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Crime Rates in Liberal and Conservative Cities Compared
Home Facts ^ | 21 June 2011 | Home Facts

Posted on 07/18/2011 9:32:28 AM PDT by Vigilanteman

Not long ago, we had an interesting discussion on the 25 most liberal and conservative cities in America based on voting behavior. That thread is on the source URL.

I showed this list to a libtard acquaintence and suggested we compare crime rates. Of course, he tried to dismiss it stating factors other than liberal voting accounted for the high crime rates. We agreed to compare just the top five cities in each category just to sample his theory. So I am listing the top 5 cities in each category followed by the (total crime rate, violent crime rate, property crime rate). A score of 100.00 is exactly the national average. Thus, a score of 50 would be half the national average, a score of 200 would be twice the national average.

These can be verified on the Home Facts website.

Most Liberal

  1. Detroit, Michigan (445.47, 503.51, 310.04)
  2. Gary, Indiana (404.09, 490.36, 202.79
  3. Berkeley, California (159.6, 135.67, 215.43)
  4. Washington, DC (283.93, 325.02, 188.06)
  5. Oakland, California (382.01, 420.48, 292.24)

    Most Conservative

    1. Provo, Utah (49.9, 43.92, 63.86)
    2. Lubbock, Texas (159.19, 153.1, 173.41)
    3. Abiline, Texas (163.21, 178.73, 127.01)
    4. Hileah, Florida (99.13, 81.3, 140.73)
    5. Plano, Texas (53.46, 40.56, 83.54)


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Philosophy; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; conservative; crime; liberal; voting
We could go on with all 25 cities, but you get the idea. Liberal places are far less safe. Berkeley, in fact, is the only one of the top 5 which is less than twice the national average and the only one which comes close to the two most dangerous of the top 5 conservative cities.

You can explain some of it, but not all of it, by ethnic makeup. But I'm curious as to why Plano, Texas (#5 on the list) has less than one-third the crime rate of the two other Texas cities which made the list.

I'm also curious why the liberal showcase city of Berkeley still has crime rates significantly higher than 3/5th of the most conservative cities in the top 5. The most visible ethnic group in Berkeley is Asian who commit crimes at rates well below the national average.

1 posted on 07/18/2011 9:32:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman

The evidence is compelling. Regarding your question about Plano. It is a suburb of Dallas and is fairly affluent. It has no significant old part of the town as it just growed. Abilene and Lubbock are old cities with an urban element.


2 posted on 07/18/2011 9:38:27 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Yeah, it’s a bit of a mind-twist. Is Berkeley higher in crime because being liberals, they love more laws, so no matter what, you’re breaking some kind of law?


3 posted on 07/18/2011 9:38:45 AM PDT by McKayopectate
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To: McKayopectate
If you look at the home facts website, I don't think that can explain it that way. Failing to properly separate your recycled trash, for instance, can count neither as a violent crime nor a property crime.
4 posted on 07/18/2011 9:42:32 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
But I'm curious as to why Plano, Texas (#5 on the list) has less than one-third the crime rate of the two other Texas cities which made the list.

Some might suggest Texas Tech plays into that...

5 posted on 07/18/2011 9:42:44 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Vigilanteman
You can explain some of it, but not all of it, by ethnic makeup.

Actually, you can explain almost all of it by looking at ethnic makeup, in particular the percentage of African-Americans.

Lots of blacks, lots of crime. Call me racist, I don't care, but it's true. Political ideology has little to do with it except that blacks tend to be concentrated in Democrat strongholds.

You want to live in a safe neighborhood? Break out those census demographics. If the ethnic makeup is greater than 15% African-American, it's probably not the safest place to raise a family. Even Hispanic neighborhoods are safer than black ones.

6 posted on 07/18/2011 9:46:36 AM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Vigilanteman
You can explain some of it, but not all of it, by ethnic makeup.

Ok, what part can't you explain?

