Skip to comments.Why My Father Hated India
Posted on 07/16/2011 9:18:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker
Aatish Taseer, the son of an assassinated Pakistani leader, explains the history and hysteria behind a deadly relationship
Ten days before he was assassinated in January, my father, Salman Taseer, sent out a tweet about an Indian rocket that had come down over the Bay of Bengal: "Why does India make fools of themselves messing in space technology? Stick 2 bollywood my advice."
My father was the governor of Punjab, Pakistan's largest province, and his tweet, with its taunt at India's misfortune, would have delighted his many thousands of followers. It fed straight into Pakistan's unhealthy obsession with India, the country from which it was carved in 1947.
Though my father's attitude went down well in Pakistan, it had caused considerable tension between us. I am half-Indian, raised in Delhi by my Indian mother: India is a country that I consider my own. When my father was killed by one of his own bodyguards for defending a Christian woman accused of blasphemy, we had not spoken for three years.
To understand the Pakistani obsession with India, to get a sense of its special edgeits hysteriait is necessary to understand the rejection of India, its culture and past, that lies at the heart of the idea of Pakistan. This is not merely an academic question. Pakistan's animus toward India is the cause of both its unwillingness to fight Islamic extremism and its active complicity in undermining the aims of its ostensible ally, the United States.
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Mr. Taseer can stick it in his punjab ear.
Fortunately mass human stupidity does not always prove fatal, but unfortunately for the people of Pakistan it is always a disaster. Nothing much dumber then a Muslim fundamentalist state, which is where they are heading.
People need to read the whole article. Until both India and Pakistan adopt complete religious freedom, there is no hope for either of them. They refuse to do so because they know that in an atmosphere of freedom, nothing can resist the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Islam and Hinduism will fall before the truth.
Excellent piece of analysis, and a sad personal story.
Christianity has failed in much of Europe.
A more or less ridiculous charge w.r.t India. The most powerful woman in India is a Roman Catholic, along with several states having Christian majorities now. How do you explain Israel not converting wholesale to Christianity, then? Lack of religious freedom there too? Conversions and re-conversions go on back and forth in India so often, it’s almost comical.
Those from India who post on this board have explained the limits of freedom in India, before. I have pinged them.
It is not Christianity which has failed, but the European people, in thrall to materialistism and socialism. Meanwhile, the Gospel spreads in East Asia, Africa, and elsewhere. “For the last shall be first, and the first last.”
Who is “the most powerful woman in India?” Regarding Israel: the climate is not favorable at this time, but I know Messianic Jews. The truth will triumph. “Conversions and reconversions”? How many people do you know who have experienced conversion to Christ have “reconverted”? Many who have converted have gone to their deaths rather than deny Christ. I pray that I might have the same strength. In the meantime, I will support my brethren in Christ.
Sonia (Maino) Gandhi.
Several defense ministers of India were/are Christians, too. Not to mention several senior defense personnel, as well.
G. K. Chesterton
Great quote. Chesterton was full of them.
Great quote. Chesterton was full of them.
As someone who has been to India multiple times, India does have freedom of religion, a great deal in fact, and arguably more so then most nations.
The entire population is not Hindu, its overwhelmingly hindu, but its also got muslims (unfortunatly they make up 10% of the population, which ironically makes India the nation with the most muslims in the world) along with several other religions (sikh, Buddhist, zoroastrian, etc).
Saying India has no freedom of religion, is akin to saying Texas has no vegetables.
Comments from Jewish FReeper Blasater1960, such as the ones on this thread (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2746890/posts?page=96#96 - see all) will tell you why Israel will continue to remain Jewish, or secular, for a long time to come.
India has nominal freedom of religion, but Christians are still persecuted. I must admit that India is much freer in that regard than Pakistan or any other Muslim nation.
To be “secular” is a long way from being Jewish. Have you ever met any Messianic Jews—people who accept Jesus as the Messiah?
They've appointed Christians to positions of power in their government, and I've seen christian churches first hand, and this is a country where Mother Theresa was considered a national hero (despite not actually being indian, and also being a christian herself, and also, converting people freely).
That said, I have no doubt that you'll christians persecuted there, along with every religious group (ironically, including Hindus, and its their own country) but then again, I've seen Christians persecuted here, like NYC.
