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How many lawmakers does it take to...(Make incandescent light bulbs illegal)
Boston Globe ^ | 07/15/2011 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 07/17/2011 9:49:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

IN 5½ months, the sale of traditional 100-watt incandescent light bulbs will become illegal in the United States. Twelve months later, the same fate will befall most 75-watt incandescents, and one year after that, conventional 60- and 40-watt bulbs will be gone as well. Thomas Edison’s world-changing invention is one of the most enduringly popular products ever created - something so useful, so dependable, and so cheap that over the course of more than a century, consumers bought them by the billions. Yet thanks to a federal law that relatively few Americans knew anything about when it was passed by Congress and signed by George W. Bush in 2007, the familiar light bulb is about to be banned.

Americans certainly know about that law now. On paper, its purpose is to increase energy efficiency by requiring that bulbs produce more light per watt. But by setting the new standards higher than the common incandescent can reach, the law’s real-world effect is to deprive most Americans of the freedom to buy the light bulbs they prefer. Instead, they will be forced to spend more money for fragile halogen bulbs or for the swirled compact fluorescent lamps (CFLs) that have been around for decades but that most consumers have never wanted to buy.

The looming ban has stoked grassroots outrage, especially on the right. Presidential candidate Michele Bachman draws cheers and applause when she tells Republican audiences: “President Bachmann will allow you to buy any light bulb you want.’’ Last week, a bill repealing the light bulb mandates was put to a vote in the House of Representatives; it won a majority (233-193), with nearly every Republican favoring repeal and nearly every Democrat opposed. Since two-thirds support was needed for passage, the 2007 law remains intact.

For now.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bulbs; cfl; congress; incandescentbulbs; lightbulbs

1 posted on 07/17/2011 9:49:09 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How many Congressmen does it take to unscrew incandescent light bulbs? :-)


2 posted on 07/17/2011 9:52:39 AM PDT by sourcery (If true=false, then there would be no constraints on what is possible. Hence, the world exists.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Edison discovered how to make a practicable AND marketable lightbulb ~ like many others of his time did ~ but he went one step further. He standardized his power production facilities and produced bulbs that met those standards.
3 posted on 07/17/2011 9:53:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Do you or anyone know the reasoning behind the banning of the incandescent bulb?


4 posted on 07/17/2011 9:55:12 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

And all the mercury-polluting CFL bulbs are made in China, because our environmentalists don’t care about fouling China’s water and killing the workers manufacturing these dangerous bulbs. Environmentalists are hypocrites who really don’t care about that part of the Earth.


5 posted on 07/17/2011 9:59:59 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: SeekAndFind

The same reason for the banning of FREON — money, geld, d’argent, moolah, flooss.

Sheesh folks, some people will get very rich by promoting CFL bulbs. Ever seen a poor congresscritter?


6 posted on 07/17/2011 10:02:45 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: SeekAndFind

Higher profits for Ubama’s buddies at GE. Also less freedom. And the global warming idiocy.


7 posted on 07/17/2011 10:05:29 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lucky me. I just found two old boxes of Westinghouse 100W bug bulbs, 1970’s vintage I guess. Wonder what they are worth?


8 posted on 07/17/2011 10:08:02 AM PDT by bvw
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To: All

Should I call Sotheby’s?


9 posted on 07/17/2011 10:09:26 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw

Put ‘em up for bid...proceeds go to the freepathon!


10 posted on 07/17/2011 10:13:31 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Proud to be a (small) monthly donor.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If this “republican” house can’t fix the lightbulb ban, how are they going to fix Obamacare .. no hope with this crowd. They should have done this their first week in office.


11 posted on 07/17/2011 10:15:33 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: SeekAndFind
Why was it banned?

Just ill-informed Congressmen sitting around one day saying to each other "Let's stir the pot" so they banned them.

You have to understand that the United States lighting requirement is met mostly through the widespread installation of fluorescent lighting systems ~ and that has been the case since the early 1950s.

Incandescent lights consume such a small part of the national power production they are and have been IRRELEVANT for a very long time.

Only by claiming that all incandescents were in an on state 24/7 were their analysts to come up with a projected savings of $21.33 per year for each person. Since most incandescents are actually NEVER ON most informed analysts suggest that the maximum feasible savings would be more like 1% of that, or less than a quarter dollar per year, and that assumed that you would purchase and use only the most efficient fluorescent lights possible. As it turns out in heavy use in the home fluorescent lights don't take well to being turned on and off all the time, nor do they stand up well to WET ENVIRONMENTS ~ when they are in close proximity to the "wet".

So any savings are probably ephemeral at best, and might even be LOSSES.

Congressmen are, when you get right down to it, innumerate.

12 posted on 07/17/2011 10:18:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind

How many Kennedy’s does it take to screw in a new bulb?

One to hold the bulb, and several others to drink enough to get the room to spin.


13 posted on 07/17/2011 10:27:50 AM PDT by umgud
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To: SeekAndFind

They should have started with 1500 watt toasters. They are terribly inefficient light bulbs. /s

Since electric heating is still legal, why don’t they make it legal to sell bulbs if we promise only to use them in cold weather, since the excess heat warms our houses? /s


14 posted on 07/17/2011 10:32:05 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: muawiyah
Since most incandescents are actually NEVER ON

Please explain.

