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Why My Father Hated India
WSJ ^ | 7/16/11 | Aatish Taseer

Posted on 07/16/2011 9:18:40 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Aatish Taseer, the son of an assassinated Pakistani leader, explains the history and hysteria behind a deadly relationship

Ten days before he was assassinated in January, my father, Salman Taseer, sent out a tweet about an Indian rocket that had come down over the Bay of Bengal: "Why does India make fools of themselves messing in space technology? Stick 2 bollywood my advice."

My father was the governor of Punjab, Pakistan's largest province, and his tweet, with its taunt at India's misfortune, would have delighted his many thousands of followers. It fed straight into Pakistan's unhealthy obsession with India, the country from which it was carved in 1947.

Though my father's attitude went down well in Pakistan, it had caused considerable tension between us. I am half-Indian, raised in Delhi by my Indian mother: India is a country that I consider my own. When my father was killed by one of his own bodyguards for defending a Christian woman accused of blasphemy, we had not spoken for three years.

To understand the Pakistani obsession with India, to get a sense of its special edge—its hysteria—it is necessary to understand the rejection of India, its culture and past, that lies at the heart of the idea of Pakistan. This is not merely an academic question. Pakistan's animus toward India is the cause of both its unwillingness to fight Islamic extremism and its active complicity in undermining the aims of its ostensible ally, the United States.

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1 posted on 07/16/2011 9:18:49 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Mr. Taseer can stick it in his punjab ear.


2 posted on 07/16/2011 9:27:51 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: LibWhacker

Fortunately mass human stupidity does not always prove fatal, but unfortunately for the people of Pakistan it is always a disaster. Nothing much dumber then a Muslim fundamentalist state, which is where they are heading.


3 posted on 07/16/2011 9:33:13 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: LibWhacker

Good article.


4 posted on 07/16/2011 9:55:39 PM PDT by marron
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To: LibWhacker
When my father was killed by one of his own bodyguards for defending a Christian woman accused of blasphemy, we had not spoken for three years.

People need to read the whole article. Until both India and Pakistan adopt complete religious freedom, there is no hope for either of them. They refuse to do so because they know that in an atmosphere of freedom, nothing can resist the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Islam and Hinduism will fall before the truth.

5 posted on 07/16/2011 9:56:03 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: LibWhacker

Excellent piece of analysis, and a sad personal story.


6 posted on 07/16/2011 10:09:19 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: hellbender

Christianity has failed in much of Europe.


7 posted on 07/16/2011 10:13:16 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: hellbender; sukhoi-30mki; ravager; johnwayne

A more or less ridiculous charge w.r.t India. The most powerful woman in India is a Roman Catholic, along with several states having Christian majorities now. How do you explain Israel not converting wholesale to Christianity, then? Lack of religious freedom there too? Conversions and re-conversions go on back and forth in India so often, it’s almost comical.

Those from India who post on this board have explained the limits of freedom in India, before. I have pinged them.


8 posted on 07/16/2011 10:13:37 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Clemenza

It is not Christianity which has failed, but the European people, in thrall to materialistism and socialism. Meanwhile, the Gospel spreads in East Asia, Africa, and elsewhere. “For the last shall be first, and the first last.”


9 posted on 07/16/2011 10:18:12 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: LibWhacker
I don't really care why this guys old man hated India. In my considered opinion we should nuke Pakistan until everything from the Indian border to the Afghan border is a solid sheet of glass.
10 posted on 07/16/2011 10:19:31 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Who is “the most powerful woman in India?” Regarding Israel: the climate is not favorable at this time, but I know Messianic Jews. The truth will triumph. “Conversions and reconversions”? How many people do you know who have experienced conversion to Christ have “reconverted”? Many who have converted have gone to their deaths rather than deny Christ. I pray that I might have the same strength. In the meantime, I will support my brethren in Christ.


11 posted on 07/16/2011 10:24:49 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

Sonia (Maino) Gandhi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonia_Gandhi

Several defense ministers of India were/are Christians, too. Not to mention several senior defense personnel, as well.


12 posted on 07/16/2011 10:34:57 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Clemenza
“Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.”

G. K. Chesterton

13 posted on 07/16/2011 10:35:24 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

Great quote. Chesterton was full of them.


14 posted on 07/16/2011 10:40:11 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: hellbender

Great quote. Chesterton was full of them.


15 posted on 07/16/2011 10:40:23 PM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: hellbender
People need to read the whole article. Until both India and Pakistan adopt complete religious freedom, there is no hope for either of them. They refuse to do so because they know that in an atmosphere of freedom, nothing can resist the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Islam and Hinduism will fall before the truth.

As someone who has been to India multiple times, India does have freedom of religion, a great deal in fact, and arguably more so then most nations.