Indonesia has the most Muslims in the world, though India has more than Pakistan (10% of a billion+ people is still a lot). Pakistan has never forgotten that India broke them in half by sending troops to help Bangladesh (East Pakistan) leave “West Pakistan”. They did the same thing with the Sihks and in Sri Lanka, and Indira Ghandi and her son Rajiv (no relation to the Mahatma) died for it.
As long as Americans think of India as a country, they will never understand it - though not geographically, it is a continent.
“will tell you why Israel will continue to remain Jewish, or secular, for a long time to come.”
Aren’t these 2 ideas diametrically opposed? They certainly cause plenty of tension over there.
India let the British tell the story of its history, and Pakistan took it one step further and let Arab Muslims define their culture.
No wonder they are so screwed up.
I say “nominal” because Christians are still horribly persecuted, if not officially and with govt. approval. I am thankful that India is not like its Muslim neighbor; don’t get me wrong. Most Americans have become very favorable towards India since that country moved away from socialism, and since Indians have come to live among us as good citizens.
I know. I’ve been to Israel, and have friends and acquaintances there. A significant proportion of the people there are secular. The rest are Jewish, and a minority, Muslims and Christians.
India has religious freedom, and you are right, Christians are persecuted. However, the persecution isn’t one-way. Ever heard of the NLFT? They’re a Christian group which would put the Taliban to shame:
National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)
The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was formed in December 1989 for the purpose of seceding from India in order to create an independent Christian fundamentalist state of Tripura. The group was banned under the Unlawful Activies Prevention Act of 1967.
The headquarters of NLFT is located in the Khagrachari district of Bangladesh, about 40-45 km southeast of Simanapur.
In Tripura a systematic surrender of arms by a faction of NLFT insurgents and NLFT fringe groups is due to the increased security pressure and to infighting within NLFT insurgent ranks. Since 2000 a few hundred militants have surrendered in small groups to the security forces, handing in their weapons. The NLFT leadership engaged in peace talks with Mizoram Chief Zoramthanga in April 2001, however the NLFT has not promised acceptance of any future peace process.
The NLFT has set up a number of camps in Bangladesh’s Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT), in the Sylhet, Maulavi Bazar, Habiganj and Comilla regions. NLFT also has ties with Pakistans external intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence Agency (ISI).
Have a look at the list of atrocities committed by them:
Actually Indonesia has the most muslims in the world. I believe India is 2nd.
I don't know much about Israel firsthand, but I do know Messianic Jews in the U.S. I also know that Israel is the home of a sacred site for Bahais, and I have Bahai friends, who I know have suffered horrible persecution at the hands of Islamic Iran.
Please. Give it a rest. You simply sound silly.
I really don’t think this is the forum for debating which religion is the true religion. But if you must use anecdotal evidence, don’t pretend that you are the only one who possesses it. I know quite a few former Christians who converted to Judaism. The head Imam of Italy was once a Roman Catholic. What does all this prove? Not a thing. People change their faiths, sometimes one way and sometimes another.
Religious freedom in India was first abolished by the British, who suppressed the Thuggist cult and outlawed Satee, or the live cremation of one’s favorite wife at one’s funeral, formerly a regular practice of wealthy Hindus. Did they do bad? Not under the circumstances. Nutso, homicidal cults and practices ought to be suppressed. It didn’t spell the end of Hinduism, because it is a viable religion even without the Thugs and Satee practices. Would it spell the end of Islam? One can only hope.
I read this article yesterday morning and I was really impressed by it. Basically, Pakistan hates India because Pakistan is obsessed with extending Islam and sees India and its success as a rebuke to the nutty goals of Pakistan.
The article points out that Pakistan devotes a huge amount of its budget to its military, which has defeated any attempt by political leaders to change the country’s direction.
The British seem to have been very bad at dealing with the problem of Islam in their colonies. In many ways both Israel and India reflect the fact that partitioning an area and handing one part of it over to the Muslim element was not a successful way of dealing with the problem, if only because Muslim societies are incapable of succeeding and also never drop their desire to take over the entirety of the area for their insane, dysfunctional death-cult society.
I guess that's two words. Sue me.
Great article. Thanks for posting.
Paki’s are inferior to Indians. Indians know it and Paki’s know it but never the less hate it. Being inferior raises animosity
People need to read the whole article. Until both India and Pakistan adopt complete religious freedom, there is no hope for either of them.
