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Why China Wants South China Sea
The Diplomat ^ | July 18, 2011 | Tetsuo Kotani

Posted on 07/18/2011 8:35:07 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

Why China Wants South China Sea

East Asia | Security | China

July 18, 2011By Tetsuo Kotani

Beijing is interested in more than just energy and fishery resources. The area is also integral to its nuclear submarine strategy.

In an effort to underscore its importance to Asia, geostrategist Nicholas Spykman once described it as the ‘Asiatic Mediterranean.’ More recently, it has been dubbed the ‘Chinese Caribbean.’ And, just as Rome and the United States have sought control over the Mediterranean and Caribbean, China now seeks dominance over the South China Sea.

It’s clear that China’s claims and recent assertiveness have increased tensions in this key body of water. Yet while most attention has focused on Beijing’s appetite for fishery and energy resources, from a submariner’s perspective, the semi-closed sea is integral to China’s nuclear strategy. And without understanding the nuclear dimension of the South China Sea disputes, China’s maritime expansion makes little sense.

Possessing a credible sea-based nuclear deterrent is a priority for China's military strategy. China’s single Type 092, or Xia-class, nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine, equipped with short-range JL-1 submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs), has never conducted a deterrent patrol from the Bohai Sea since its introduction in the 1980s. However, China is on the verge of acquiring credible second-strike capabilities with the anticipated introduction of JL-2 SLBMs (with an estimated range of 8,000 kilometres) coupled with DF-31 and DF-31A road-mobile intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). In addition, China plans to introduce up to five Type 094, or Jin-class, SSBNs outfitted with the JL-2 missiles, while constructing an underwater submarine base on Hainan Island in the South China Sea.

It’s clear, then, that China is making every effort to keep the South China Sea off limits, just as the Soviet Union did in the Sea of Okhotsk d

(Excerpt) Read more at the-diplomat.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; decline; fall; japan; pride; southchinasea; ssbn; vanity

1 posted on 07/18/2011 8:35:11 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Oil. Ever hear of off-shore drilling?


2 posted on 07/18/2011 8:37:11 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

colonialism.

but it’s ok if commies do it.


3 posted on 07/18/2011 8:41:25 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hainan Island:

That’s where the US EP-3 was forced down after a mid-air with a Chinese fighter about 10 years ago. The USN was interested in the island cuz it’s been hollowed-out a bit for a huge and well-protected offshore submarine base.

Some say the Chinese have plans for 20 submarines to be based there inside that island.

The Chinese want oil, they want their sea-lanes protected, and they want the USN out of the West Pacific.


4 posted on 07/18/2011 8:52:43 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I commented before reading the full article— DAYUM that was a great article..!

Excellent post —super important material...!

Why can’t mainstream publications get a clue and talk more about this super important stuff....?


5 posted on 07/18/2011 8:55:57 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: ken21

[ colonialism.

but it’s ok if commies do it. ]

Mark my words in the next 50 years the Chinese colonialism of Africa is going to make the European colonialism of Africa 200 years ago look like a humanitarian relief mission.

All China has to do is implement a policy of Chinese working in colonies be exempt from the one child policy and in less than 2-3 generations Africa will be fully colonized.


6 posted on 07/18/2011 9:00:01 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Good luck with Hainan Island chuckleheads.


7 posted on 07/18/2011 9:01:35 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: gaijin
they want the USN out of the West Pacific.

You are correct, but it aint gonna happen.

8 posted on 07/18/2011 9:03:03 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bump for a very interesting article.


9 posted on 07/18/2011 9:03:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (It's not really 'cut, cap and balance,' it's 'tinker, obfuscate, borrow and spend.')
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To: gaijin
‘Chinese Okhotsk.’

China "O"? ♪Whoaa "O" ♪ China "O"

10 posted on 07/18/2011 9:10:50 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: TigersEye

Pei-Ping.


11 posted on 07/18/2011 9:22:06 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
In addition, China plans to introduce up to five Type 094, or Jin-class, SSBNs outfitted with the JL-2 missiles,

Plans? they have already launched 3 or more of the new 094s and are building more.

This article is somewhat behind the curve, IMHO.


THE RISING SEA DRAGON IN ASIA

12 posted on 07/18/2011 9:22:22 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

That sure is a a pretty Target


13 posted on 07/18/2011 9:46:03 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: gaijin

I don’t think we can stop them.


14 posted on 07/18/2011 9:55:23 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: gaijin

“Why can’t mainstream publications get a clue and talk more about this super important stuff....?”

Well, then just who is going to track down the whereabouts of Casey Anthony??????


15 posted on 07/18/2011 10:09:09 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Was just in the Philippines recently and needless to say they are stressed over this matter.

The following is my original post -

May You Live In Interesting Times

16 posted on 07/18/2011 10:10:31 PM PDT by expatguy (Donations make Expat Better!)
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To: Sequoyah101

We dont have the cajones.


