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Justice Department trying to shield officials in guns scandal, ATF chief says
Los Angeles Times ^ | 7/18/11 | Richard A. Serrano

Posted on 07/18/2011 4:30:41 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

The Department of Justice is trying to protect its political appointees from becoming embroiled in the broadening Fast and Furious gun-tracing scandal by refusing to release an internal "smoking gun" report that acknowledges the role of top officials in the program that allowed guns to flow illegally into Mexico, according to the head of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Kenneth Melson, the ATF acting director, earlier this month also told congressional investigators examining the role of top officials in the ill-fated program that affidavits in support of wiretaps used in the operation are inconsistent with what Justice Department officials have said publicly.

Melson told the investigators that when he raised his concerns with the Justice Department about "institutional problems" with the Fast and Furious operation, department officials resisted his desire to share his thoughts with Congress.

"It was very frustrating to all of us," Melson told congressional investigators over the Fourth of July holiday, "and it appears thoroughly to us that the department is really trying to figure out a way to push the information away from their political appointees at the department."

Not only was the department slow to react, Justice officials even indicated to him they did not want him to cooperate with Congress, Melson said.

His comments appeared in transcripts released by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top GOP member on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

"The Deputy Attorney General's office wasn't very happy with us" at ATF, Melson said, "because they thought this was an admission that there were mistakes made. Well, there were some mistakes made."

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
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1 posted on 07/18/2011 4:30:44 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 07/18/2011 4:33:42 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

FOR REFERENCE:

3 posted on 07/18/2011 4:34:12 PM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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7/17/11 - LA Times

Family of U.S. agent slain in Mexico demands to know gun source
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guns-cartel-20110718,0,1003846.story

Richard A. Serrano

Five months after U.S. immigration agent Jaime Zapata was shot to death by a Mexican drug cartel, his family is demanding to know whether the weapons were purchased in the United States and smuggled into Mexico under the now-defunct Fast and Furious operation.

The family complains that U.S. authorities in Washington and Texas have refused to answer crucial questions about the Feb. 15 ambush on a four-lane highway in northern Mexico.

“What happened with Jaime needs to come out,” the family’s lawyer, Raymond L. Thomas of McAllen, Texas, said in a telephone interview Sunday. “And the likelihood that these were Fast and Furious guns is certainly plausible.”

Mexican authorities have announced nine arrests in the high-profile case. Among them was Jesus Rejon Aguilar, a Zetas cartel leader who was captured near Mexico City this month.

In Washington, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, is seeking information on the Zapata slaying.

Nelson Peacock, assistant secretary for legislative affairs for the Department of Homeland Security, which includes the immigration and customs agency, told Issa in a letter Friday that investigating Zapata’s killing was a priority.

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4 posted on 07/18/2011 4:35:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
You mean our very own government is corrupt?

Who would have thought!

5 posted on 07/18/2011 4:39:10 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Most Open Administration in History™


6 posted on 07/18/2011 4:42:25 PM PDT by null and void (Day 909. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Guess Melson doesn’t want to be thrown under the bus.


7 posted on 07/18/2011 4:42:53 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Impeach. There are dead Americans because of Obama’s actions.


8 posted on 07/18/2011 4:46:52 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It's not really 'cut, cap and balance,' it's 'tinker, obfuscate, borrow and spend.')
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To: NormsRevenge

Time for folks to come clean.


9 posted on 07/18/2011 4:47:53 PM PDT by popdonnelly (The Liberal Era is over.)
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To: null and void
TRANSPARENCY
10 posted on 07/18/2011 4:51:37 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: EternalVigilance
There are dead Americans because of Obama’s actions.

You ain't seen nuthin' yet.

11 posted on 07/18/2011 4:52:12 PM PDT by null and void (Day 909. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: unixfox
“You mean our very own government is corrupt?”

