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Under New Proposed Inflation Measure Seniors Would Lose $720 per Year in Social Security Payments
Economic Policy Journal ^ | 7-18-2011 | Robert Wenzel

Posted on 07/18/2011 10:04:37 PM PDT by blam

Under New Proposed Inflation Measure Seniors Would Lose $720 per Year in Social Security Payments

Economic Policy Journal
Robert Wenzel
July 18, 2011

As I have pointed out before, as part of the current deficit-reduction talks, White House officials and Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle are advocating changes to the way inflation is calculated by using a method to measure inflation known as the "chained consumer price index."

This method would likely result in a slower inflation adjustment rate payment on social security. So if you think the current CPI doesn't reflect price inflation accurately, just wait until the SS administration starts using a Congressionally approved 'chained consumer index".

According the the Senior Citizens League, the average retiree would receive about $720 per year less in inflation adjusted benefits. But the SCL is assuming real price inflation rates around current levels, if price inflation accelerates, as is likely, the reduction in adjusted benefits based on the current measure of CPI will be much greater on an annual basis.

This fraudulent indexing scheme that will screw seniors is being hailed by some as a method a positive step social security. "This is a start in helping us fix Social Security," says David John, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, according to Smart Money. If Bernie Madoff ever proposed such a thing he would of ended up in the slammer, much earlier on in his Ponzi scheme than he did.

The United States shouldn't be in the savings business at all, as is evident, they will use the money to engage in wars and otherwise siphon money off to the politically collected. That said it is an outrage that the government will play with the promised income of the elderly, many of whom trusted the government and have no other sources of income.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budgetcuts; debt; socialsecurity; ss
I'm sure the nice folks in congress will cut all their perks and gold lined benefits and pension programs before they reduce (OLD AGE) SS benefits one penny.

Don't you think so?

1 posted on 07/18/2011 10:04:47 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

We can fund HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS for people who won’t pay for their own children’s meals but can pay for $200 hair-dos, millions of illegals and their children (and the meals noted before) and BILLIONS on “Section 8” (Max Klinger) housing for people who have kids before they even bother to have an apartment.

But for SS, !!!BUGGHA BUGGHHAA BUGGHHAA! YOU ARE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST!!!!!

If the GOP doesn’t take this argument up, they should replaced one and all.


2 posted on 07/18/2011 10:12:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: blam
I do the grocery shopping in my house, and buy pretty much the same basic items on a monthly basis. My grocery bill has increased by at least 1/3rd, probably more. You can't tell me there is no inflation!
3 posted on 07/18/2011 10:13:17 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: blam

Oh, yeah./s


4 posted on 07/18/2011 10:16:15 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: blam
LOL You must be joking.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

5 posted on 07/18/2011 10:18:39 PM PDT by expatguy (Donations make Expat Better!)
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To: MacMattico

I have noticed the same thing. But many here on FR swear we are wrong and food is static or up less than 5%. I got to wonder where they get their food at cause I need to shop there myself.


6 posted on 07/18/2011 10:27:22 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: blam

Our options with Social Security: Cut benefits now or abolish it later. I’d choose the latter. None of the options we seriously have with entitlements are popular, but at some point we are going to have to the face the fact that the Federal government has run out of other people’s money for most of its quasi-socialist programs.


7 posted on 07/18/2011 10:29:35 PM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: blam

Well if we are ever to get the deficit beast in order, SS has GOT to be a part of the picture. EVERY single program will need to be cut. NO EXCEPTIONS! And I have members of my family getting SS, so I Would feel the pain also.


8 posted on 07/18/2011 10:29:52 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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I pay over $1300 per month, every month in SS...and I know for a fact that I am not getting one dime back.


9 posted on 07/18/2011 10:32:32 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: blam

I think they will impose this on everyone who gets a federal check supposedly “indexed” to inflation. The difference is that Congressional pensions are so generous as to make such a change barely noticeable.

For most everyone else, whether living off social security or a standard issue federal pension, it will be plenty noticed.


10 posted on 07/18/2011 10:40:00 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: MacMattico

I live alone so shop only for me and my bill hasn’t gone up much. Since I don’t have to worry about anyone else I can vary what I buy if I think the price is out of line. Since apparently I can get fat on air I don’t eat a lot.

And there is a lot of competition for the food shopper in Chicago.


11 posted on 07/18/2011 10:40:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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To: dsrtsage

It is tax, not a guaranteed benefit according to supreme court in 1960 or 63 if I remember correctly. I cannot remember case at this time


12 posted on 07/18/2011 10:46:17 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: freespirited

There is something especially offensive in that they are considering changing one DAMNED LIE STATISTIC with an even more outrageous DAMNED LIE STATISTIC.


13 posted on 07/18/2011 10:47:25 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: packrat35

A trillion here or there to bail out too big to fail banks... multiple off budget wars...60 billion a year for a redundant Dept. of Homeland Security...A tax rate of 15% for millionaires whose stated income comes strictly from capital gains(interest on investment)...corporations off shoring profits to eliminate paying any taxes at home at all(GE and dozens of other corps.

And Social Security which provides a minimal income to 50 million elderly poor seniors who payed a lifetime of payments into it, and WIC which provides nourishment for new born infants in poverty is on the chopping block, and at at the top of our agenda?

If big banks are “too big to fail” then so is social security.

Want to guess how those 50 million seniors will vote next year.


