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'Ice Wars' heating up the Arctic
CNN ^ | 15 July 2011 | Kaj Larsen

Posted on 07/17/2011 9:44:23 PM PDT by smokingfrog

On a small, floating piece of ice in the Beaufort Sea, several hundred miles north of Alaska, a group of scientists are documenting what some dub an "Arctic meltdown."

According to climate scientists, the warming of the region is shrinking the polar ice cap at an alarming rate, reducing the permafrost layer and wreaking havoc on polar bears, arctic foxes and other indigenous wildlife in the region.

What is bad for the animals, though, has been good for commerce.

The recession of the sea ice and the reduction in permafrost -- combined with advances in technology -- have allowed access to oil, mineral and natural gas deposits that were previously trapped in the ice.

The abundance of these valuable resources and the opportunity to exploit them has created a gold rush-like scramble in the high north, with fierce competition to determine which countries have the right to access the riches of the Arctic.

This competition has brought in its wake a host of naval and military activities that the Arctic hasn't seen since the end of the Cold War.

Now, one of the coldest places on Earth is heating up as nuclear submarines, Aegis-class frigates, strategic bombers and a new generation of icebreakers are resuming operations there.

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arctic; gas; oil; polarice
Nice video of US sub popping up through the ice at the link.
1 posted on 07/17/2011 9:44:28 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

If it’s not above 32F, I fail to see how enough ice is melting to cause a problem.


2 posted on 07/17/2011 9:46:52 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: smokingfrog

“According to climate scientists, the warming of the region is shrinking the polar ice cap at an alarming rate, reducing the permafrost layer and wreaking havoc on polar bears, arctic foxes and other indigenous wildlife in the region.”
Haven’t they been saying this every year
for the past 20 YEARS!!!


3 posted on 07/17/2011 9:50:21 PM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: smokingfrog

They’ve had ice free years in the Arctic Ocean in the 1930’s and 1940’s. It’s dishonest to pretend that that hasn’t happened or that it would be a disaster if it happened again.


4 posted on 07/17/2011 10:06:29 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: smokingfrog

“...scientists are documenting what some dub an “Arctic meltdown.”

Arctic meltdown? All the global warming “scientist” liars going bipolar nuts and freaking out up there?


5 posted on 07/17/2011 10:08:27 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: smokingfrog

6 posted on 07/17/2011 10:10:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: smokingfrog
The United States, Canada, Russia, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Sweden and Finland all stake a claim to a portion of the Arctic. These countries make up the Arctic Council, a diplomatic forum designed to mediate disputes on Arctic issues

One of these countries we are teamed with seems like trouble. I hope the competent and dynamic Sec of State is staying on top of this.


7 posted on 07/17/2011 10:13:11 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Slambat

I know there are Arctic species, but IF it were warming isn’t it obvious more species would benefit?

You have to read between the lines, the article also mentions advances in technology, that’s the real reason for the increased exploration and development, not climate change.


8 posted on 07/17/2011 10:16:16 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Lazlo in PA
How did Greenland get cut out of that Arctic Council?
Or were they just too smart to get roped into it?
9 posted on 07/17/2011 10:18:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

Greenland is still a quasi-part of Denmark with a kind of “commonwealth” status that gives Denmark control over foreign affairs, security, and finances.


10 posted on 07/17/2011 10:24:08 PM PDT by Enchante (May 1, 2011: Death to Bin Laden, Death to Bin Laden..... al Zawahiri is next!)
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To: smokingfrog

- According to climate scientists, the warming of the region

They went from “global warming” to “warming of the region.”


11 posted on 07/17/2011 10:32:00 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Don't Call My Bluff")
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To: Berlin_Freeper

And now all of a sudden there are “climate scientists” instead of scientists.


12 posted on 07/17/2011 10:33:13 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Don't Call My Bluff")
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To: TigersEye

Showing only two years is meaningless.


13 posted on 07/17/2011 10:44:37 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: Enchante

Thanks, I had no idea.


14 posted on 07/17/2011 10:48:24 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Post Toasties

‘79 is as far back as satellite records of Arctic ice go. Since the Greenies claim that the ice has been disappearing these last 32 years, and according to this article it’s disappearing at an “alarming rate” this year, showing that it isn’t seems rather meaningful to me.


15 posted on 07/17/2011 10:51:27 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: smokingfrog

“According to climate scientists, the warming of the region is shrinking the polar ice cap at an alarming rate, reducing the permafrost layer and wreaking havoc on polar bears”

The more ice, and the thicker it is, the more the polar bears starve. Their source of food is in the water, below the ice. If they can’t break through the ice, they must trek sometimes hundreds of miles to find food.

So.... the author and the ‘alarmists’, as usual, have everything backwards.


16 posted on 07/17/2011 10:52:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TigersEye

That’s true.


17 posted on 07/17/2011 10:52:40 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: TigersEye

That’s true.


18 posted on 07/17/2011 10:52:46 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: TigersEye

That’s true.


19 posted on 07/17/2011 10:52:54 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: TigersEye

That’s true.


20 posted on 07/17/2011 10:53:00 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: Post Toasties
Compare Daily Sea Ice

If you want to look at more years or different dates there is the website. Knock yourself out.

21 posted on 07/17/2011 10:54:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

I don’t remember computer graphics and satellite images being quite so ummm... robust in 1979....