Need you ask? They're rotten to the core - stink like fish off ice. We know that the top of the pyramid is rotten but it remains to be seen concerning AFT field agents. The moment of truth will be when the next incident such as Branch Davidian or Ruby Ridge occurs - and one will occur. Will ATF field agents walk away and/or refuse to participate? Or, will they do as in the past, fall in line and blindly obey the Obama administration's fascist/statist orders? Folks, what's your prediction? Interested in the opinions of my fellow Great Unwashed aka Joe and Jane Six Pack - you know, we folks that the Obama'kins fear and distrust but say they're here to help, lol....

12 posted on 07/18/2011 4:55:53 PM PDT by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: NormsRevenge

My guess is this was an Obama/Holder scheme to try and force the passage of gun control laws that the American people would not normally support, they were attempting to show how lax gun laws allowed guns into Mexico which were used in crimes against Americans but it all backfired on them when the Republicans won the House and started to investigate it.

Not one single reporter has ever asked Obama if he would ask for a Special prosecuter to take up the Gunwalker probe.


13 posted on 07/18/2011 4:56:45 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Ask a liberal to explain how tax increases create jobs in America)
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To: Typical_Whitey

“Not one single reporter has ever asked Obama if he would ask for a Special prosecuter to take up the Gunwalker probe.”

Obama: Yes, Come investigate my sorry ass and then prosecute me.


14 posted on 07/18/2011 5:01:00 PM PDT by roaddog727 (It's the Constitution, Stupid!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Our federal law enforcement agencies have become extensions of union thuggery.


15 posted on 07/18/2011 5:07:28 PM PDT by pallis
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To: NormsRevenge

The most serious threat to our 2nd Amendment will come from those in or out of power who will push a false flag operation that will kill or injure many innocent Americans to advance their agenda of removing all firearms from the hands of average Americans.

Governments and politicians the world over use these type (false flag) operations, i.e. contrived terrorist events to get political support for an action that otherwise would be difficult to carry out.

These operations have been used the world over by slimy politicians of all flavors. They almost used it within the USA with Operation Northwoods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods


16 posted on 07/18/2011 5:08:22 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: null and void

Don’t tease...Drop me some links..


18 posted on 07/18/2011 5:13:22 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: COBOL2Java

I can see right through the emperor’s new clothes.


19 posted on 07/18/2011 5:13:55 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The liberal press applauded when the NY Times hacked Newt Gingrich's phone calls.)
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To: NormsRevenge
So what's new? We are in a communists controlled government. Having the House doesn't mean much. It will be hell to get enough votes in 2012 to overthrow Obama. And the Senate will be another hard fight. Had lots of hope in the Tea Party to keep the fight hard but not much happening that we can see.
20 posted on 07/18/2011 5:15:09 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: COBOL2Java

I don’t care what it takes to get obami out of office.


21 posted on 07/18/2011 5:15:22 PM PDT by bfree (The revolution is coming - OBAMI IS THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM)
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To: Typical_Whitey

It’s like this.

1.If a reporter asks the Narcissist a question he doesn’t like, that reporter loses his WH credentials. It’s been done before.
2. If a reporter asked Obama about a Special Prosecutor, If Obama didn’t bar him his employer would probably fire him for not being liberal enough.

In other words they don’t want to know, they are happy with Obama and want him back, and this thing is a killer.


22 posted on 07/18/2011 5:16:02 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: NormsRevenge

“The intention of Fast and Furious was to allow illegal straw purchasers to buy guns and then for ATF agents to follow the weapons in the hope of figuring out gun-smuggling routes into Mexico.
But many of the guns were lost in transit, some even before they were shipped south over the border.”

I see the official line is still being parroted by the U.S. Pravda press.

This was clearly an attempt to create fictitious “Facts” (90% of cartel guns come from the U.S.”, in reality about 8%!) in support of the agenda to make a mockery of the second amendment, to institute the sort of “Common Sense Gun Control” pushed by Blooming Idiot-Berg and the Brainless (Brady) bunch.

Obombies “Under the radar” approach flew too high, now it’s visible, if we only take a look!


