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Man Stomped On Train "Because I'm White"
WPIX-TV ^ | July 18, 2011 | Mary Murphy

Posted on 07/19/2011 8:15:49 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BRONX, NY (PIX11)— "I asked them to lower their voices and then they started in on me, 'Shut the f--- up, white boy. We'll beat the s--t out of you, cracker.'"

Jason Fordell, 29, of the Bronx, said that was the first exchange he had with three black men and a Hispanic man on the #4 subway train near Grand Central early Sunday morning, and by the time the train got to Fordham Road, Fordell says he was being beaten and stomped by other passengers who were egging the original group on. "Eventually, half the car" joined in, Fordell told PIX 11 Monday, showing us his badly bruised left eye. Most of the suspects got away, after stealing his bags and money, and Fordell said the incident should have been treated as a hate crime.

Fordell told us he had been selling leather, Goth-style clothing he designs at an East Village club, before heading home about 5am Sunday morning. He was tattooed and dressed in black, Goth attire--to help market his products--when he transferred to the #4 train at 42nd Street. That's when he asked the group to quiet down.

The argument escalated as the train headed north, Fordell said. "They started saying racist things like white boy this, white boy that.". Fordell said he was getting angry when the Hispanic man joined the taunting, "They're calling me cracker, and so I called him s--c."PIX 11 asked, "So you used a slur?--If you're using racial slurs, why should police call it a hate crime?" Fordell's response: "because they're the ones who started with me."

Fordell told us he's blind in the left eye, so the eye turns in, and the group started taunting him about that. He said he called 9-1-1 and suggested police meet the train at Burnside Avenue. He then lost the 9-1-1 call. Before he reached Fordham Road, Fordell told PIX 11 the beating began, "A bunch of people started stomping on me, and I had footprints on my back."

Fordell said two guys from the original group stole his bags, so he chased them down to the Metrocard booth at Fordham Road. The fight continued. When cops arrived, he pointed out a straphanger that he said had joined in the beating. "I recognized him, because he had an Army hat on.". Police arrested 54-year-old Barminth Ramoutar of Queens, who had no prior criminal record. Ramoutar is being charged with felony gang assault. The original group got away.

Fordell insists the beating was a race thing. "If I was dressed 'hip hop' and I was darker, I don't think it would have happened in the first place."

When we called the NYPD to ask why the incident wasn't deemed a hate crime, a spokesman said detectives had to evaluate a number of things. "Was race the motivating factor in the assault? Our Hate Crime Task Force was not investigating it as a bias incident."

Fordell said the Goth accessories that were stolen were worth between five and ten thousand dollars. He said he started designing because "the economy is so messed up, and I kept trying to find work. I don't want to be on unemployment like everyone else. I manage to pay my rent."

When PIX 11 happened to meet another Goth fan at the Forham Road station on Monday, he sympathized with Fordell but said he shouldn't have complained about the noise. "He should have just switched cars," said Joey Martinez.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: beating; blackkk; bronx; florida; georgezimmerman; manhattan; newyork; newyorkcity; racism; subway; trayvonmartin
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1 posted on 07/19/2011 8:15:57 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Doesn’t seem too bright for new yorker on a subway at 0500.


2 posted on 07/19/2011 8:19:25 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“...”Was race the motivating factor in the assault?...”

Well, uh, you think? Sounds like it to me.


3 posted on 07/19/2011 8:21:46 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (In Memphis on January 20, 2009, pump price were $1.49. We all know what happened after that.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Nothing to see here; move along.


4 posted on 07/19/2011 8:22:43 AM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Only Dr. Doolittle should try to talk to animals.


5 posted on 07/19/2011 8:22:59 AM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Rule #1... NEVER confront anyone on the subway unless you're packing... then think about it before you open your mouth...

Rule #2 NEVER talk to anyone on the subway no matter what .. You should know where you're going before you embark on your trip.

Rule #3 NEVER stare at anyone... END

6 posted on 07/19/2011 8:26:36 AM PDT by xtinct (The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you..Be Strong Patriots!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Jaded; Ryan Spock; upchuck; TheMom; TChris; Xenalyte; Semper Vigilantis; ...
Man Stomped On Train "Because I'm White"

I'm white, too, but I've never used that as an excuse for stomping on trains.