17 posted on 07/18/2011 10:16:15 PM PDT by expatguy (Donations make Expat Better!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Yep, oil and natural gas.

And old fashion in your face, “We can do whatever we want.”


18 posted on 07/18/2011 10:21:02 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal (Some things are so idiotic only an intellectual would believe it.)
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To: Jeff Head

Are these photos of the Type 094 submarine? Because I am under the impression that the actual number of 094 in service has never been revealed, nor is there any authentic pictures of it posted online. Am I being mistaken here?


19 posted on 07/18/2011 10:26:37 PM PDT by timchan100
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To: expatguy; gaijin

You underestimate US


20 posted on 07/18/2011 10:35:20 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: mylife
Ten years ago I might have agreed with you - but I've lived over here since 1988 and I have watched the hegemony slowly fade.

Sorry FRiend, the USA is in decline, I'm not a defeatist but a realist - dont for a minute think that the US will go to war with China over the Philippines.

America's biggest concern right now should be the economy.

21 posted on 07/18/2011 10:39:31 PM PDT by expatguy (Donations make Expat Better!)
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To: expatguy

The economy is our biggest challenge and we cant piss the Chinee off.

We can however find their weakness and bargaining points.
We hold the advantage on this naval stuff.


22 posted on 07/18/2011 10:44:17 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: expatguy

And I am doubtful we have the tools, talent or money but what are those things without resolve or cajones?


23 posted on 07/18/2011 10:58:18 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Travis McGee

Ping of interest?


24 posted on 07/18/2011 11:14:17 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

How long before China controls the route through the Indian Ocean?


25 posted on 07/18/2011 11:22:10 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: mylife; gaijin

if Barry wins again in 2012, then this very well MAY happen. That’s why it is super important to not only defeat him, but crush him and the demoncrats so they never try to foist an enemy of the state as president ever again. Obambi should lose by a greater margin than Carter did


26 posted on 07/19/2011 1:03:00 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: mylife; expatguy
Of course the US holds the advantage in naval matters. Academically speaking if we just take the USNavy, it can go up against the navies of the Russians, Brits, French, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Germans, Israelis, Philippines, South Koreans, Italians, Spaniards, Brazilians COMBINED and still crush them easily.

However, two things:

1. That is NOW -- we don't know what will be the situation in 2030, maybe not even 2020
2. it also takes political will besides ability.

27 posted on 07/19/2011 1:06:26 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: familyop; sukhoi-30mki

Not gonna happen. The Indians won’t allow it and the Indians, Vietnamese, Singaporeans,Australians plus the Indonesians and Malaysians all co-operate to some extent to prevent this.


28 posted on 07/19/2011 1:07:18 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

I never claimed that we dont have the ability (we do) we simply don’t have the resolve or will.


29 posted on 07/19/2011 1:11:19 AM PDT by expatguy (Donations make Expat Better!)
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To: expatguy

that comment was directed to mylife. I agreed with your statements


30 posted on 07/19/2011 1:36:11 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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To: Cronos

I don’t disagree.
I am only saying that at present we control the seas.


31 posted on 07/19/2011 3:14:56 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: timchan100
Check out what you can find.

Here's a sino-defence site on the Type 094. They believed the second one was completed in 2007:

TYPE 094 Jin Class SSBN

Remember, there was only one, older SSGN that the Chinese had...so when you start seeing that one and two or three others with the classic humpback for their missiles, you know that they now have more of the newer ones. In that picture above, in the background you can see the entrance to the tunnel to their underground sub facility.

Here's another pic of a single one. The hump is longer on these than on the older sub.

The first one was spotted in 2006.

The Federation of American Scientists indicated that two more had been sighted in March of this year...which would raise the number of the new boats to either three or four.

32 posted on 07/19/2011 6:15:40 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: timchan100
Here's some more photos. These are all photos of subs that are larger than the single, older Xia class that the PLAN had.

Anothjer site about the Jin Class

GlobalSecurity also has a pretty good site regarding the Type 094 indicating that up to three have been launched to date. Lots of info out there.

33 posted on 07/19/2011 6:37:59 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The US shouldn’t bother too much about China and the South China sea. Asia is not Latin America. Asia cannot be dominated by a hegemon the way the US dominated the Western hemisphere.

Right next to China is a wary Russia and a very wary Japan. South Korea is no slouch either and India can match China man for man. To this we add Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia and Vietnam.

China is outnumbered here - easily.

China has been very stupid about the way it goes about relating with other Asian nations. And it’s stupid actions are further isolating it.


34 posted on 07/19/2011 6:57:04 AM PDT by AfricanChristian
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To: sukhoi-30mki

China wants to create the Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, just with them in charge, instead of the Japanese.


35 posted on 07/19/2011 7:06:13 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GraceG

yes.

africa’s rife with chicom scouts, small businesses, etc,

not to mention china’s natal selection of boys leads to

millions of males looking elsewhere for wives.


36 posted on 07/19/2011 7:45:09 AM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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