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Michele Bachmann Should Not 'Get a Pass' on Past Membership in Anti-Catholic Church
Catholic Online ^ | 7/17/2011 | Deacon Keith A. Fournier

Posted on 07/17/2011 1:06:48 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads

The news and blogosphere is filled with responses to the July 14, 2011 story by Joshua Green, the Senior Editor of the Atlantic, entitled "Michele Bachmann's Church Says the Pope Is the Antichrist." That is because it raises a serious matter which should not be taken lightly, and one which the candidate must address. First, let me share some personal context. I am what is often called a "revert" to the Catholic Church, someone who returned to the Church of my childhood after a long search for the truth. I love being a Catholic Christian. I hold an undergraduate degree and a master's degree in Catholic theology. I am a dissertation away from obtaining a PhD in Catholic Moral Theology. I am also a member of the Clergy, a Deacon. However, I write this article as a private and very concerned citizen.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antichrist; bachmann; bachmann4obama; catholic; catholicism; catholics; catholics4obama; frfullofsleepers; michelebachmann; palin; papism; sarahpalin
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To: Brices Crossroads

THIS IS TERRIBLE

Lets let the muslim kenyan stay in office


2 posted on 07/17/2011 1:08:26 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Brices Crossroads

Ah, Jeez...


3 posted on 07/17/2011 1:10:45 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Brices Crossroads

If Keith Fournier, a very prominent Catholic (who, by the way, supports Rick Santorum, not Sarah Palin) and Bill Donohue of the Catholic League are calling on Michele Bachmann to explain her membership in such a church, she had better pay attention to it. This is not going away.


4 posted on 07/17/2011 1:11:03 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: Mr. K

No one is more anti-catholic than pro-life, pro-homosexual, fetus-harvesting Obama and his minions like the Governor of NY. Thanks for the post.


5 posted on 07/17/2011 1:11:58 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Mr. K

“THIS IS TERRIBLE

Lets let the muslim kenyan stay in office”

Great idea! We’ll show em ;-)


6 posted on 07/17/2011 1:12:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I’m Roman Catholic as is my whole family and we adore Michele Bachmann and have no problem supporting her at all.


7 posted on 07/17/2011 1:13:04 PM PDT by Ballygrl
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To: Brices Crossroads

1. Please check to see if an article has been previously posted.

Michele Bachmann Should Not ‘Get a Pass’ on Past Membership in Anti-Catholic Church

07/15/2011 5:01:33 AM PDT · by tcg · 206 replies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2748910/posts

2. WHY do you people insist on hammering on something this stupid? The battle with the Lefties will be a lot more effective if you don’t continually try to stir up nonsense division of our ranks. The lefties are always casting shots at all Christians, not just the Catholics that see the whole world aligned against them and persecuting only them.

Have a great Sunday. God bless.


8 posted on 07/17/2011 1:13:20 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Bachmann is too right-wing evangelical for my taste. These people do not believe that Catholics are Christians. They are smug in believing they are the only Christians who have been saved by the Precious Blood of Christ.

I can just imagine that they also follow Luther in his vicious anti-Semitism, too.

So now she disassociates herself from the church where she sat and listened to these sermons, without protesting, for ten years?

Reminds me of someone else and his pastor, out in Chicago, just before he ran for President.


9 posted on 07/17/2011 1:13:20 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Brices Crossroads
snicker.... come on now, we got a Teddy Kennedy ‘socialized’ medical bill, ‘socialized’ education bill, and people think they have standing to criticize other churches.... There are 7 distinct churches listed in Revelations noting which are in jeopardy and which are not.... OH, I routinely add that my Catholic in-laws always vote for the LIBERAL democrat... clean up your own house before you start complaining about other houses of worship.
10 posted on 07/17/2011 1:14:01 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Brices Crossroads; Mr. K; All

Oh, here we go again...

They do it every four years. The lib media rushes to their reference books and researches denominational differences so they can start playing “Make the ‘Christers’ Fight”.

And dumbsh!ts (or trolls) like you play right into their hands and start badmouthing conservative candidates over how many effing angels can dance on the head of an effing pin.