7 posted on 07/19/2011 8:27:12 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Public schools = TSA: incompetent, invasive, anti-American. Why are we putting up with either one?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"He should have just switched cars," said Joey Martinez.

That's right, blame the victim.

8 posted on 07/19/2011 8:28:52 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: jtal

I love how we’ve spent the last 100 years fighting for “civil rights” for these animals. Let’s look back to Gettysburg . . . to all these marches . ..all this BS to give these ingrates an equal footing on our terms.

Now a good majority fo them want nothing but to take away the rights of others to live in a civil society, the greatest racists being themselves.

It’s a sickness — and there’s no use fighting for it anymore, to give one’s life for it. I REFUSE EVER to be suckered into it again, emotionally or intellectually.


9 posted on 07/19/2011 8:28:58 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Can’t be long now before Eric Holder files a civil rights violation law suit.


10 posted on 07/19/2011 8:29:14 AM PDT by beekay
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To: Tax-chick

” I’ve never used that as an excuse for stomping on trains. “

Good thing I read the posts before posting - ya beat me to it... ;~)

My Sophomore English Teacher would have flunked my butt all the way back to “Romper Room” if I had turned in such an ambiguous headline....


11 posted on 07/19/2011 8:30:55 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

PC “black Sharia”. It’s not racism until a devout black liberation theologian says it is. The reporter has learned to be a good dhimmi.


12 posted on 07/19/2011 8:31:19 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“If I was dressed ‘hip hop’ and I was darker”

....OMG I cannot believe what a racist this guy is. He should be fired from his job and thrown in jail and should be forced to pay into a scholarship fund in the name of the victims of his hatred </sarc>


13 posted on 07/19/2011 8:32:26 AM PDT by thepatriot1 (...brought to you courtesy of the Red, White and Blue)
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To: xtinct

An armed society is a polite society.


14 posted on 07/19/2011 8:32:35 AM PDT by Brownie63
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To: stuartcr

Well, in a way you are right. But, I don’t care how dumb this guy was...if it was the other way around, and the victim here was the black one, well...you know what we all would be hearing now. This event would have made the national news, demonstrations would be in the streets, Sharpton would be at his side and Jesse Jackson would be on a plane to NY to support the victim and rally the troops. Yep, there would be holy he** in NY if he were not a white guy who received the beating .


15 posted on 07/19/2011 8:33:08 AM PDT by CitizenM (He who is silent is understood to consent)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Ok to say white boy and cracker, but it's a horrifying hate crime to say nigger or spic. How did nigger become the worst word in the world, but craker is just A OK?

So many people are afraid to admit it, but the africanization of this culture is what is ruining this country.

16 posted on 07/19/2011 8:34:19 AM PDT by Post5203 (Our political class have sullied a good man's name...Washington)
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To: xtinct

And never ride the 4 train at 4:00 in the morning.


17 posted on 07/19/2011 8:34:28 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (I'm clinging to my God and my guns. You can keep the change.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Man ignored by Justice Department because he is White.


18 posted on 07/19/2011 8:34:28 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: LibsRJerks

Its REALLY bad out here! Walk away IS the best case, and I say this after suffering many assaults (bricks thrown, slammed once, wrist broken, etc).

Recently, one perp boarded with a shower cap on and phone glued to her ear, yakking incessently in ‘cell phone free’ car. When someone stood to ask her to be quiet, she stood up and hollored, “hey mother——, don’t you know? Obama’s the president now, we ain’t yer slaves no mo.” It ended only at last stop where police had to escort her away after threatening several nearby passengers. Jeesh!


19 posted on 07/19/2011 8:35:07 AM PDT by conductor john (from jersey)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Problem with many white New Yorker City types are they tend to be liberal and cannot mind their own business. Unfortunately they are slowly learning that their nanny tendencies are running into black/hispanic inner city intolerance of anyone trying to tell them what to do or not to do especially from whites.
Not long ago a white New York subway rider complained to two black girls eating on the subway car during rush hour. Based on the youtube video, the white lady did not like the slurping sound as one of the black girl was eating her take out speghetti dinner while riding. It almost started a severe beating and stomping as the two infuriated black girls confronted the white lady complainer and made threatening moves. Granted how the girls reacted is wrong, but why in the Sam Hill did the white woman open her mouth and complain to them. White liberals being beaten by black inner city kids who are suppose to be their political allies is a sight to behold. Contrary to many freepers, I like to see more of it. Maybe many white liberals may start to have second thoughts about inner city blacks.