The entire population is not Hindu, its overwhelmingly hindu, but its also got muslims (unfortunatly they make up 10% of the population, which ironically makes India the nation with the most muslims in the world) along with several other religions (sikh, Buddhist, zoroastrian, etc).

Saying India has no freedom of religion, is akin to saying Texas has no vegetables.

16 posted on 07/16/2011 10:46:35 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: hellbender

Comments from Jewish FReeper Blasater1960, such as the ones on this thread (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2746890/posts?page=96#96 - see all) will tell you why Israel will continue to remain Jewish, or secular, for a long time to come.


17 posted on 07/16/2011 10:49:56 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Sonny M

India has nominal freedom of religion, but Christians are still persecuted. I must admit that India is much freer in that regard than Pakistan or any other Muslim nation.


18 posted on 07/16/2011 10:51:23 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: James C. Bennett

To be “secular” is a long way from being Jewish. Have you ever met any Messianic Jews—people who accept Jesus as the Messiah?


19 posted on 07/16/2011 10:55:47 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender
India has nominal freedom of religion, but Christians are still persecuted. I must admit that India is much freer in that regard than Pakistan or any other Muslim nation.

Nominal ?

They've appointed Christians to positions of power in their government, and I've seen christian churches first hand, and this is a country where Mother Theresa was considered a national hero (despite not actually being indian, and also being a christian herself, and also, converting people freely).

That said, I have no doubt that you'll christians persecuted there, along with every religious group (ironically, including Hindus, and its their own country) but then again, I've seen Christians persecuted here, like NYC.

20 posted on 07/16/2011 10:57:10 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M

Indonesia has the most Muslims in the world, though India has more than Pakistan (10% of a billion+ people is still a lot). Pakistan has never forgotten that India broke them in half by sending troops to help Bangladesh (East Pakistan) leave “West Pakistan”. They did the same thing with the Sihks and in Sri Lanka, and Indira Ghandi and her son Rajiv (no relation to the Mahatma) died for it.

As long as Americans think of India as a country, they will never understand it - though not geographically, it is a continent.


21 posted on 07/16/2011 10:59:44 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: James C. Bennett

“will tell you why Israel will continue to remain Jewish, or secular, for a long time to come.”

Aren’t these 2 ideas diametrically opposed? They certainly cause plenty of tension over there.


22 posted on 07/16/2011 11:01:32 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: LibWhacker

India let the British tell the story of its history, and Pakistan took it one step further and let Arab Muslims define their culture.

No wonder they are so screwed up.


23 posted on 07/16/2011 11:03:56 PM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Sonny M

I say “nominal” because Christians are still horribly persecuted, if not officially and with govt. approval. I am thankful that India is not like its Muslim neighbor; don’t get me wrong. Most Americans have become very favorable towards India since that country moved away from socialism, and since Indians have come to live among us as good citizens.


24 posted on 07/16/2011 11:07:44 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

I know. I’ve been to Israel, and have friends and acquaintances there. A significant proportion of the people there are secular. The rest are Jewish, and a minority, Muslims and Christians.

India has religious freedom, and you are right, Christians are persecuted. However, the persecution isn’t one-way. Ever heard of the NLFT? They’re a Christian group which would put the Taliban to shame:

National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT)

The National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) was formed in December 1989 for the purpose of seceding from India in order to create an independent Christian fundamentalist state of Tripura. The group was banned under the Unlawful Activies Prevention Act of 1967.

The headquarters of NLFT is located in the Khagrachari district of Bangladesh, about 40-45 km southeast of Simanapur.

In Tripura a systematic surrender of arms by a faction of NLFT insurgents and NLFT fringe groups is due to the increased security pressure and to infighting within NLFT insurgent ranks. Since 2000 a few hundred militants have surrendered in small groups to the security forces, handing in their weapons. The NLFT leadership engaged in peace talks with Mizoram Chief Zoramthanga in April 2001, however the NLFT has not promised acceptance of any future peace process.

The NLFT has set up a number of camps in Bangladesh’s Chittagong Hill Tracts (CHT), in the Sylhet, Maulavi Bazar, Habiganj and Comilla regions. NLFT also has ties with Pakistan’s external intelligence agency, the Inter Services Intelligence Agency (ISI).

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/nlft.htm

Have a look at the list of atrocities committed by them:

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/states/tripura/terrorist_outfits/NLFT_tl.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2696965.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4190570.stm


25 posted on 07/16/2011 11:09:34 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Sonny M

Actually Indonesia has the most muslims in the world. I believe India is 2nd.


26 posted on 07/16/2011 11:23:53 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: James C. Bennett
Sad to hear that anyone claiming to be Christian would engage in violence. But most of the religious violence in India is against Christians.