23 posted on 07/18/2011 5:18:41 PM PDT by Loyal Sedition (Loyal Sedition, often described as "To the right of Attila The Hun"!)
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To: Michael Barnes

Can’t link until the events actually happen.


24 posted on 07/18/2011 5:22:56 PM PDT by null and void (Day 909. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: Typical_Whitey

” ... but it all backfired on them when the Republicans won the House and started to investigate it.”

As I hope the case is for other issues that will come to light.


25 posted on 07/18/2011 5:41:51 PM PDT by Free America52 (The White guys are getting pissed off. We beat Hitler Hirohito and Krushchev. Obama will be easy.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The writer of this piece is Richard Serrano —great guy.

Why in hell is an MSM journalist questioning gov’t decisions?

This is so weird..! It’s like we have a FREE PRESS or something.

(cue Twilight Zone music....)


26 posted on 07/18/2011 5:42:10 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: unixfox
...and incompetent at the same time.

Look how well all these academics have done with the economy. Obama drew from the same well when he picked people for DOJ. Why would they know anything about the law or how to enforce the law.

These are simple ideologues who are using the power gained in an election to do everything they want, despite what the law says.

27 posted on 07/18/2011 5:53:04 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: NormsRevenge

The irony:

FF/Castaway aimed to argue a need to diminish US gun rights. Instead, the truth will demonstrate a need for much *greater* gun rights.

People need to understand the 2nd Amendment was NOT about Grand-pappy’s duck-hunting gun —it is about making the government AFRAID to do certain types of things.

Like this.

I honestly cannot imagine a scenario that would demonstrate untrustworthiness of Government more than FF/Castaway has...it would have to also involve child molestation, or something.

Maybe there are papers showing that Hussein et. al. knew or were prepared to accept it if US officers would almost certainly be killed...?

How would you like to be working for BP/DEA/ATF/Customs right now, knowing your bosses might at some time or other be casually sending you out TO DIE....?

That


28 posted on 07/18/2011 5:54:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: EternalVigilance; NormsRevenge

“Impeach. There are dead Americans...”

Impeachment takes balls. That is decidely lacking in what we have now.

“Our” side is terrified of being called “racist” if they do their Constitutional duty. Afraid of being called a word by despicable, lunatic FREAKS.

Imagine...grown MEN being afraid of a word. Cowards. They deserve contempt.

This Melson guy is singing like a canary, and the GOP does nothing.

All because they’re scared of a word.

Gee...Guess Pavlov was right. There seems to be NO difference between conditionin an animal and conditioning a human being.

FuBO, “My Peoples” Holder, and Hillary Clinto are all over this thing, and they should be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

If there are ANY Patriots left in the government, now is your time to stand the F*** up and DO YOUR DAMNED JOB. You HAVE the reason, you HAVE the proof, and you HAVE the authority.


29 posted on 07/18/2011 6:00:28 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: roaddog727

Exactly, but they asked that very question of Bush and he obliged by appointed Fitz to the Plame Game.


30 posted on 07/18/2011 6:11:21 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Ask a liberal to explain how tax increases create jobs in America)
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To: roaddog727

Exactly, but they asked that very question of Bush and he obliged by appointed Fitz to the Plame Game.


31 posted on 07/18/2011 6:11:36 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Ask a liberal to explain how tax increases create jobs in America)
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope this zit festers for the next 12 months and is popped with vengeance 90 days before the election.


32 posted on 07/18/2011 6:28:19 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: NormsRevenge
do I really have to say it???

33 posted on 07/18/2011 6:40:40 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: popdonnelly
Time for folks to come clean HANG.
34 posted on 07/18/2011 6:45:32 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: NormsRevenge
What is really happening is the Obama Administration is trying to get lower level people to hide behind and abuse Executive Privilege to keep them from coming forward and turning states evidence on misconduct by this Administration.