7 posted on 07/18/2011 9:48:09 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: McKayopectate
Yeah, it’s a bit of a mind-twist. Is Berkeley higher in crime because being liberals, they love more laws, so no matter what, you’re breaking some kind of law?

Yeah, a real mind twister. A college town (easy pickings) right next to Oakland.

8 posted on 07/18/2011 9:50:05 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: McKayopectate
Yeah, it’s a bit of a mind-twist. Is Berkeley higher in crime because being liberals, they love more laws, so no matter what, you’re breaking some kind of law?

I'd think that Berkeley's crime rates are probably influenced upward by its proximity to Oakland. The two cities are right next to each other.

9 posted on 07/18/2011 9:53:40 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Vigilanteman
But I'm curious as to why Plano, Texas (#5 on the list) has less than one-third the crime rate of the two other Texas cities which made the list.

Interesting. I went to Wiki and looked at the demographics for all three. Plano was strikingly different.

10 posted on 07/18/2011 9:55:19 AM PDT by houeto
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To: Vigilanteman

Comparing Provo and Plano to Detroit and Gary is about as honest as the “See BS” poll on the debt ceiling with a D+11 polling sample.


11 posted on 07/18/2011 10:03:29 AM PDT by bwc2221
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To: McKayopectate

May be a good question for a statistician like John R Lott.


12 posted on 07/18/2011 10:06:02 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Vigilanteman

Liberals the enemy of any free society,except say Cuba and the like!


13 posted on 07/18/2011 10:09:36 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: McKayopectate; Vigilanteman

No, the real mind-twist is: do they vote Dem and have a crime rate because they’re poor vs vote R and have a low crime rate because they’re affluent? That would be the lib mantra — must send the lib/crime-ridden cities more money......


14 posted on 07/18/2011 10:10:46 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Vigilanteman
he tried to dismiss it stating factors other than liberal voting accounted for the high crime rates

There are other factors, but it's even more un-PC to discuss those than it is to discuss the liberalism of those cities.

15 posted on 07/18/2011 10:11:17 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: Bob

Berkeley has some of the worst housing projects near Oakland, Emeryville and San Pablo, along with Latino gangs competing for the drug business.

Berkeley, as expected, has lax drug and homeless laws, so there is a natural market that evolves due to the lack of police enforcement. The violence comes as a direct result of the competition to bring drugs to their willing customers.

Also, Berkeley has a weird Goa/Climate Change/Secular-Progressive/incence/hippie culture that somehow approves of filthy streets and every vice known to man.

I hate Berkeley with a passion and the university produces good Marxist pupils...

The ironic twist is that in the Berkeley Hills, the far-Lefties live in multi-million dollar homes, far away from the vomit and urine of the Socialist policies created by the poltiicians whose names grace the bumperstickers of their Prius.

I live in the upside-down world of Northern CA.


16 posted on 07/18/2011 10:12:55 AM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Gena Bukin

That same statistic also works well for how good a particular public school is going to be relative to the others nearby.


17 posted on 07/18/2011 10:14:35 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: bwc2221

Provo is a small-medium sized city in a very conservative state, Plano is an affluent suburb, and Detroit and Gary are both old industrial rust-belt cities.


18 posted on 07/18/2011 10:15:55 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: bwc2221

Provo is a small-medium sized city in a very conservative state, Plano is an affluent suburb, and Detroit and Gary are both old industrial rust-belt cities.


19 posted on 07/18/2011 10:15:55 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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20 posted on 07/18/2011 10:19:55 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Vigilanteman
I'm also curious why the liberal showcase city of Berkeley still has crime rates significantly higher than 3/5th of the most conservative cities in the top 5. The most visible ethnic group in Berkeley is Asian who commit crimes at rates well below the national average.

Berkeley is sandwiched in between Oakland and Richmond. The Amish from those cities love hanging around downtown Berkeley at night, to sample its cultural amenities. :)

21 posted on 07/18/2011 10:20:10 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan AtkNtinson)
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To: Gena Bukin

Two towns in north/central PA.
Virtually NO “ethnic diversity” in this area of the state.

