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Texas spending kept rising for years with Perry as governor [Figures don't lie, but liars...]
Star-Telegram ^ | July 16, 2011 | Aman Batheja,

Posted on 07/17/2011 2:28:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Gov. Rick Perry's political stock has soared in recent months as he has traveled the country touting a decade of fiscal restraint in Texas under his leadership. Last month, Perry made Texas history by signing a two-year state budget that cuts overall spending for the first time in over 40 years.

Perry has long promoted the state's fiscal record as a model for the country and a key to why Texas has weathered the recession better than most other states. He has opposed new taxes and been vehemently anti-Washington, and his message is drawing interest among Republican primary voters nationwide.

Yet before the latest one, the Texas budget had consistently grown during Perry's time as governor, with total spending rising faster than inflation and population growth, state data show.

....Fed largely by state taxes and fees, general revenue has typically made up roughly half the Texas budget. It's the part of the budget that lawmakers spend most of their time arguing over during legislative sessions. Much of the rest of the budget is tied by provisions in federal law and the Texas Constitution.

When general revenue spending is examined by itself, the trends match better with the fiscal conservative image that Perry promotes. Though general revenue spending has grown with nearly every budget since Perry took office, it actually fell over the last decade an average of 0.6 percent every two years once those numbers are adjusted for inflation and the state's booming population growth. It rose during Bush's tenure.

"Obviously fiscal restraint is always something the governor has made a priority...He's the only Texas governor since World War II that has cut general revenue spending."

That distinction is one that Perry has touted repeatedly in recent years, from campaign commercials to the biography on the governor's office website..........

(Excerpt) Read more at star-telegram.com ...


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Three budget terms used in the article: TOTAL SPENDING -- OVERALL SPENDING -- GENERAL REVENUE.

The GENERAL REVENUE (the 1/2 that Perry has some sway over) has dropped.

And this year, Perry and the GOP legislature (in a recession and lost revenue; with inflation and population boom) cut OVERALL spending for the first time in over 40 years for the 1012-1013 Texas budget.

FEDERAL funding makes up 1/3 of OVERALL spending. The state's GENERAL REVENUE makes up 1/2 of OVERALL spending. The Texas Constitution regulates the remaining 1/6 of OVERALL spending, which = TOTAL SPENDING

I say the MSM HEADLINE making the rounds was written to deceive and that the length of the article was meant to bury facts.

As my mother would tell me, "Figures don't lie but liars can figure."

Rick Perry has cut government spending in Texas and the MSM has written a headline to lie about it.

1 posted on 07/17/2011 2:28:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perhaps thier goal was simply to confuse the issue, at which they have generally totally succeeded in an overall manner.


2 posted on 07/17/2011 2:39:51 AM PDT by BRK
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To: BRK

You got it.

Headline = lie by omission.

Article written to confuse, so reader goes with the headline soundbite.


3 posted on 07/17/2011 2:43:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
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CORRECTION:

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4 posted on 07/17/2011 3:04:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

We know for certain who Obama and the Socialists are scared to death to run against: Perry, Bachman, Palin...hhhhmmmmmmm!


5 posted on 07/17/2011 3:05:21 AM PDT by veritas2002
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To: veritas2002

It’s going to be one LIE after another coming from the MSM in order to support their president, who Drudge is reporting has 42% approval (I’m sure that’s a number created to favor him).


6 posted on 07/17/2011 3:09:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Check the author of this hit piece: Aman Batheja joined the Star-Telegram in 2003 and has covered local and state politics since 2006. He is originally from New York but finds Texas politics more entertaining.
7 posted on 07/17/2011 3:10:08 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Interesting word “entertaining.”

The MSM creatively writes the script they plan to showcase in their misleading headlines.

He certainly is a creative fellow.

Ah, to be a fly on the wall when Aman Batheja decided which word to drop, which switcheroo to employ, what to emphasize, and what to sweep into a pile of confusion - a true MSM artist and craftsman of spin and deceit.

No doubt he’ll be honored with an award from his MSM cohorts for his “in-depth” “news” coverage of Rick Perry.


8 posted on 07/17/2011 3:19:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Two questions.
First, what percent of the spending was due to Perry's
open border policies?

Second,the article says,
"In the final months of the 2000 presidential election,
then-Vice President Al Gore pointed to the growth of
the Texas budget under Bush to argue that he and President
Bill Clinton had more experience at reducing the size of government."