I don't know much about Israel firsthand, but I do know Messianic Jews in the U.S. I also know that Israel is the home of a sacred site for Bahais, and I have Bahai friends, who I know have suffered horrible persecution at the hands of Islamic Iran.

27 posted on 07/16/2011 11:28:14 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: hellbender

Please. Give it a rest. You simply sound silly.


28 posted on 07/17/2011 12:27:07 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: hellbender

I really don’t think this is the forum for debating which religion is the true religion. But if you must use anecdotal evidence, don’t pretend that you are the only one who possesses it. I know quite a few former Christians who converted to Judaism. The head Imam of Italy was once a Roman Catholic. What does all this prove? Not a thing. People change their faiths, sometimes one way and sometimes another.

Religious freedom in India was first abolished by the British, who suppressed the Thuggist cult and outlawed Satee, or the live cremation of one’s favorite wife at one’s funeral, formerly a regular practice of wealthy Hindus. Did they do bad? Not under the circumstances. Nutso, homicidal cults and practices ought to be suppressed. It didn’t spell the end of Hinduism, because it is a viable religion even without the Thugs and Satee practices. Would it spell the end of Islam? One can only hope.


29 posted on 07/17/2011 1:12:27 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: LibWhacker

I read this article yesterday morning and I was really impressed by it. Basically, Pakistan hates India because Pakistan is obsessed with extending Islam and sees India and its success as a rebuke to the nutty goals of Pakistan.

The article points out that Pakistan devotes a huge amount of its budget to its military, which has defeated any attempt by political leaders to change the country’s direction.

The British seem to have been very bad at dealing with the problem of Islam in their colonies. In many ways both Israel and India reflect the fact that partitioning an area and handing one part of it over to the Muslim element was not a successful way of dealing with the problem, if only because Muslim societies are incapable of succeeding and also never drop their desire to take over the entirety of the area for their insane, dysfunctional death-cult society.


30 posted on 07/17/2011 2:42:43 AM PDT by livius
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To: Lurker
I don't really care why this guys old man hated India. In my considered opinion we should nuke Pakistan until everything from the Indian border to the Afghan Israeli border is a solid sheet of glass.

FIFY
31 posted on 07/17/2011 3:54:39 AM PDT by Kozak ("It's not an Election it's a Restraining Order" .....PJ O'Rourke)
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To: LibWhacker
If I had one word for these people, it would be "drama queens."

I guess that's two words. Sue me.

32 posted on 07/17/2011 4:43:01 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("America will cease to be great when America ceases to be good." -- Welcome to deToqueville.)
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To: LibWhacker

Great article. Thanks for posting.


33 posted on 07/17/2011 5:27:59 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: LibWhacker

Pakibabble.

Paki’s are inferior to Indians. Indians know it and Paki’s know it but never the less hate it. Being inferior raises animosity


34 posted on 07/17/2011 5:32:28 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: hellbender

“People need to read the whole article. Until both India and Pakistan adopt complete religious freedom, there is no hope for either of them.”

From what I’ve read of Islam the act of allowing religious freedom is itself blasphemous. Anyone who suggested it would be automatically subject to death from the “true believer” closest to him. Notice the author’s father was killed by his own bodyguard for defending a Christian accused of blasphemy. Just the un-Islamic act of defending someone of another faith is an automatic death sentence. Not a death sentence carried out by a government, mind you. Islam is the most “empowering” religion. If you consider yourself a true believer, you can enforce the death sentence, or caning or throwing acid, whenever you like. Imagine you’re a poor peasant. As long as you claim to be a true believer, you have all the power of a king. That’s one of Islam’s appeals to the masses; much more enticing than Communism.


35 posted on 07/17/2011 5:44:48 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: hellbender
Sad to hear that anyone claiming to be Christian would engage in violence.

Huh? Are Christians supposed to let Nazis rule the world?

36 posted on 07/17/2011 6:50:23 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Sonny M

Ravi Zacharias, one of the most prominent Evangelical evangelists, was born in India to a nominally Christian family, and his father was the Indian equivalent of Assistant Secretary of State. This is not something you would see in Pakistan, where his father instead might have been beheaded for not being Muslim.


37 posted on 07/17/2011 7:12:01 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: packrat35
Actually Indonesia has the most muslims in the world. I believe India is 2nd.

Thats right, I stand corrected. I'm not sure now, but I believe India may actually be dropping down the list soon, possibly to 3rd, at some point....Good for them, lol.

38 posted on 07/17/2011 8:19:08 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M
I'll gladly take the Hindus over the pseudo-christian Kennedy Democrats any day...
39 posted on 07/17/2011 8:34:32 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: hellbender
But most of the religious violence in India is against Christians.