20 posted on 07/19/2011 8:37:03 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

HOLDER’S PEOPLE.


21 posted on 07/19/2011 8:39:10 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It could have been even worse if he was wearing a Palin 2012 button. NYC, was never like this in the 50’s. You could ride from Brighton Beach Brooklyn to Van Courtland Park and never have any kind of an incedent. We the American People brought this down upon ourselves since the end of the 60’s. Keep up the good work! s/


22 posted on 07/19/2011 8:41:06 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fight with smear, Conservatives fight with truth. Palin & West team are 2012's dream)
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To: xtinct
Rule #3 NEVER stare at anyone... END

Rule #4: Carry a revolver that cannot be traced to you. If you have to shoot, do it. Drop the gun and walk away after emptying it.

23 posted on 07/19/2011 8:41:26 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (Forget the Lawyers....first kill the journalists! - Die Ritter, die sagen, nee)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

He may not have the best judgment, but at least he’s enterprising and motivated. I like that he said he was designing Goth accessories because he wanted to be able to pay his rent and not be on unemployment.


24 posted on 07/19/2011 8:41:26 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Fee

” they tend to be liberal and cannot mind their own business. Unfortunately they are slowly learning that their nanny tendencies are running into black/hispanic inner city intolerance of anyone trying to tell them what to do or not to do especially from whites. “

Hey - I’m a smoker — being accosted and harangued in public places by absolute strangers is not a new experience....


25 posted on 07/19/2011 8:42:16 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: beekay
Can’t be long now before Eric Holder files a civil rights violation law suit against Jason Fordell.
26 posted on 07/19/2011 8:45:05 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Tax-chick

Godzilla doesn't care what color you are!..............

27 posted on 07/19/2011 8:45:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Tax-chick

I've never used being white as an excuse to stomp the yard, either.

28 posted on 07/19/2011 8:46:01 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I have a LTCF, and where it’s not legal, I don’t go. Period.


29 posted on 07/19/2011 8:46:01 AM PDT by domeika
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To: CitizenM

If always applies to something that didn’t happen.


30 posted on 07/19/2011 8:49:29 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What is a “straphanger”?


31 posted on 07/19/2011 8:49:57 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Reality. One way enforcement of “hate crime” laws will not decrease hate but will increase it. It was the perception of blacks getting preferential treatment by law enforcement during reconstruction that gave birth to the KKK. Our justice system needs to tread lightly here. It does not have to be real injustice. A general perception that the system is unjust will result in vigilantism. A really bad by-product is that innocent people get hurt in the overall increase in violence.


32 posted on 07/19/2011 8:51:00 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Where is Mayor Tinkerbell, shouldn’t he be having a press conference or something, seem he has time to stick his nose into everything else...must be busy with trasfats and salt legislation...that will make NYC safe...


33 posted on 07/19/2011 8:53:18 AM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: NEMDF

Anyone who rides the subway. Years ago they actually had straps attached to the over head pole to hand onto when all the seats were taken (rush hour).


34 posted on 07/19/2011 8:53:56 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: LibsRJerks
Now a good majority of them want nothing but to take away the rights of others to live in a civil society, the greatest racists being themselves.

My greatest contempt and anger is toward their manipulators, the white liberal "plantation Masters." The "Masters" have used them as a foil to destroy our former civil society in order to build their world socialist "utopia." From LBJ onward they have systematically been at work dismantling the foundations of American society.

I also have endless contempt for the voters who have been brainless enough to elevate these tribal despots into positions of power sufficient to destroy America. Obama is a self-inflicted disaster.

35 posted on 07/19/2011 8:55:46 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: domeika
I have a LTCF, and where it’s not legal, I don’t go. Period

It's legal everywhere in the US, our Constitution says so. Those laws making it "not legal" are themselves not legal.

But until some of the Commies making and enforcing those unconstitutional laws get some hard time for violating our civil right it will continue.