The RINO Perry WORKED with Al Gore before Karl Rove
transformed him to RINO du jour.

Did the RINO Perry really WORK with Al Gore to hurt Pres. Bush's
re-election, too, as the article suggests?


9 posted on 07/17/2011 3:23:29 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I have had problems in January occasionally, remembering the year. I have never had a problem getting the correct millennium!
10 posted on 07/17/2011 3:41:28 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Diogenesis
Nice try troll.

Gov. Rick Perry has worked to secure the 1300 mile INTERNATIONAL border Texas shares with Mexico. The Feds ignore us. So Texans spend about $100 Million a year of OUR state tax revenue toward protecting an INTERNATIONAL border that should be secured with Federal funds.

Al Gore was a conservative southern democrat (I've given links and text to support the facts) when Rick Perry was a conservative TX democrat and supported him in the 1988 Democrat primary (which Mike Dukakis won/lost)

Phil Gramm, Rick Perry and other TX democrats switched to the GOP in the 80s (Perry 1989). Phil Gramm switched in 1983 and aggressively courted conservative democrats to switch sides (I've given links and text to support the facts).

Karl Rove worked on Rick Perry's 1st campaign for TX Agriculture Commissioner (1989). Since then Rove has not worked with Perry, and in fact has been an annoying thorn in Rick Perry's side (I've given links and text to support the facts).

11 posted on 07/17/2011 3:43:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tdscpa

LOL!

A big “oops!”


12 posted on 07/17/2011 3:43:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cincinatus' Wife (PerryBOT):
"Al Gore was a conservative southern democrat
(I've given links and text to support the facts) ..."

Yes. Of course Gore was a "conservative".
Like you. Like Rick Perry.
What could more 'conservative' than the cult of
human-caused global warming.

Are you sure that you are at the right web site?

13 posted on 07/17/2011 3:49:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Diogenesis
Did the RINO Perry really WORK with Al Gore to hurt Pres. Bush's re-election, too, as the article suggests?

Sorry troll, didn't mean to ignore that piece of BS you threw up against the wall.

You're wasting your talents. You could easily get a job writing for the MSM. It suits you.

EVEN this article suggests no such thing (you've outdone yourself).

14 posted on 07/17/2011 3:49:03 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Diogenesis
Yes. Of course Gore was a "conservative". Like you. Like Rick Perry. What could more 'conservative' than the cult of human-caused global warming.

Hi again troll.

Rick Perry: Al Gore's gone to Hell

Perry does not believe there is valid scientific proof of anthropogenic global warming. He has said several times that there is no scientific consensus on the issue.

On September 7, 2007 Perry gave a speech to California Republicans. He said, "Virtually every day another scientist leaves the global warming bandwagon. ... But you won't read about that in the press because they have already invested in one side of the story."

**************

And Diogenesis is invested in Sarah Palin running in 2012. And will not forgive me for posting Perry information and not still posting Palin threads.

15 posted on 07/17/2011 3:52:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Proud_texan; RKBA Democrat; SamuraiScot; grey_whiskers; truthfreedom
The article implies that (although it does not
mention the Rove origin of the RINO Perry) just
as your post indicates that YOU purport
that Al Gore is a 'conservative'.

Rick Perry is an "Al Gore"-type Conservative (per Cincinatus' WifeP
16 posted on 07/17/2011 3:53:06 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Diogenesis
Conservative

You left off the "southern democrat" part, troll.

......."During his time in Congress, [Al] Gore was considered a "moderate" (he referred to himself as a "raging moderate") opposing federal funding of abortion, voting in favor of a bill which supported a moment in silence in schools, and voting against a ban on interstate sales of guns. His position as a moderate (and on policies related to that label) shifted later in life after he became Vice President and ran for president in 2000…”…… Source

17 posted on 07/17/2011 4:12:53 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Cincinatus' Wife (PerryBOT):
"Al Gore was a conservative southern democrat
(I've given links and text to support the facts) ..."

Yes. Of course Gore was a "conservative". ROTFLOL, VL.

It will be very helpful in the present and future
for FReepers to understand that you (and Rick Perry?)
call Al Gore (Southern Democrat) a "conservative".

18 posted on 07/17/2011 4:16:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So is your glass half full, half empty, or as engineers argue, twice as big as it needs to be?