15 posted on 07/17/2011 10:35:46 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Your bedroom. Your kids' bedrooms. Your basement. Your kitchen when you're not in it. And so on. How about that light in the shed? Is it on?
16 posted on 07/17/2011 10:51:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Right Wing Assault
We walked into the Penney's clearance center one day and they had these Infrared toasters on sale for $5.00.

That's what we use. They are not only inefficient "light bulbs", you absolutely cannot read by them for anything!

17 posted on 07/17/2011 10:53:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Right Wing Assault
Since electric heating is still legal, why don’t they make it legal to sell bulbs if we promise only to use them in cold weather, since the excess heat warms our houses? /s

Saw story about a German sell bulbs for that purpose. Seems Germany is ahead of the USA on the light bulb time table.

Skirting EU law: The rebranding of incandescent bulbs as 'Heat Balls'

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/energy/blogs/skirting-eu-law-the-rebranding-of-incandescent-bulbs-as-heat-balls

18 posted on 07/17/2011 10:57:04 AM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: SeekAndFind
One word: enviroweenies. They believe that these new bulbs will save so much energy that the earth will be saved. Hollywood types got on the band wagon.

I never heard one report on TV or radio that explained that it would take a ton of earth to counteract the mercury pollution caused by one light bulb. Just wait until all that mercury hits the landfills!

Course in the real world, there is always a story, such as GE profiting by producing these bulbs in China, just like all their other “green” projects. Follow the money and you will no doubt figure out why Congress critters allowed themselves to be “convinced” to vote for such a travesty.

19 posted on 07/17/2011 11:08:51 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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20 posted on 07/17/2011 11:19:42 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Screw the polar bears, I want my incandescent light bulbs. The best light for reading or for looking at LCD computer screen


21 posted on 07/17/2011 11:21:59 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: muawiyah
You highlighted NEVER. I thought you were being literal.

True, a lot of bulbs are RARELY on, but in our house the ones that are on are on a long time each day. As we got older, the lights started going on earlier in the evenings. I have not had problems with CFL bulbs. We get the warm color ones. The batch I put in the house we moved to 3 1/2 years ago are still fine. Even the ones in the bath that get flipped on and off much more often.

I don't use them everywhere, such as outdoors and places they might get broken more easily such as the basement and the 'shed' (800 sf), but I tend to use the old 4-foot fluorescent tubes there.

I don't want to be forced to use them. But if I feel they are working well for me, I'll use them. Some folks assume it as their duty to hate anything and everything the gummint forces on them. If they 'made' us eat our favorite foods, there are people (yes, even FReepers!) who would stop eating them and live on lawn clippings and mud.

22 posted on 07/17/2011 12:01:42 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yet thanks to a federal law that relatively few Americans knew anything about when it was passed by Congress and signed by George W. Bush in 2007, the familiar light bulb is about to be banned.

That figures. Another screw-up by Jr Bush, the liberal Republican.

“President Bachmann will allow you to buy any light bulb you want.

Isn't that precious. Someone in DC will "allow" us a small modicum of freedom of choice. She sounds like Hillary.

23 posted on 07/17/2011 12:33:41 PM PDT by Sarajevo (The only reason I would take up walking is so that I could hear heavy breathing again.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In a failing economy I welcome a new black market opportunity.


24 posted on 07/17/2011 12:55:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We need 100 watt bulbs for use in the barn. Nothing else will do. I bought some at Wal Mart yesterday. They were made by GE in Mexico. Gone up in price too. Guess I’ll have to stockpile.


25 posted on 07/17/2011 12:57:57 PM PDT by mickie
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To: Right Wing Assault; muawiyah
"Since most incandescents are actually NEVER ON"

muawiyah is being literal. Perhaps he could have worded his statement better. "The majority of incandescent bulbs are not on at any given time." As he said; the projections for energy savings was calculated by assuming that all incandescents are on all of the time. That is literally not true and almost the opposite is.

26 posted on 07/17/2011 1:09:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: SeekAndFind; Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; ...

Nanny State PING!


27 posted on 07/23/2011 7:22:47 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (DWS: A communist propagandist under a big mound of hair)
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To: sourcery
How many Congressmen does it take to unscrew incandescent light bulbs their employers, the American public?

We KNOW they can screw us, they've proven that time and time again, but they can never quite seem to unscrew us.....

28 posted on 07/23/2011 7:38:45 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dennisw
Screw the polar bears, I want my incandescent light bulbs.

Tough. The New Deal Commerce Clause says Congress can dictate what light bulbs will be available.

29 posted on 07/23/2011 7:40:47 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: SeekAndFind
Do you or anyone know the reasoning behind the banning of the incandescent bulb?

It's cheap, contains no toxins, it serves it's intended purpose, and it WAS made in America. Associated with conservatism which shares all those characteristics, it was a natural target for liberals/appeasers like Congressional Democrats and President Bush.

