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1 posted on 07/18/2011 3:31:47 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

Since the American people know what this President is up to, why is he still President?


2 posted on 07/18/2011 3:35:43 PM PDT by RC2
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To: tobyhill

Amending the Constitution???? This is all Fluff and Puff.

There are essentially two ways spelled out in the Constitution for how to propose an amendment. One has never been used.

The first method is for a bill to pass both houses of the legislature, by a two-thirds majority in each. Once the bill has passed both houses, it goes on to the states. This is the route taken by all current amendments. Because of some long outstanding amendments, such as the 27th, Congress will normally put a time limit (typically seven years) for the bill to be approved as an amendment (for example, see the 21st and 22nd).

The second method prescribed is for a Constitutional Convention to be called by two-thirds of the legislatures of the States, and for that Convention to propose one or more amendments. These amendments are then sent to the states to be approved by three-fourths of the legislatures or conventions. This route has never been taken, and there is discussion in political science circles about just how such a convention would be convened, and what kind of changes it would bring about.

Regardless of which of the two proposal routes is taken, the amendment must be ratified, or approved, by three-fourths of states. There are two ways to do this, too. The text of the amendment may specify whether the bill must be passed by the state legislatures or by a state convention. See the Ratification Convention Page for a discussion of the make up of a convention. Amendments are sent to the legislatures of the states by default. Only one amendment, the 21st, specified a convention. In any case, passage by the legislature or convention is by simple majority.

The Constitution, then, spells out four paths for an amendment:

Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state conventions (never used)
Proposal by convention of states, ratification by state legislatures (never used)
Proposal by Congress, ratification by state conventions (used once)
Proposal by Congress, ratification by state legislatures (used all other times)

It is interesting to note that at no point does the President have a role in the formal amendment process (though he would be free to make his opinion known). He cannot veto an amendment proposal, nor a ratification. This point is clear in Article 5, and was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in Hollingsworth v Virginia (3 US 378 [1798]):

The negative of the President applies only to the ordinary cases of legislation: He has nothing to do with the proposition, or adoption, of amendments to the Constitution.

Who amount us this this could POSSIBLY happen?????


3 posted on 07/18/2011 3:37:33 PM PDT by radioone (How Can an Obscure Guy Who Did Diddly Squat in the Senate Become President?)
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To: tobyhill
Republicans, don't give in d@mn it!

Make 0bama own it then!

Make for a great '12 campaign against a wannabe dictator.

4 posted on 07/18/2011 3:37:50 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Obama wants to take the south side of chicago national, turn the country into one big slumblord fest....as a community organizer, he is perfect for this task, spreading misery equally....
5 posted on 07/18/2011 3:38:56 PM PDT by Fred (Palin/Bachmann 2012 OR Bachmann/Palin 2012......that is the ticket!!!)
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To: tobyhill

He’s crashing us on purpose.


8 posted on 07/18/2011 3:42:36 PM PDT by Principled
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To: tobyhill

I’ve said a lot of bad things about McConnell, but I suppose he may believe default is Obama’s goal and he wants to stop it.


9 posted on 07/18/2011 3:43:51 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4. If that is granted, all else follows.)
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To: tobyhill

Cloward-Piven!!!!!


12 posted on 07/18/2011 3:48:52 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: tobyhill

Good. Let him veto the bill, and cause the country to default on its debt.


13 posted on 07/18/2011 3:49:26 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: tobyhill

Refusing to raise the debt ceiling is a defacto balanced budget. It is a mechanism the GOP controls now. Throw the switch and cut the damn spending.


14 posted on 07/18/2011 3:49:40 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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Didn't Obama say, or write that all those who have gotten rich in America did so on the backs of ethnic minorities? Since he took office his plan has been to redistribute that wealth to make amends.
15 posted on 07/18/2011 3:50:37 PM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: tobyhill

And the “media” will blame Repubs in an attempt to make the sheeple think it’s not Zero’s fault.


18 posted on 07/18/2011 3:53:44 PM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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The AnointedIdiot is pulling a Clinton in that Clinton vetoed the Gingrich/Repubs budget, waited for the public to blame the Repubs, where then the Repubs were forced to capitulate to Clinton. =.=


27 posted on 07/18/2011 4:34:20 PM PDT by cranked
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What is wrong with Republicans? Just send the bill out of the house and let him veto it if it ever gets to his desk. I have never seen such a bunch of incompetent politicians in my life. Where is their fighting spirit?


28 posted on 07/18/2011 4:39:36 PM PDT by AdaGray
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Duuuhhhhh...!

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“CONGRESS? I DON’T NEED NO STINKIN’ WUSSIE CONGRESS! I GOT MY CZARS!! BWAHAHAHAHA…”

30 posted on 07/18/2011 4:51:22 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (The 2012 election is coming. Seems we have MORE TRASH TO REMOVE!)
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To: tobyhill

As I just posted elsewhere...


The Democrat-dominated Congress inherited the situation in 2007, and continued the domination of Congress for 4 years – the first 2 under a compliant Republican[1] president, and next 2 under a sympathetic Democrat. During that short time, and in contrast to promises to end deficit spending (by whatever means), the debt increased nearly 60%[2]. AFAIK, no substantive spending cuts have been passed by either chamber during this period. To the contrary, the only recurring & earnest deficit-reduction suggestion is “end the Bush tax cuts for the rich”; eliminating the deficit thru tax increase would require a 100% rate on all income over $200,000.
 
At some point the steaming bag on the desk is the current occupant’s responsibility.
Especially when a second one appears during the occupancy.
 
1 – issued 12 vetos, half of which were resolved or overridden, the rest were not significant economic differences.
2 – that’s a 60% increase in 4 years over what debt had accumulated in more than 2 centuries.


33 posted on 07/18/2011 5:21:42 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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Remember, Citizen:

nobama hates you, hates your family, hates Free America, hates Americans, hates the Constitution and hates the Bill of Rights. nobama is a hate crime foisted upon America. nobama is the Destrpoyer.

Everything nobama does is intentional. If only someone would bring him to justice.

God help us all.


34 posted on 07/18/2011 5:24:54 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reducation Camp?)
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To: tobyhill

If he vetoes it, send him a copy, which cut spending to 2007 levels, but is otherwise identical.

Repeat moving back a year each time he vetoes it or the Senate rejects it.


35 posted on 07/18/2011 5:37:55 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: tobyhill

Shop ‘till you drop, and then shop some more!


37 posted on 07/18/2011 5:55:55 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: tobyhill
Pass the bill. He could be bluffing, if history is any clue. (Don't call my bluff)
39 posted on 07/18/2011 6:43:41 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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