The names have been redacted to protect the citzens!

[”C”], PA (1.03)(0.00)(3.43)

[”S”], PA (14.96)(0.00)(49.88)


22 posted on 07/18/2011 10:22:12 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Provo is a city?


23 posted on 07/18/2011 10:23:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RockinRight

Of the four Gary may well be the most soundly situated financially.


24 posted on 07/18/2011 10:26:15 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Of the four Gary may well be the most soundly situated financially.

I guess if you only have 6 police squad cars on the road at night, never fix the potholes, have just 8 snowplows operational and never hit the back streets, most of the town without curb and gutter, don't run street sweepers, have just 12 fire trucks,in a city that runs from Cline Ave. to the Porter County line, you might save a few bucks (although they're still broke).

25 posted on 07/18/2011 10:45:13 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Cheetahcat

Liberal city crime rates will drop in the ensuing years as there is less and less to steal until they become Havanas as you suggest.


26 posted on 07/18/2011 10:46:58 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Vigilanteman
Madison, WI: (67.72) (57.57) (91.40)

Black population <7%.

27 posted on 07/18/2011 10:56:55 AM PDT by Ken H
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To: A'elian' nation
Liberal city crime rates will drop in the ensuing years as there is less and less to steal until they become Havanas as you suggest.

It's funny you should mention that. I brought this up on a thread not too long ago when someone mentioned not hearing much out of Detroit on the crime front anymore.

First, of course, the much longer prison sentences handed out now compared to the 70s and 80s made a big difference. But Detroit, like East St. Louis, Gary, Flint, Newark, etc., are just are so gutted there's nothing left to fight over.

Your town has hit rock bottom when even the crack dealers leave because there isn't enough money in the economy of the town to sustain a market.

Cities like Chicago and Philly that still post big crime headlines are still functioning enough where the criminal class can thrive.

It's that gritty edge where the blue collar vice money meets the underclass where the explosions happened. Once that was gone it's pretty much reduced to impulse crime.

28 posted on 07/18/2011 11:08:00 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: triumphant values
Curb and gutter are not particularly necessary where you live on a gigantic sandbar, but Barrett Law should have provided them with all the sewers and pavement they could ever need.

I've been there several times over the years ~ even back when they painted new houses yellow to save the streaking you'd get in new white paint.

29 posted on 07/18/2011 11:43:07 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vigilanteman; McKayopectate

Perhaps the towns that neighbor Berkeley could explain that?


30 posted on 07/18/2011 12:04:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Vigilanteman

I didn’t think that there were 25 conservative cities left!


31 posted on 07/18/2011 12:13:04 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Vigilanteman

While I’d like to agree with your thesis, your data is kind of “cherry-picked” to compare big urban cities like Oakland and Detroit with smaller cities.

A true apples to apples comparison would be more convincing.


32 posted on 07/18/2011 12:15:45 PM PDT by AlanGreenSpam (Obama: The First 'American IDOL' President - sponsored by Chicago NeoCom Thugs)
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To: Grumplestiltskin

Our numbers are good 27 miles outside of Pittsburgh: (5.23)(0.00)(17.43) They would be near perfect if we could put a stop to the ethnic cleansing of mailboxes.


33 posted on 07/18/2011 12:17:38 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Of course, he tried to dismiss it stating factors other than liberal voting accounted for the high crime rates.

Well, obviously, "liberal voting" wouldn't be the CAUSE of high crime rates, and that's not the point. The point is that there is a CORRELATION between people of low character and liberal voting.

Low character causes both crime and liberal voting.

34 posted on 07/18/2011 12:26:00 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Ken H

Notice also that in those places with a lower (< 75) overall crime rate

that the violent crime rate is often HALF of what the property crime rate is.