From what Ive read of Islam the act of allowing religious freedom is itself blasphemous. Anyone who suggested it would be automatically subject to death from the true believer closest to him. Notice the authors father was killed by his own bodyguard for defending a Christian accused of blasphemy. Just the un-Islamic act of defending someone of another faith is an automatic death sentence. Not a death sentence carried out by a government, mind you. Islam is the most empowering religion. If you consider yourself a true believer, you can enforce the death sentence, or caning or throwing acid, whenever you like. Imagine youre a poor peasant. As long as you claim to be a true believer, you have all the power of a king. Thats one of Islams appeals to the masses; much more enticing than Communism.
Huh? Are Christians supposed to let Nazis rule the world?
Ravi Zacharias, one of the most prominent Evangelical evangelists, was born in India to a nominally Christian family, and his father was the Indian equivalent of Assistant Secretary of State. This is not something you would see in Pakistan, where his father instead might have been beheaded for not being Muslim.
Thats right, I stand corrected. I'm not sure now, but I believe India may actually be dropping down the list soon, possibly to 3rd, at some point....Good for them, lol.
Wrong... millions of Hindus were slaughtered by the Islamic invaders - -
...and after the end of the British Raj, hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Muslims tore each other to pieces with their bare hands, sticks, rocks and anything else they could manage to utilize...
And, by the way...
A lot of the so-called “Christian” missionaries in India are nothing but front groups for the Maoists.
And just like in this country, where we have “Christian” churches that are openly supporting faggot marriage, you should be careful to accept any notion that because someone slaps a “Christian” label on some new evil that we should all bow down before such nonsense.
Posts like your have given the Christians the reputation of being religious whacks. This article isn’t about what religious is superior.And whether you like it or not there will always be vast diversity of religions and belief systems in the world and that is a good thing.
And regardless of what you believe India already has religious freedom. And fact will all the religious freedom is Christianity is actually falling apart in US and Europe, Islam is the fast growing religion in these two places. Religious freedom is a two edged sword.
“Christianity has failed in much of Europe.”
State-sponsored religion. By the same token, mosques in Iran are almost empty. The dictatorship of the mullahs has killed religion there. If Islam throughout the Middle East lost it’s government support you’d be amazed at how quickly this proselytizing, conquering force would become a footnote to history.
It was their decision to reject Christ or not, just as it was the Muslim countries, which they do at their own peril.
They are all in the same boat in that regard, in that Christ will reject *them* when He returns.
Good post. Pakistan is dominated by the military that allows serving officers to work in private business and over 35,000 do so. The PakMil owns most of the golf courses and polo and cricket fields in Pakistan and is thew largest landholder in the country. The PakMil sits on every board of directors of any consequence of every business.
That is why Pakistan is a failed state, capitalism with a ruling class. China had a freer economy. They will always be a breeding ground for chaos and discontent, of training camps for every muslim hate group in the world.
They didn't abolish the religion...they abolished criminal acts.
That's like saying that abolishing polygamy in Mormonism equates to abolishing Mormonism. Not so.
Actually, the British succeeding in ending Muslim dominance of the Indian sub-continent when they took over.
So much that in the end those elements of Islam hightailed it to Pakistan.
The Thuggist cult was completely abolished. Satee, while just a practice of Hinduism, was abolished. As you say, that was not the abolition of Hinduism, but it was the abolition of freedom of religion, in that people could not practice that part of their religion that the English disapproved of; i.e., criminal acts. Abolishing polygamy doesn’t abolish Mormonism, but it does outlaw an act sanctioned by Mormonism, so it is an assault on freedom of religion. So is the San Francisco circumcision ban, and the European shechita ban. Sometimes, freedom of religion doesn’t trump all other considerations, and we can argue over where and when and what.
But the bottom line is, British rule in India outlawed certain religious practices. The British did good. It is bad to strangle people and steal their money. It is bad to burn your wife alive.
It is also bad to wage holy wars to achieve world domination and convert everyone by the sword. That should definitely be outlawed. Whatever’s left of Islam if that practice is effectively suppressed is their lookout. If their faith falls apart once it’s restricted to doing the hokey poky towards Mecca, not eating pig meat, circumcising 13-year-olds, etc., then fine. But we do not have to tolerate attempts at world domination and/or genocide.
Calculating from the figures in the World Almanac 2011, the figures are approximately (in millions):
I stand corrected, thanx.