigator, France, seems to want to bail out.

The Left had also decried Western attacks on oil-exporting Muslim countries, but now liberal-in-chief Barack Obama was engaging in just such an attack. Indeed, the anti-war president who had promised to end the Bush Mideast wars had suddenly expanded them into a third theater. The more the war dragged on, the more the Arab world was torn between hating Qaddafi and hating Obama’s bombs.

The odious Qaddafi has been an international pariah for most of his tenure — funding terrorists, killing Americans, and murdering dissidents. But even as the first bombs were dropped, he was a monster in the midst of rehab. In late 2010 his jet-setting family was being courted by Western intellectuals, reestablishing diplomatic relations with the United States, offering oil concessions to the West, and being praised as a partner in the war against radical Islamic terrorism.

Then, with a snap of the fingers, in early 2011 Qaddafi was suddenly reinvented as a Saddam Hussein–like ogre and dodging Western cruise missiles and bombs targeting his person.

What is next?

The general consensus, from both Left and Right, is that we should finish the misadventure as quickly as possible. Apparently, the only thing worse than starting a stupid, unnecessary war against a madman is losing it.

Victor Davis Hanson is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and the author, most recently, of The Father of Us All: War and History, Ancient and Modern. © 2011 Tribune Media Services, Inc.



TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: france; libya; nato; obama

1 posted on 07/15/2011 6:49:07 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The leaders of the ragtags lived in the united states for years, it makes no difference what daffy does, his kids will sooner are later take out the ragtags leaders. Their days are numbered. The blood wrong will last forever.


2 posted on 07/15/2011 7:01:48 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: neverdem

There are not any good guys down there. I hope they all lose.


3 posted on 07/15/2011 7:03:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: neverdem

Very good essay.


4 posted on 07/15/2011 7:07:52 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: org.whodat

Send in Obama of Arabia. Only he can make the Arabs learn how to be Harvard Grads.


5 posted on 07/15/2011 7:09:21 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: screaminsunshine

We need to nuke Mecca and delegitimize their cult.


6 posted on 07/15/2011 7:11:33 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

That would be the solution to a problem they need. But it would work. That is why it will not happen. Solving problems is not allowed.


7 posted on 07/15/2011 7:17:00 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Some day, a credible historian will write a book entitled "Obama's Foreign Policy".

It will read like a comic book. And describe utter failure, spiced with occasional tragedy. Spellcheck will reveal that the most common single word is "bizarre".

8 posted on 07/15/2011 7:18:34 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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9 posted on 07/15/2011 7:21:07 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: neverdem
I suspect that part of the Obama Administration's calculation -- in terms of intervening --- was to consider the consequences of the spill over effect (i.e. large numbers of people moving from Libya into Egypt) —— which would further destabilize Egypt subsequent to Mubarak's resignation.
10 posted on 07/15/2011 7:27:06 PM PDT by LjubivojeRadosavljevic
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To: okie01; wtc911
Thanks, okie.

wtc, you'd mentioned you had written graphic novels.

Here's your chance.

Cheers!

11 posted on 07/15/2011 7:34:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: LjubivojeRadosavljevic
the consequences of the spill over effect (i.e. large numbers of people moving from Libya into Egypt) —— which would further destabilize Egypt

Looks like it will also destabilize Italy and then France.

12 posted on 07/15/2011 8:13:27 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Holy flippin' crap, Sarah rocks the world!)
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To: okie01
Some day, a credible historian will write a book entitled "Obama's Foreign Policy".
It will read like a comic book. And describe utter failure, spiced with occasional tragedy. Spellcheck will reveal that the most common single word is "bizarre".
That's a well-worded observation.
13 posted on 07/15/2011 9:38:09 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: neverdem

Obama owns this fiasco...


14 posted on 07/15/2011 11:45:32 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: neverdem; Beckwith; LucyT

Gadhafi, like Egypt’s Mubarak , was a US Ally who fought the Muslim Brotherhood in Eastern Iraq during and after the Iraq war. Eastern Libya was the largest recruiting area for Islamofascists who would fight against US soldiers in Iraq. Gadhafi killed the Muslim Brotherhood where he found them.

Now Obama suopportts the Msulim Brotherhood, he has two on his WHOte HOuse policy staff as advisors.Obama unilaterally redefined Gadhafi as an enemy, after Gadhafi played a crucial role in his country of hunting down the Muslim Brotherhood, assisting the USA in its fight in Iraq.

Obama has committed treason.He has stabbed allies in the back, grifted NATO into hauling his water using oil as bait, and wants Libya in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood, in order to open a gateway through Libya into sub SDaharan Africa for the Islamists to subvert and kill all Western friendly African givernments. Northern Nigeria is already being destabilized and attacked , it will be a replay of Sudan.

Why? Obama wants toi see a re-establishment of the old caliphate, with Yemen, Somalia, Kenya, Sudan, Libya, and Egypt in the hands of the Muslim Brotherhood, aided by eventual nuclear proloiferation by Iran.The goal is to eventually take Mecca and Medina from the Saudis, take over Saudi Arabia, and then destroy Israel. This is the effect of Obama’s strategy in aid of the Muslim Brotherhood, disguised as the “Arab Spring”, organized by Obama supporters and internet communication, as a movement of democracy. Sharia law is anything but democratic. it is theocratic fascism.

Obama is a fascist, you can see it daily by his conduct, disregard of the US COnstitution,and his use of executive orders to promote dysfunction within the US government. Obama is a traitor, and needs to be removed from office. Impeachment articles need to be drawn up in the House.Throw everything at him, from his concealed origins, to his violation of the constitution , and the use of created artificial crises via purposeful dereliction of duty. Obama for example has prevented a budget from being passed in Congress for 2 years, and created a false “default” crisis.

There is no crisis except for the fact that we have a traitor in the White House.

ISSA: DO IT NOW..... IMPEACH OBAMA.

Gadhafi and the Bedouin tribes of Libya have fought Obama, and they are winning on the ground.I am rooting for Gadhafi , as should all patriots who honor our military sacrifices in Iraq and Afghanistan.


15 posted on 07/16/2011 6:29:34 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: DJ MacWoW
On September 17th 1787, at the closing of the Constitutional Convention, James Wilson read a speech composed by Mr. Franklin who was too feeble to deliver it.

In part, “ . . . it . . . can only end in Despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”

16 posted on 07/16/2011 12:00:00 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

The geniuses that fashioned our republic were aware that it would not stand forever. Human nature being what it is.


17 posted on 07/16/2011 12:06:42 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.
Almost daily over the last four months we were told that Moammar Qaddafi was about ready to throw in the towel and give up... Yet this tiny police state of less than 7 million people, conveniently located on the Mediterranean Sea opposite nearby Europe, continues to thwart the three great powers of the NATO alliance and thousands of "Arab Spring" rebels. In March, [Zero] ordered the use of American bombers and cruise missiles... apparently stung by liberal criticism that the U.S. had done little to help the rebels... after only belatedly supporting the successful revolutionaries in Tunisia and Egypt... Sometimes we ordered Qaddafi to leave; at other times we insisted we were only helping the rebels. Bombs seemed to be aimed at the Qaddafi family, even as we denied that such targeted killing was the goal -- and were reminded that U.S. law forbids the assassination of foreign leaders. The rebels were variously described as would-be democratic reformers, inept amateurs, hard-core Islamists, and mixtures of all three.

18 posted on 07/16/2011 3:15:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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