22 posted on 07/17/2011 11:28:54 PM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: esoxmagnum

I don’t know. Do you think the University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana Dept. of Atmospheric Sciences faked it?


23 posted on 07/17/2011 11:36:08 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

“And now all of a sudden there are “climate scientists” instead of scientists.”

There’s a big difference. Climate science is a secular religion, in which skeptics are ostracized. Science depends on sensible evidence. Back when the study of weather was a science it was called “meteorology”.


24 posted on 07/17/2011 11:43:55 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: TigersEye

A University embellishing data and creating fancy graphics to suit its own grants for the study of melting ice caps? No WAY! /s

(especially one from Illinois?)

Heck, it’s not like even NASA would use incorrect data for global temperatures.... would they? /sarcasm again

There were no color pictures like that in 79 from a satellite photo, and that was computer generated, there were not computer programs pumping out true-color or even 256 color at that time, much less that resolution.

Someone took a photo of the earth, and over-layed whatever graphics they wanted on to it. I could over lay stuff to make it look like the ice caps were growing into a face of Al Gore, that don’t make it real. (well, I couldn’t but my teen-aged son could).

In other words... it’s been ‘shopped.


25 posted on 07/18/2011 12:52:39 AM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: esoxmagnum

It’s trivial to gussie up the presentation of any set of data using technologies that didn’t exist when the data were first collected — and so what?

What I’d care about is whether the data was gathered in the exact same manner in the two cases being compared. No fair having one set be created from manual visits and a second set being generated from a satellite without an attempt to reconcile discrepancies which the two methods will almost certainly introduce without resorting to something as crude as “hide the decline.”


26 posted on 07/18/2011 1:16:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“...........the warming of the region is shrinking the polar ice cap at an alarming rate”

What the hell is that? Can anyone define what an “alarming rate” is?


27 posted on 07/18/2011 3:01:38 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Progov

Alarming Rate |ah-lar-ming-rat|

1.) A change in condition that is required to cause panic and concern in people too stupid to realize global warming is a hoax.

2.) A notification of a change in condition deemed minimal by researchers which necessary to separate governments or universities from monies they possess.


28 posted on 07/18/2011 3:37:27 AM PDT by rlmorel ("When marching down the same road, one doesn't need 'marching orders' to reach the same destination")
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To: Progov

“What the hell is that? Can anyone define what an “alarming rate” is?”

If these people are so smart, how do they plan on reversing it? Better still, what is their backout plan if they reduce it too much?


29 posted on 07/18/2011 4:05:28 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: smokingfrog
oil, mineral and natural gas deposits that were previously trapped in the ice.

I doubt that those deposits are actually IN the ice. More likely UNDER the ice. But that means that at some time in the past there was organic matter (plants, animals...) where there is now ice. Which would show that having no ice in the polar region is a natural phenomenon and not caused by the hypothetical AGW.

30 posted on 07/18/2011 4:18:56 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Progov

“What the hell is that? Can anyone define what an “alarming rate” is?”

Anything less than growing.


31 posted on 07/18/2011 4:19:51 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed

Nobody can predict that this warming is bad, long term, i.e. centuries.


32 posted on 07/18/2011 5:28:36 AM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Berlin_Freeper
*- According to climate scientists, the warming of the region
They went from “global warming” to “warming of the region.”*

That's because they would be extremely embarrassed if anyone were to report what is going on in the Antarctic, which is much larger. They've probably been called on their “global” warming lies when it comes to the poles and now they are extremely happy to report on any warming in the Arctic without mentioning the Antarctic. Regional warming is a convenient way to ignore what's going on in the rest of the world.

The AGW hoax still seems to shuffle along like a rotting zombie corpse.

Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me 987,076 times, shame on me.

33 posted on 07/18/2011 11:07:00 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: esoxmagnum

It would take a lot of work to “shop” every shot for nearly every day since 1979. Strange that they would do that and leave the “shopped shots” showing little to no change in Arctic ice too. Kind of a waste of propaganda effort wouldn’t you say?


34 posted on 07/18/2011 8:57:26 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

ping to #34


35 posted on 07/18/2011 8:59:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

Once you have an algorithm and a set of source data down you can crank these charts out at gigahertz speed. No need for manually touching up a whole series when a kink in the algorithm will touch them up for you.


36 posted on 07/18/2011 9:17:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I still don’t understand why they didn’t make them support their disappearing ice theory if they went to all that trouble.


37 posted on 07/18/2011 10:49:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: TigersEye

It probably would be, but maybe I’m reading these wrong, the purple has declined significantly on those images, that would show a change in the ice.

And, of course I just glanced at them.

I am just one of those people who trusts nothing, and questions everything out of the Ministry of Propaganda (ie anything to do with the environment, climate or the EPA), and their branch that pushes such agenda (ie any of the federally funded universities that deals with climate).

If Al Gore and his ilk came out and said the sky was blue, I swear, I would go outside and look, and if it was indeed blue, I would head directly to an optometrist and get my eyes checked.


38 posted on 07/19/2011 1:27:04 AM PDT by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: esoxmagnum
It probably would be, but maybe I’m reading these wrong, the purple has declined significantly on those images, that would show a change in the ice. And, of course I just glanced at them.

That sure isn't what I see. I see more open water around the perimeter of the ice cap but the pink and purple, the thickest ice, appears to encompass more square miles in the 2011 pic than the 1979 pic. A lot more.

39 posted on 07/19/2011 12:11:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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