Perry has his issues that smack of the same go-along-to-get-along problems we have continually had with the squishy pubbies in DC. If he has any inclination to be a part of the establishment club, off to the showers with his campaign.


19 posted on 07/17/2011 4:31:23 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Diogenesis

Hey, everybody running has some non-conservative skeletons in their closet. Take Palin, for instance - she helps a RINO to beat a solid conservative in the 2010 AZ Senate race, she supports the sovereignty destroying LOST treaty, she’s been, ah, less than opposed to illegal immigration herself in the past, and she’s selectively for massive taxes on oil companies when it’s her particular state that’s getting the revenue.


20 posted on 07/17/2011 5:07:04 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One could argue, as some have with Pawlenty, that maybe Perry offloaded some spending to cities and counties.

I am not a Perry supporter, but he looks good on this one, because:

1. The population of Texas has grown substantially during the period in question.

2. Texas also absorbed the brunt of refugees from hurricane Katrina. Another state (Illinois, Connecticut, New York, California) would not have had the means to do so. This did mean some significant expenditures. Some stayed, and that means a further increase in population.

3. Obama has done whatever he can to minimize Texas’ receipts (including denying a slam-dunk FEMA case) for the last two years.


21 posted on 07/17/2011 5:15:03 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Skeletons to the degree Former Al Gore democrat Perry carries are unacceptable.

Period.


22 posted on 07/17/2011 5:42:13 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MrEdd

I disagree.

I’m not exactly sold on Trans-Texas Rick, but stuff he did in the late 1980s while still a conservative Democrat (you know, like Ronald Reagan, Phil Gramm, and pretty much any Southern politician prior to 1990 were...) doesn’t really tell me much.


23 posted on 07/17/2011 5:49:38 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry may be just like the other Texas rino who Obama replaced.


24 posted on 07/17/2011 5:51:58 AM PDT by kindred (Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies.)
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To: MrEdd
Period.

Honestly, what I find much more unacceptable is Sarah Palin helping an abject RINO like McCain win the primary in 2010over a solid conservative like J.D. Hayworth, when whoever the GOP nominated would have basically had a gimme in the general election.

That's awful close to being a complete deal-killer for me.

25 posted on 07/17/2011 5:52:17 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Armed forces abroad are of little value unless there is prudent counsel at home." - Cicero)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Sarah’s support McCain was a bummer, but she really had no choice on that. I kninda liked Al Gore back in the day, but he gone off the progressive cliff. Trying to tag Perry with Al Gore just won’t work.


26 posted on 07/17/2011 6:02:25 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Hi TQC.

Thanks for making your comments.


27 posted on 07/17/2011 6:13:29 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jpsb

Sarah Palin DID have a choice, and it’s just wrong to say otherwise. No one held a gun on her or her family. She could have finished her term as governor.


28 posted on 07/17/2011 6:15:17 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: Diogenesis

Yeah!!!! And how did you forget mean ol rick makin 3 year old little girls take that poison GUARDISIL?

PDS coyote ..... Yep Yep Yep


29 posted on 07/17/2011 6:42:14 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: kindred
Perry may be just like the other Texas rino who Obama replaced.

No, I actually voted for that other rino for governor because even with his faults, I never questioned his conservativeness as governor. I never voted for perry because as soon as he took office, he was too progressive for me.

It's real nice to read all these perry accolades, but it isn't what we felt when things went down. Yes, he occasionally found the nut the blind squirrel was looking for. That's why he was always considered the lesser of two evils when election time came around - just as he would be against the kenyan.

After reading the glossy picture of him presented in all this daily perry spam, I guess the opinion formed of perry by event after event over all these years must be wrong.

30 posted on 07/17/2011 6:48:41 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Approximately 80% of the Texas State Budget is spent in two areas: Education and Health Human Resources. A lot of those dollars are mandated in some form or another with little discretion in how they are used.

The following is a good review of the budget issued by Sen. Dan Patrick.

http://franklincountytexasgop.blogspot.com/2011/03/senator-dan-patrick-explains-texas.html


31 posted on 07/17/2011 7:09:16 AM PDT by deport
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To: farmguy
After reading the glossy picture of him presented in all this daily perry spam, I guess the opinion formed of perry by event after event over all these years must be wrong.

Please tell me who I should consider as the BEST GOP Primary candidate to face off against Obama?