35 posted on 07/18/2011 12:29:54 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I don’t know if you meant to be facetious or not but this is exactly the conclusion I drew from the data. Democrats are the party of corruption. They lie, cheat and steal; literally. Is it any wonder that their constituencies are also on the take? Given liberals’ penchant for handing out the fruit of other mens’ labor, it’s not an unreasonble conclusion that those who vote for them are their cohorts in crime.


36 posted on 07/18/2011 2:09:10 PM PDT by DeltaZulu
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To: MrB

I don’t know if you meant to be facetious or not but this is exactly the conclusion I drew from the data. Democrats are the party of corruption. They lie, cheat and steal; literally. Is it any wonder that their constituencies are also on the take? Given liberals’ penchant for handing out the fruit of other mens’ labor, it’s not an unreasonble conclusion that those who vote for them are their cohorts in crime.


37 posted on 07/18/2011 2:09:31 PM PDT by DeltaZulu
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To: Vigilanteman
Total crime?

That's bunk! Especially if you're concerned with crime.

Crime statistics should be based on crimes per-capita. In other words the number of crimes committed per 100,000 population.

This is done for a good reason.

Would you rather live in city of 1 million that had 300 murders, or a city of 200,000 that had 275 murders?

38 posted on 07/18/2011 2:10:47 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Vigilanteman
Per capita tells the real story.

Based on the final 2006 FBI Crime Statistics.

Dallas and Berkeley Comparative Crime Ratios per 100,000 People

Latest 2006 Crimes per 100,000 People:

Dallas, TX Berkeley, CA National
Murder: 15 3.9 7
Forcible Rape: 53.28 21.64 32.2
Robbery: 553.9 407.3 205.8
Aggravated Assault: 584.2 202.7 336.5
Burglary: 1734.7 1133.3 813.2
Larceny Theft: 4006.4 5013.2 2601.7
Vehicle Theft: 1116 1057.5 501.5

Based on the final 2006 FBI Crime Statistics.


39 posted on 07/18/2011 2:20:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2; AlanGreenSpam
It isn't my data and it isn't cherry picked. Go to the original source. Total crime is based on incidents per 100,000 population-- standard FBI reporting protocol.

It is a fairly realistic measure of crime data on which insurance companies will price their policies.

40 posted on 07/18/2011 2:24:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Notice that of the 5 liberal cities, total crime and violent crime outdo property crime, except for Beserkly.

And the opposite is true for the 5 conservative cities, with the exception of Abilene, where property crime outdoes the other two.

Might one surmise that in the conservative cities and Beserkly, property is actually owned.

While in the other Hell-Holes, assisted living and government housing are the norm?

41 posted on 07/18/2011 2:33:10 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Si Ego Certiorem Faciam Mihi Tu Delendus Eris)
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To: Truth is a Weapon
It has no significant old part of the town as it just growed

Except the Black (Douglass) and Mexican areas on the east side.

Some of the credit should go to the aggressive police force.

42 posted on 07/18/2011 5:16:24 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: dragnet2

This is probably meaningless of course, but San Francisco has 6% blacks and 15% Hispanic, and Dallas has 26% blacks and 36% Hispanic.


43 posted on 07/18/2011 7:49:30 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Crime statistics should be based on crimes *per-capita*. In other words the number of crimes committed per 100,000 population.

This is done for a good reason. It's why the FBI uses it.

Question:

Would you rather live in city of 1 million that had 300 murders, or a city of 200,000 that had 275 murders?

Feel free to answer the question.

44 posted on 07/18/2011 11:21:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Vigilanteman

Your assertion doesn’t hold much water. My city - OKC - capitol of the reddest of the red states has stats that are more than twice the national average in all the categories according to the website you linked to.


45 posted on 07/18/2011 11:28:50 PM PDT by YankeeinOkieville (Obamanation [oh-bom-uh-nay-shuhn] n. -- ignorance and arrogance in the highest offices)
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To: triumphant values

do you think Detroit in the near future will just die?


46 posted on 07/19/2011 6:12:57 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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