14 posted on 07/18/2011 10:52:58 PM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: blam

Heh. I guess I haven’t been paying attention so I missed the part where they were discussing downsizing the federal leviathan. If our newly minted Pubbie congresscritters aren’t able, or willing to rein in Jug Ears and his politburo we might just as well kiss our republic goodbye. May God help them hold the line til we can get them some more help in 2012.


15 posted on 07/18/2011 11:04:49 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: MacMattico

I don’t go to the grocery store much but my Sis back home says it is pitiful to see the elderly check out. They can’t afford much more than junk.

Yet we have money to pay welfare mothers with a pack of children of dubious heritage sired by a collection of strapping youth.

We’re fukt’d.


16 posted on 07/18/2011 11:09:11 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: blam
I assume that $720 is an average for all social security recipients; for some it will be more, others less.
What matters is what percentage of that mythical average does that represent?

Then the question becomes, what are all the parasites being reduced?

Legislators and their staff; all public employees at all levels. Are their yearly raises still automatic?
Will welfare recipients in all of the hundreds of programs be reduced the same percentage?
How about people who pay no income taxes, will they continue to get "refunds?"

Will there still be 50% plus of the adult working-age population still paying no income taxes at all?

The meme this week seems to be balance. What sort of joke is that?

I'm on social security and if ALL the above named groups accept real reductions (not reduced increases) I'm willing to share the pain.

Just show me that both the shared pain and the "balance" is real.

17 posted on 07/18/2011 11:12:42 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: blam

Of course, I think you’d be wrong. They deserve it so much more because they work so much harder and get so much more done.


18 posted on 07/18/2011 11:12:50 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: dsrtsage
Same here. I think even if they do away with SS
the money will still be pulled from paychecks and just be used elsewhere. Wait until we have to start paying for Obamacare it is a nightmare
19 posted on 07/18/2011 11:45:07 PM PDT by funfan
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To: blam

Social Security retirement age should be raised one month each year


20 posted on 07/19/2011 12:40:51 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: MacMattico

Your post gave me this idea. I wish someone on FR would tack a weekly update of set items and their prices. Let all of us post the price of that item during the week. I know a can of Folger’s Decaff was running about $6.50 two years ago and now it’s about $11.00.


21 posted on 07/19/2011 12:45:46 AM PDT by ONEBYEONE
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To: MacMattico
"My grocery bill has increased by at least 1/3rd, probably more."

You got that right. No matter what the prices are I have the same amount of money every month and there's no slack in anything. Everything is stretched nearly to the breaking point around here. I have a really good sob story but every day since August of 1970 has been pure gravy, so I'll just keep my tale of woe stowed.

If it goes much further, though, it's praise the Lord and pass the ammunition because I didn't put up with the crap I've put up with in this life to leave a ruined country to my kids and grand kids.

JMHO

Regards

22 posted on 07/19/2011 1:30:20 AM PDT by Rashputin (Obama is insane but kept medicated and on golf courses to hide it)
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To: blam

So what, payments haven’t been increased for two, going on three years. But Congress will get its raise, without even voting on it.


23 posted on 07/19/2011 2:57:52 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: blam

There has been no COLA in SS for two years now in spite of inflation.

What increases? How about Congress putting an end to their automatic pay increases. How about reducing the amounts on ebt cards for food and fun. How about no earmarks and pork. How about booting illegals out of the system?

Nope, we are going to cut old folks and deny them health care.

Way to go America.


24 posted on 07/19/2011 3:11:03 AM PDT by dforest
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To: blam

Seniors have averaged zip, zero, nada increase the last 2 years. [Where is that $250 Nancy P promised?]

Politicians who cut current Social Security amounts will feel the wrath of The Gray Panthers. I doubt many of the politicians up for reelection will see this as such a grand idea.
26 posted on 07/19/2011 5:05:30 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ONEBYEONE

One problem with that is many packages have been reduced in content size, while the price remained the same or actually increased.

To compare like products would require a lot of math calculating to maintain a cost-per-ounce or similar comparison.

I have noticed many product prices fluxuate 25% or more up or down from month to month. Fresh produce has substantial swings, for example.

Right now, in my town of 14k, celery ranges from $1.29 to 1.99, depending on which one of the 4 major grocery stores one uses. Pears from $1.00 to $1.49/lb. Bagged salad (12 oz) from $0.99 to $1.79.
27 posted on 07/19/2011 5:17:50 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Hell, by me Bell Peppers are $1 each!


28 posted on 07/19/2011 9:33:35 AM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: KDD

50 million people living off the taxes of 131 million workers. Wow.


29 posted on 07/20/2011 11:28:25 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: MontaniSemperLiberi

What the taxpayer paid for just one of the bank bailouts would have back-stopped SS for 200 years. End the Empire Nation Building Wars and fix our own damn problems here at home. Going after Seniors’ retirement will sweep the GOP out of any political power next election. The third rail of politics still applies. There is a reason the GOP is called the Stupid Party. Trying to redefine Social Security as welfare will undo the Party.

http://www.aarp.org/politics-society/advocacy/info-04-2011/AARP-fights-against-threats-to-medicare-and-social-security.html


30 posted on 07/21/2011 7:24:02 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: KDD

According to the CBO, all the bank bailouts cost $189 billion.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12187/ChangesBaselineProjections.pdf

This would fund SS for about three months. http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/index.html I’m sure you feel strongly about this issue but the facts are not on your side.

I think most people would realize that 50 million elderly and 60 million people total living off of the taxes paid by 131 million working people is a bad, bad idea. Without changes, many of those taxpayers will be leaving this country. We are a transient culture. Those left behind will envy the Greeks.


31 posted on 07/21/2011 5:21:03 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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