32 posted on 07/17/2011 7:18:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Even after that explanation I am still confused, CW. Can you explain it to me like I’m a 4 year old?


33 posted on 07/17/2011 7:19:41 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Even after that explanation I am still confused, CW. Can you explain it to me like I’m a 4 year old?


34 posted on 07/17/2011 7:19:53 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: deport

Thank you deport.

I read it all and have archived the link.

Very understandable information and numbers.


35 posted on 07/17/2011 7:29:01 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Recovering_Democrat
LOL

Let me tell you Perry's formula:

Don't spend all the money.

Have a fair and predictable tax and regulatory policy.

Have a legal system that does not allow for over suing and make it so that loser pays.

******

AND as Perry and Haley put it in their OpEd Break the spend-and-borrow cycle - Thursday, July 14, 2011 - “As governors of states whose residents, like all Americans, are desperate for the restoration of fiscal responsibility in Washington, we are proud to have signed the Cut, Cap and Balance Pledge amid the debate over once again raising the federal debt ceiling.

We oppose an increase in the federal debt limit unless three common-sense conditions are met: substantial cuts in spending; enforceable spending caps to put the country on a path to a balanced budget; and congressional passage of a balanced-budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution. That amendment should include a requirement for a congressional supermajority to approve any raises in taxes."

36 posted on 07/17/2011 7:41:34 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is giving credit where it is only marginally due.

The legislature controls state spending. That legislature is increasingly conservative and Perry benefits from that.

37 posted on 07/17/2011 7:47:19 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
First:

Who I do or do not support has nothing to do with the fact that since becoming governor, perry has repeatedly talked conservative and acted progressive. perry talks even more conservative around election time and even though the "good ole boys" play it up, folks see through it. Up until the last election perry had not even won the governorship with a majority, only a plurality. Had the dims ran someone against perry that wasn't a crackpot, they probably would have taken the governorship back. The things that you dismiss, after the fact, were big things to Texans when they went down and what you are doing is trying to rewrite the history that we lived through. I know what I and others thought of these things as they went down. Your articles and "facts" won't change that.

But, since I'm not ashamed to say who I like:

Right now, even with her affinity towards rinos like mccain, perry, and fiorina, Palin is my first choice. I like Bachmann too, but Palin looks more Reaganesque and is winning the media battle.(indeed, she is having her way with the msm)

When Palin picks perry as a running mate (and she will), I will move my support to the person I find to be the best candidate at the time, be they Republican or third party.

As I said before, a Palin ticket will carry Texas, but when she picks perry to be vp, she will do it without my support (and I do support the candidate of my choice with money and actions).

38 posted on 07/17/2011 8:01:04 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: Carry_Okie; deport
That is true. And in addition, Rick Perry has appointed a lot of people in the last decade who have strengthened the state and given him more influence over state government.

This is a good article about how the schools don't like the "cuts" (not the INCREASE they expected, so it's called a cut) and will sue, again. Ah, yes the courts. The Left's way to over rule the voters and their representatives in order to grow government.

When you know how the msm writes, and you know how to read between the lines, how to pop in those needed words the msm omits, this article says a lot. Schools poised to sue over funding 'mess' -- Courts are the only option after massive cuts by Legislature, educators say"

39 posted on 07/17/2011 8:02:04 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: farmguy
So if I follow your post correctly, your crystal ball shows your favorite, Palin, winning and choosing Perry as her VP (because she is winning the media battle-having her way with them and is Reaganesque) and when she does that (because you dislike Perry), you will go third party.

I gather you let her know that.

40 posted on 07/17/2011 8:11:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Recovering_Democrat; All

Great 2 minute “Obama compliant media” slap-down.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/07/15/charles-krauthammer-accuses-press-accepting-every-leak-out-white-hous#ixzz1SKiNeiSS


41 posted on 07/17/2011 8:21:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This is a good article about how the schools don't like the "cuts" (not the INCREASE they expected, so it's called a cut) and will sue, again. Ah, yes the courts. The Left's way to over rule the voters and their representatives in order to grow government.

End public schools. There is a way.

42 posted on 07/17/2011 8:46:42 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Clara Lou
I don't recall any major Republicans endorsing Hayworth. I'm also far from certain Hayworth would have won a general election. Aside from his flaws, we're speaking of a candidate who lost his reelection bid for the House by a big number.