Wrong... millions of Hindus were slaughtered by the Islamic invaders - -

...and after the end of the British Raj, hundreds of thousands of Hindus and Muslims tore each other to pieces with their bare hands, sticks, rocks and anything else they could manage to utilize...

40 posted on 07/17/2011 8:40:29 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: hellbender

And, by the way...

A lot of the so-called “Christian” missionaries in India are nothing but front groups for the Maoists.

And just like in this country, where we have “Christian” churches that are openly supporting faggot marriage, you should be careful to accept any notion that because someone slaps a “Christian” label on some new evil that we should all bow down before such nonsense.


41 posted on 07/17/2011 8:44:56 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: hellbender

Posts like your have given the Christians the reputation of being religious whacks. This article isn’t about what religious is superior.And whether you like it or not there will always be vast diversity of religions and belief systems in the world and that is a good thing.

And regardless of what you believe India already has religious freedom. And fact will all the religious freedom is Christianity is actually falling apart in US and Europe, Islam is the fast growing religion in these two places. Religious freedom is a two edged sword.


42 posted on 07/17/2011 9:38:53 AM PDT by ravager
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To: Clemenza

“Christianity has failed in much of Europe.”

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State-sponsored religion. By the same token, mosques in Iran are almost empty. The dictatorship of the mullahs has killed religion there. If Islam throughout the Middle East lost it’s government support you’d be amazed at how quickly this proselytizing, conquering force would become a footnote to history.


43 posted on 07/17/2011 9:55:14 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: James C. Bennett
"How do you explain Israel not converting wholesale to Christianity, then?"

It was their decision to reject Christ or not, just as it was the Muslim countries, which they do at their own peril.

They are all in the same boat in that regard, in that Christ will reject *them* when He returns.

44 posted on 07/17/2011 10:28:38 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: LibWhacker
"This army has been more harmful to Pakistan than to anybody else. It has consumed annually a quarter of the country's wealth, and enriched itself through a range of economic interests, from bakeries and shopping malls to huge property holdings."

Good post. Pakistan is dominated by the military that allows serving officers to work in private business and over 35,000 do so. The PakMil owns most of the golf courses and polo and cricket fields in Pakistan and is thew largest landholder in the country. The PakMil sits on every board of directors of any consequence of every business.

That is why Pakistan is a failed state, capitalism with a ruling class. China had a freer economy. They will always be a breeding ground for chaos and discontent, of training camps for every muslim hate group in the world.

45 posted on 07/17/2011 10:49:33 AM PDT by gandalftb
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To: Eleutheria5
Religious freedom in India was first abolished by the British, who suppressed the Thuggist cult and outlawed Satee

They didn't abolish the religion...they abolished criminal acts.

That's like saying that abolishing polygamy in Mormonism equates to abolishing Mormonism. Not so.

46 posted on 07/17/2011 12:22:37 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: livius
The British seem to have been very bad at dealing with the problem of Islam in their colonies

Actually, the British succeeding in ending Muslim dominance of the Indian sub-continent when they took over.

So much that in the end those elements of Islam hightailed it to Pakistan.

47 posted on 07/17/2011 12:25:26 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming

The Thuggist cult was completely abolished. Satee, while just a practice of Hinduism, was abolished. As you say, that was not the abolition of Hinduism, but it was the abolition of freedom of religion, in that people could not practice that part of their religion that the English disapproved of; i.e., criminal acts. Abolishing polygamy doesn’t abolish Mormonism, but it does outlaw an act sanctioned by Mormonism, so it is an assault on freedom of religion. So is the San Francisco circumcision ban, and the European shechita ban. Sometimes, freedom of religion doesn’t trump all other considerations, and we can argue over where and when and what.

But the bottom line is, British rule in India outlawed certain religious practices. The British did good. It is bad to strangle people and steal their money. It is bad to burn your wife alive.

It is also bad to wage holy wars to achieve world domination and convert everyone by the sword. That should definitely be outlawed. Whatever’s left of Islam if that practice is effectively suppressed is their lookout. If their faith falls apart once it’s restricted to doing the hokey poky towards Mecca, not eating pig meat, circumcising 13-year-olds, etc., then fine. But we do not have to tolerate attempts at world domination and/or genocide.


48 posted on 07/17/2011 2:30:27 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today)
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To: Sonny M
Indonesia is in first place, followed by Pakistan, then India, then Bangladesh.

Calculating from the figures in the World Almanac 2011, the figures are approximately (in millions):

Indonesia 209
Pakistan 178
India 153
Bangladesh 130

49 posted on 07/17/2011 2:50:26 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

I stand corrected, thanx.


50 posted on 07/17/2011 3:29:36 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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