11 posted on 07/17/2011 1:14:23 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Really. Makes sense to me......not.

Michelle, like everyone else in this country, has the right to her own religious beliefs. And yes, just like 0bama. However, I’m pretty sure neither Catholics or Lutherans shout “God Damn America” from their pulpits.

So what if she believes the Pope is the Antichrist? I used to think it was my middle kid until he got older!


12 posted on 07/17/2011 1:15:37 PM PDT by kozanne
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To: Palladin

” Reminds me of someone else and his pastor, out in Chicago, just before he ran for President. “

Are you comparing the white-hating, America-hating Marxist to Bachmann??????????


13 posted on 07/17/2011 1:15:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Brices Crossroads

What if it was Fournier who was running for something and the question was something that the non-Roman church he “used to go to” preaches?

The onus on the accuser is not to keep on throwing out of context barbs. Can not one identify what church Michelle Bachmann attends now?


14 posted on 07/17/2011 1:15:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

” So what if she believes the Pope is the Antichrist? I used to think it was my middle kid until he got older!”

LOL!


15 posted on 07/17/2011 1:16:48 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Ballygrl; narses

Amen, Us Too, Still would like her to address it.

Ping.


16 posted on 07/17/2011 1:17:39 PM PDT by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
54% of Catholics put aside their religious persuasion and voted for Obama. Maybe they need to come to their senses and not worry about what some loudmouth preacher said.
17 posted on 07/17/2011 1:19:00 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

No...just their respective hypocrisies.


18 posted on 07/17/2011 1:19:27 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

I’m Catholic and if she ends up as our candidate, I’m voting for her.


19 posted on 07/17/2011 1:20:04 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Palladin
So now she disassociates herself from the church where she sat and listened to these sermons, without protesting, for ten years?

Actually we don't know that that pastor ever expressed any anti-Catholic sentiments during a sermon. Do you have proof of that? This isn't quite the same as Obama's situation where we know Obama sat through vitriolic sermons and we have recordings.

20 posted on 07/17/2011 1:20:10 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Brices Crossroads

IIRC, there are former WELS members on FR who are so virulently anti-Catholic, distressingly hateful rants are posted occasionally.

I do believe that tigers don’t change their stripes nor leopards their spots.


21 posted on 07/17/2011 1:20:33 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Palladin
These people do not believe that Catholics are Christians.

Which is like pointing out that sitting in a garage is not synonymous with being a automobile. Almost all will stipulate that if you put your faith in Jesus Christ for your eternal salvation, you will be saved according to His promise -- name plates over building doors notwithstanding.

22 posted on 07/17/2011 1:20:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Palladin
hy·poc·ri·sy   /hɪˈpɒkrəsi/ Show Spelled [hi-pok-ruh-see] Show IPA –noun, plural -sies. 1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess. 2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude. 3. an act or instance of hypocrisy. .
23 posted on 07/17/2011 1:21:19 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Mr. K

This might matter to me,,, if i wasn’t treated to a continous stream of Roman catholic threads that are very disrespectful of protestants. Arrogant statements that only the catholics are the true church,, endless claims that Christ himself intended a line of popes and picked the first one,,endless caterwalling that the vatican is open to one sided reuniting with other christians. (meaning fully accept the pope as your leader, and all teachings of the catholics,, and we will accept you)
So no wounded cries will be listened to today.

But as it is,, if Bachmann is a Christian, thats enough for me. Besides, she like all the repub field, is only running to be Sarah’s veep.


24 posted on 07/17/2011 1:21:49 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Brices Crossroads

The concern troll is deeply concerned.


25 posted on 07/17/2011 1:22:14 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Palladin
They are smug in believing they are the only Christians who have been saved by the Precious Blood of Christ.

Heaven forbid if Catholics ever become so smug.

26 posted on 07/17/2011 1:22:23 PM PDT by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“THIS IS TERRIBLE

Lets let the muslim kenyan stay in office”

Great idea! We’ll show em ;-)

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What you said.

27 posted on 07/17/2011 1:22:23 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: OpusatFR

Cat fight! Cat fight!