It is becoming obvious to a lot of these lower level people that this investigation is going to go the distance and that they are going to be liable for obstruction of justice charges and perhaps criminal indictment for some of the things they did on behalf of the Obama Administration unless they come forward and cut a deal.

If these lower level people come forward and turn states evidence then the trail will inevitably lead to the highest levels of the DOJ and DHS and to the White House.

Holder and company are trying to protect themselves, not shield lower level people.

35 posted on 07/18/2011 6:52:26 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: NormsRevenge

For the last 30 years all we have heard is “WAR ON DRUGS”,Drug War,narco trafficantes,drug cartels, Just Say No,THE WAR ON DRUGS,THE WAR ON DRUGS, our society is inundated with these slogans and phrases in all facets of our lives, The vast majority of people have to take a DRUG TEST because of the WAR ON DRUGS, We Spend BILLIONS of Dollars on THE WAR ON DRUGS.
CHARGE EVERY LAST PERSON WITH TREASON, THEY GAVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY DURING A TIME OF WAR ON DRUGS. LOCK THEM ALL UP IN GITMO AS ENEMY COMBATANTS IN THE WAR ON DRUGS. START EXECUTING POLITICAL APPOINTEES RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ACT OF TREASON, AND EVERY LAST SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED.

Why should Government Agents be above the law? if you or I did this, we would be facing the DEATH PENALTY.


36 posted on 07/18/2011 6:52:55 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: NormsRevenge

Issa needs to launch a full Congressional investigation into his scheme and use his powers of subpoena. It has to be done NOW.


37 posted on 07/18/2011 6:53:12 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: NormsRevenge; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks NormsRevenge. Interesting sidebar (not about Zero and Holder's "Fire 'n' Forget" program):
38 posted on 07/18/2011 6:57:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gaijin

Ok, here it is... Well the intro to it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y


39 posted on 07/18/2011 7:14:51 PM PDT by sixstriger
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-guns-scandal-20110719,0,4186466,print.story

The story is dated for July 19, 2011. The same author had two stories about it yesterday.


40 posted on 07/18/2011 7:26:41 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Rebelbase; NFHale
This Melson guy is singing like a canary, and the GOP does nothing.

I hope this zit festers for the next 12 months and is popped with vengeance 90 days before the election.

Next year is the time to impeach at least Holder et al. and dump this baby in the Senate. 17 rat senators are going for re-election.

41 posted on 07/18/2011 7:51:08 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: EternalVigilance

Obama lied, and Citizens DIED!!


42 posted on 07/18/2011 7:53:55 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: eyeamok

If we fought a War on Drugs......how is it that Drugs WON???


43 posted on 07/18/2011 7:56:48 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: NormsRevenge

bump to the top


44 posted on 07/18/2011 8:03:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: gaijin

http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/4050230-Puerto-Rico-cop-fatally-shot-father-injured/

Is there another operation involved? Puerto Rico (US territory) has a exceptionally high murder rate.
No notation of the type of firearms used in the robbery or the number of suspects.


45 posted on 07/18/2011 8:21:14 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope Melson is in a WPProgram. So far one of the other whistle blowers was fired.


46 posted on 07/18/2011 9:02:54 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Remember the very last minute pardons as Clinton left office ? It was Holder who did the legwork setting those up and many on the DoJ were reported as being livid, especially with the pardon of Marc Rich.

I wonder if there’s some still there who’d love to see Holder get his just desserts, could be they’ve all retired by now.


47 posted on 07/18/2011 9:14:04 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: NormsRevenge

Remember the very last minute pardons as Clinton left office ? It was Holder who did the legwork setting those up and many on the DoJ were reported as being livid, especially with the pardon of Marc Rich.

I wonder if there’s some still there who’d love to see Holder get his just desserts, could be they’ve all retired by now.


48 posted on 07/18/2011 9:14:23 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: LucyT

ping #24


49 posted on 07/18/2011 9:17:11 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: NormsRevenge

Obama’s Waterloo ...


50 posted on 07/18/2011 9:58:41 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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