36 posted on 07/19/2011 8:56:23 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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37 posted on 07/19/2011 8:56:34 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
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To: Bringbackthedraft

60’s too, I use to ride all over alone, to Flushing and down to Canal. I am thinking of a New England cruise out of NJ and would like to revisit some old haunts, but getting there on public transits worries me.


38 posted on 07/19/2011 8:59:30 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

He should have given them each five dollars.


39 posted on 07/19/2011 9:02:56 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: stuartcr

“I asked them to lower their voices,,,”

There it is. The racist pig asked for it. sarc/


40 posted on 07/19/2011 9:07:55 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: xtinct

“Rule #1... NEVER confront anyone on the subway unless you’re packing... then think about it before you open your mouth...
Rule #2 NEVER talk to anyone on the subway no matter what .. You should know where you’re going before you embark on your trip.

Rule #3 NEVER stare at anyone... END”

Rule #3 Never even LOOK at anyone,,,ever. Fixed it.


41 posted on 07/19/2011 9:10:20 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: xtinct

The one and only time I ever rode the NYC subway was on a business trip about a decade ago. I was with two co-workers and after a few rounds they decided that they wanted “the NY subway experience”. I reluctantly tagged along on a late-night ride from South Manhattan to Times Square. It would have been only mildly uncomfortable had one of my co-workers not been one of those annoying types that insisted on chatting up every girl in the room. He kept approaching a girl who was obviously with a couple of gangbangers. After he did it twice the playas started getting ready to do some business. At that point we happened to be stopped at a station and we more or less frog-marched our buddy off the train. BTW, Times Square was seedy and dismal. We caught a cab back to the hotel.


42 posted on 07/19/2011 9:12:12 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"He said he was returning home at 5 a.m. from an East Village nightclub where he sells his hand-designed leather accessories..."

Fordell, selling his wares (Facebook).

"Fordell was returning home early yesterday morning from the East Village, where he sells his LethalWear leather goods."

Jason, are you sure this only happened to you because you're white? Is there any other reason that you can think of?

43 posted on 07/19/2011 9:20:27 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Fee

These Black on white crimes have accelerated this year .
The media and politicians ignoring this cannot make the bad guys go away. conceal the truth. Whites are second class citizens in Zer0’s country.

The taste of Chicago had it’s most dismal season since it began.
Whites are not going to put themselves in harms way.

Meanwhile ,suburban festivals are doing great business. No thugs.


44 posted on 07/19/2011 9:21:32 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: chessplayer
"Never even LOOK at anyone,,,ever"

So true. When I was a kid, I secretly suspected that the only thing that blacks were capable of saying was "whatta you lookin' at?" because that was all I ever heard them say. Back in the '70s that phrase was usually accompanied by a menacing advancing step and a balled fist. (Keep in mind I was under 10 and these upstanding citizens of color were mostly adults.) I learned pretty fast not to look at them. So did all the other kids that I compared notes with.

45 posted on 07/19/2011 9:26:45 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Arm yourself(even if it is against the laws of your masters) or leave the zoo.

Those are the only two reasonable choices open to you. The badges will do nothing to help you and bystanders would be just as likely as not to join in the beat down.

So get a gun, or get gone.


46 posted on 07/19/2011 9:28:20 AM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: xtinct

You are right, although it’s not the guy’s fault, and it is a race crime.

I grew up in NY, and the first thing my parents drilled into me about the city was to become deaf and dumb to people with even the slightest hint about making trouble.

And clear out if there is the slightest problem. My mom told me, “The rule to surviving in the city is stay in the good areas, stay off the subway, try never to be alone, and pretend everyone is a nut that doesn’t ooze respectability.

And don’t start or egg on ANY fights. You never know when they are a nut or a violent minority racist.


47 posted on 07/19/2011 9:30:03 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: chessplayer

Apparently not a smart or safe thing to say that morning.


48 posted on 07/19/2011 9:32:31 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: NEMDF
The old cars had straps hanging. If you had no seats, you would grab a strap to help stablize you. I also remember big metal loops that hinged downward you could grab. He's basically saying the car was so crowded that people were hanging from the straps.


49 posted on 07/19/2011 9:38:27 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Coming soon to your town....


50 posted on 07/19/2011 9:41:44 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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