28 posted on 07/17/2011 1:22:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Really?

You should read the Free Republic Religion Forum once in awhile and see how wrong you are.


29 posted on 07/17/2011 1:22:38 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

It spite of the shuck and jiving, is still a fact that the GOP has never nominated a Catholic for President.


30 posted on 07/17/2011 1:23:51 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Brices Crossroads

So don’t vote for her

We know Obama respects Catholics, at least the pro abortion, pro stem cell, euthanasia, gay marriage backing Pelosi/Kennedy CINO’s and the Georgetown/Note dame liberals who cover the cross when he speaks at their podiums


31 posted on 07/17/2011 1:24:10 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: eclecticEel

32 posted on 07/17/2011 1:24:47 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: Palladin

I was not FReepborn yesterday and it is very rare to come across an evangelical who categorically states “a Catholic cannot be a Christian.” Onus on you to catalog a rebuttal.


33 posted on 07/17/2011 1:24:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Mr. K
My Lutheran in-laws were anti-Catholic but we worked it out.

Anybody but Obama.

34 posted on 07/17/2011 1:24:50 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Palladin

The trolls can try to minimize this or change the subject if they wish. But this is all over the Catholic blogosphere now. It has 3 links on Spiritdaily, huge blog widely read by conservative Catholics (who vote in GOP primaries).

It has been picked up by Bill Donohue of the Catholic League, who is very tenacious. Bachmann better come out and explain why she belonged to this “Church” that holds us all in contempt until SIX DAYS BEFORE ANNOUNCING FOR PRESIDENT.

Or else she will be toast. If she isn’t toast already.


35 posted on 07/17/2011 1:25:57 PM PDT by Brices Crossroads
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To: sinanju
I heard it was 2,000 angels that could dance on a head of a pin; accept for Michael The Archangel, he's large enough to have a pin of his own - now, about those squiggly light bulbs that contain mercury the government wants to put into homes (/sarc off) ...

You're correct, every so often the lame stream media pulls out their books on religion to try to pit one Christian group against another. When that doesn't work, they come after the perennial fall guy - the Jew. Who even takes any of them as a serious news group especially MSNBC.

36 posted on 07/17/2011 1:26:12 PM PDT by SkyDancer (You know, they invented wheelbarrows to teach FAA inspectors to walk on their hind legs.)
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To: OpusatFR

I can vouch for that.

I have experienced the most vicious anti-Catholicism I have ever seen on the FR Religion Forum from extreme right wing “Christian” evangelicals, including the Bachmanns’ co-religionists.

I have never heard a bigoted word from Sarah Palin, nor anyone in her family. Palin is the superior candidate.


37 posted on 07/17/2011 1:27:06 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Brices Crossroads

As a Protestant, the Anti-Christ will be a well known figure who commands both secular and religious deference. The Anti-Christ will claim powers equal to God. The Pope forgives sins. And Mark 7:9 And He said unto them, “Full well ye reject the commandments of God, that ye may keep your own tradition”. And the Catholic Church does really really hold fast to traditions NOT in the Bible. I don’t know. I’m straddling the fence here.


38 posted on 07/17/2011 1:27:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: Palladin

“Bachmann is too right-wing evangelical for my taste. These people do not believe that Catholics are Christians. They are smug in believing they are the only Christians who have been saved by the Precious Blood of Christ.”

I’m for every Republican who decides to get in the race. The debate helps shape the party at this point, and the GOP sure needs re-shaping.

Whining about what one religious denomination thinks about another is a waste of time, unless she doesn’t believe in freedom of religion as enshrined in the Constitution.

EVERY denomination/religion thinks they have some highly redeeming virtue over all the others - otherwise, they wouldn’t exist. If you take offense to every other religion but yours you’ll have plenty of company, but not many friends.


39 posted on 07/17/2011 1:27:51 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Brices Crossroads
What is the opinion of Palin’s Church of Roman-Catholicism?
Do the Palin's even attend Mass or Service, anymore?
40 posted on 07/17/2011 1:28:00 PM PDT by jla
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Just do an FR search on the name “Gamecock”.