30 posted on 07/23/2011 7:41:14 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Some folks assume it as their duty to hate anything and everything the gummint forces on them. If they 'made' us eat our favorite foods, there are people (yes, even FReepers!) who would stop eating them and live on lawn clippings and mud.

Damn right! If someone makes a decision for you that they lack the moral and legal authority to make, are you NOT obligated by principle to do the opposite of what they mandate?

31 posted on 07/23/2011 7:43:24 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: muawiyah
Congressmen are, when you get right down to it, innumerate.

It wouldn't matter if they WERE right for the first time ever on the merits...this issue is simply beyond their jurisdiction.

32 posted on 07/23/2011 7:45:43 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Ken H

You keep coming back like a bad penny.


33 posted on 07/23/2011 8:02:58 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: dennisw
I just happen to like that pesky original Commerce Clause.
34 posted on 07/23/2011 8:52:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
I just happen to like that pesky original Commerce Clause.

So does everyone (except the fascist statists in power who like to have sex with their mothers, dogs, and mothers' dogs). So why do you keep stumping for the new statist commie liar's version?

35 posted on 07/23/2011 8:59:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking
So why do you keep stumping for the new statist commie liar's version?

???

36 posted on 07/23/2011 9:16:04 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Our major corporations have national and transnational reach these days. The USG is just another corporation with Obama flying around in its corporate jet and you are nuts enough to think the USG is doing to be reduced to its peasant status of 1787? I would still get rid of numerous Federale agencies that serve no purpose and some that are destructive such as the EPA, EEOC, Department of Education.

The 10th is great but one must have some perceptive. If you are on a libertarian crusade, knock yourself out


37 posted on 07/23/2011 9:33:48 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: Ken H
You said "Tough. The New Deal Commerce Clause says Congress can dictate what light bulbs will be available."

Did you mean that literally (and that's not a stupid question, some FReepers would)? If so, that's stumping. If it's a Devil's advocate way of saying those big-government fascists need to get shoved back into the shit-filled box from whence they crawled and the CC returned to its original purpose, I'm with you and apologize for misunderstanding your post.

38 posted on 07/23/2011 10:12:19 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: dennisw
Our major corporations have national and transnational reach these days. The USG is just another corporation with Obama flying around in its corporate jet and you are nuts enough to think the USG is doing to be reduced to its peasant status of 1787?

That's an interesting characterization of the Republic crafted by the Founders.

I would still get rid of numerous Federale agencies that serve no purpose and some that are destructive such as the EPA, EEOC, Department of Education.

Unfortunately, by endorsing the New Deal Commerce Clause, you have endorsed the constitutionality of those agencies.

The 10th is great but one must have some perceptive.

If a politician said, "The Second Amendment is great but one must have some perspective", he'd be scorned by everyone here for the gun-grabbing scoundrel that he is.

Those who say the same about the 10th Amendment should receive just as much scorn.

39 posted on 07/23/2011 10:16:24 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Still Thinking
We're on the same team:)
40 posted on 07/23/2011 10:44:03 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

Remain in denial. You never address how major corporations (businesses) have extended since 1787. Only how the Federal Gov’t has. You are one dimensional, but do carry on! Better to have tunnel vision than none at all.


41 posted on 07/23/2011 10:59:26 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: dennisw
If the original Commerce Clause is inadequate to address the issue of corporate extension, then do the honorable thing and amend the Constitution as the Founders intended.

It is cheating to violate its original meaning in order to use it for purposes not intended by the Founders. Cheating is dishonorable.

42 posted on 07/23/2011 11:25:28 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H

B R O K E N
R E C O R D

You are Obama’s best friend with your all or nothing purity but it sure makes you feel better. Meanwhile back in the real world real people find judicial work arounds of the Commerce Clause and don’t spend years in futile quests to amend the Constitution. But why should you care since you live on Fantasy Island


43 posted on 07/23/2011 11:44:16 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: SeekAndFind

Do you or anyone know the reasoning behind the banning of the incandescent bulb?
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It is so GE and a couple of other corporations can make more money and pay off more corrupt politicians.


44 posted on 07/23/2011 11:56:56 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: dennisw
In a way, it is an academic argument. When austerity hits for real, your welfare/nanny state will be in jeopardy.

I, for one, will enjoy the spectacle as Enviro-Nazis and their Drug Warrior soulmates get thrown under the bus.

45 posted on 07/24/2011 12:03:50 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: SeekAndFind
How many lawmakers does it take to...(Make incandescent light bulbs illegal)

Title reminds me of this commercial:

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop? Let's find out....One, Two...crunch....Three....It takes Three

46 posted on 07/24/2011 9:05:16 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Agenda21: Dept. of Life, Dept. of Liberty and the Dept. of Happiness)
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To: Ken H

“I just happen to like that pesky original Commerce Clause.”

After reading your profile, I’ll not jump to conclusions. Please offer further explanation of this statement that you made. I’d like to better understand your position.


47 posted on 07/25/2011 8:58:11 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Ken H

“I, for one, will enjoy the spectacle as Enviro-Nazis and their Drug Warrior soulmates get thrown under the bus.”

OK, after further reading I have realized that we are on the same page. No need to answer my previous post.


48 posted on 07/25/2011 9:03:16 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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