Why should Palin have finished her term as Governor under the circumstances? You do realize that had she and her State were under continuous attack by the Left, and that the RNC and Party bigwigs offered no support or help.

Critics love to point to Palin’s resignation as a disqualification for her becoming President. As a Conservative, I'm grateful she did resign in order to become the leading voice of Conservative values, speaking out against the Obama policies (when no others would) and creating history with the huge Conservative gains in the 2010 elections. Had she remained as Governor, it's possible we wouldn't control the House currently.

As for Perry, he does trend Conservative, yet does have issues with arguing against the Stimulus while accepting Stimulus funds to balance the Texas budget. Worse, the illegal immigration problem in Texas has increased since he became Governor.

I don't know why Perry didn't voice any desire to become President until recently. Is it at the urging of a Republican establishment? If so, what's the price of accepting their support? Time will tell.

43 posted on 07/17/2011 8:55:56 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I gather you let her know that.

You betcha

(at least through the part about her losing my vote by choosing perry as VP)

44 posted on 07/17/2011 9:04:59 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: farmguy

So I gleaned the essence of your post correctly.

A long way around the barn farmguy.

You’re a Sarah Palin supporter. Fine.

I don’t make a habit of making the rounds to other threads to undercut potential GOP conservative primary candidates.


45 posted on 07/17/2011 9:22:57 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Carry_Okie
A lot of thought, common sense and good ideas in that essay.

Thank you for linking it to the thread.

Big Education (as all big government) becomes unresponsive to all but Big Government growth.

Rick Perry has pushed the idea of textbooks online.

Some more LINKS to add: Perry's education record distinctly different from Bush's

Higher Education Coalition attack on [Texas Gov. Rick] Perry raises eyebrows

[Texas Education Agency] TEA to lay off 178 workers [Thousands of pink slips for state workers] [great Freeper discussion about education then and now]

Gov. Perry: Veterans’ Experiences, Skills are Valuable to Our Workforce "The knowledge and skills our veterans bring back from service are an important, and all too often untapped, resource for our communities," Gov. Perry said. "While we can never fully thank them for their service to our nation, I'm proud to sign this important bill, which helps veterans and military service members transition to civilian life by applying their skills and experience to help them graduate more quickly and save money on tuition."

46 posted on 07/17/2011 9:29:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
A lot of thought, common sense and good ideas in that essay.

I don't just throw rocks. I write serious proposals for how conservative ideas can work in nearly every field thought to be the exclusive province of government, whether education, environment, transportation, defense, or social welfare. The lack of workable conservative alternatives in public discourse simply maddens me. You can read more, particularly on environmental issues, here and here. For a book on the original Biblical system of national defense, social welfare, and civil comity, lost for over 3,000 years, try this one.

Here is where I differ with a politician like Rick Perry. His ideas revolve around "the same thing, only less." They are not innovative or intelligently directed. They are merely compromises on leftist ideas that center further right than most. Even his hispandering is a mere play for power.

So what?

The marketplace offers alternatives that are fundamentally transformational, yet they somehow never become the point of debate. These are what we should be advancing, rather than Moonbeam ideas like "less is more."

47 posted on 07/17/2011 9:42:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

His ideas revolve around “the same thing, only less.”
###

You’re right. He is what Lee Atwater used to call a “Me Too Republican”.


48 posted on 07/17/2011 9:50:39 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So I gleaned the essence of your post correctly. A long way around the barn farmguy. You’re a Sarah Palin supporter. Fine. I don’t make a habit of making the rounds to other threads to undercut potential GOP conservative primary candidates.

No.

I went to lengths to show that I wasn't advocating anyone that at this point I only have a preference. I could tell my your disingenuous synopsis of my words that you were trying to twist it into something I didn't say. I could tell you were creating a strawman.

Since it seems to be too difficult for the perry good ole boys to understand, I'll spell it out: perry is a deal killer

49 posted on 07/17/2011 10:10:01 AM PDT by farmguy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

the Fort Worthless Star Telegram is almost as bad as the Dallas Morning News. Both papers hate Perry.

I like Perry. He’s done a lot of good things and would have done more except we have a Rino Senate.

I think he would make a great VP for Palin. Ryan is my first choice but Perry might be more popular.


50 posted on 07/17/2011 10:18:18 AM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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