41 posted on 07/17/2011 1:28:28 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: Calusa
No one is more anti-catholic than pro-life, pro-homosexual, fetus-harvesting Obama and his minions like the Governor of NY. Thanks for the post.

This story has the smell of a put up job. You're point is correct, it's one thing to accuse Michelle Bachmann of something that her church supposedly espouses. Frankly I'm not sure what the theological questions are. I prefer to judge both candidates on their actions. On the one hand we have , "pro-homosexual, fetus-harvesting Obama and his minions like the Governor of NY..." not to mention economy destroying, America apologist and pro muslim. That's Obie's side in a nutshell. OTOH Michelle Bachmann has raised 5 kids of her own and taken in 25 foster kids over the years, she's staunchly pro-life, a solid fiscal conservative and against homosexual marriage.

Now I've never seen any pastor of Bachmann's screaming "God damn America", she's not known to be friends with convicted domestic terrorists and she doesn't want to "fundamentally transform America", except to bring it closer to it's original constitution. So, being a practicing Catholic myself, I have much more in common with Michelle Bachmann no matter where she goes to church, than I do with the current "in lieu" president we have in the White Hut.

42 posted on 07/17/2011 1:28:38 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: Brices Crossroads
I agree that Michelle Bachmann will have to deal with this question. It's uncomfortable but will only fester until she addresses it. As an evangelical Protestant, I can find many faults in Catholic doctrine but have never believed (or been taught) that the Catholic Pope is the Anti-Christ. I'm a Deacon in my church, I've studied scripture and can find many Catholic doctrines that I disagree with but frankly, I find the doctrine of the Pope as the Anti-Christ to be extreme and unsupported by scripture. At best, it's a weird interpretation of scriptures describing the Anti-Christ. At worst, pure defamation - and this from an evangelical Protestant that finds the office of Pope to be the antithesis of what Jesus taught His Disciples about being humble. However, that's a theological argument that can be debated elsewhere. This is a political site and a political thread. For now, Michelle Bachmann, also my second-favorite conservative for president in 2012, has some "'splanin' to do".
43 posted on 07/17/2011 1:29:08 PM PDT by Jim Scott ( "Game On!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Brices Crossroads

petty.


44 posted on 07/17/2011 1:29:25 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Oh woe, and now all the virtuous Roman Catholics will vote for pro-abortion, pro-euthanasia, pro-fornication Democrats because Michelle Bachmann waited too long for their comfort to walk away from WELS. (Probably because she expects to be traveling all over and it will be a lot easier to find LCMS than WELS to worship in.)


45 posted on 07/17/2011 1:30:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: DesertRhino

Good point about the Catholic threads. I noticed that too.


46 posted on 07/17/2011 1:30:16 PM PDT by Sister_T ("Calling ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is like calling shoplifters 'customers'!"-UCFRoadWarrior ><>)
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To: Texas Fossil
WHY do you people insist on hammering on something this stupid?

I don't know what the motives of the posters may be, but I'd rather get this out and debated now, rather than be blindsided by it in 2012.

47 posted on 07/17/2011 1:30:42 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Compassionate Conservatism? Promoting self reliance is compassionate. Promoting dependency is not.)
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To: Brices Crossroads
Keith Fournier must have grown up in the period after the Catholic Church stopped using Latin (outside of Vatican City). It should be res ipse loquitur (not loquitor).

He also meant to say "rein in," not "reign in."

I suspect that Fournier greatly underestimates how widespread these anti-Catholic views are among Protestants.

Exploiting the differences between Evangelicals and non-Evangelicals may be a key part of the Democratic game plan for winning the election in 2012.

48 posted on 07/17/2011 1:30:42 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Palladin

Provide a link to an on-topic post. Even one.


49 posted on 07/17/2011 1:31:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Palladin

LOL! “... “a Catholic cannot be a Christian.” Onus on you to catalog a rebuttal.”

Please. We are constantly subjected to being called “Mary-Ishtar Worshipper” and idolators.

That’s the mild criticism.


50 posted on 07/17/2011 1:31:50 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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