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Genetic research confirms that non-Africans are part Neanderthal
http://www.physorg.com ^ | 07-18-2011 | Staff + University of Montreal

Posted on 07/19/2011 8:40:48 AM PDT by Red Badger

Some of the human X chromosome originates from Neanderthals and is found exclusively in people outside Africa, according to an international team of researchers led by Damian Labuda of the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Montreal and the CHU Sainte-Justine Research Center. The research was published in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution.

"This confirms recent findings suggesting that the two populations interbred," says Dr. Labuda. His team places the timing of such intimate contacts and/or family ties early on, probably at the crossroads of the Middle East.

Neanderthals, whose ancestors left Africa about 400,000 to 800,000 years ago, evolved in what is now mainly France, Spain, Germany and Russia, and are thought to have lived until about 30,000 years ago. Meanwhile, early modern humans left Africa about 80,000 to 50,000 years ago. The question on everyone's mind has always been whether the physically stronger Neanderthals, who possessed the gene for language and may have played the flute, were a separate species or could have interbred with modern humans. The answer is yes, the two lived in close association.

"In addition, because our methods were totally independent of Neanderthal material, we can also conclude that previous results were not influenced by contaminating artifacts," adds Dr. Labuda.

Dr. Labuda and his team almost a decade ago had identified a piece of DNA (called a haplotype) in the human X chromosome that seemed different and whose origins they questioned. When the Neanderthal genome was sequenced in 2010, they quickly compared 6000 chromosomes from all parts of the world to the Neanderthal haplotype. The Neanderthal sequence was present in peoples across all continents, except for sub-Saharan Africa, and including Australia.

"There is little doubt that this haplotype is present because of mating with our ancestors and Neanderthals. This is a very nice result, and further analysis may help determine more details," says Dr. Nick Patterson, of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard University, a major researcher in human ancestry who was not involved in this study.

"Dr. Labuda and his colleagues were the first to identify a genetic variation in non-Africans that was likely to have come from an archaic population. This was done entirely without the Neanderthal genome sequence, but in light of the Neanderthal sequence, it is now clear that they were absolutely right!" adds Dr. David Reich, a Harvard Medical School geneticist, one of the principal researchers in the Neanderthal genome project.

So, speculates Dr. Labuda, did these exchanges contribute to our success across the world? "Variability is very important for long-term survival of a species," says Dr. Labuda. "Every addition to the genome can be enriching." An interesting match, indeed.


TOPICS: Canada; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: caveman; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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1 posted on 07/19/2011 8:40:51 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

So it’s going to come down to “African is the PURE species of man?? Puleeeeeeez.....


2 posted on 07/19/2011 8:44:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Red Badger

Could that explain our yen for grilled meat?


3 posted on 07/19/2011 8:45:48 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Red Badger
So, is there really such a thing as a Neanderthal???

Man is soooooo vain....

4 posted on 07/19/2011 8:46:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Sheila Jackson Lee....

Now THERE is evidence of a more evolved breed of human!


5 posted on 07/19/2011 8:48:22 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Sacajaweau

Just look at the NFL.
The evidence has been right before our eyes for a long time!...............


6 posted on 07/19/2011 8:49:54 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: married21

Maybe explains sushi and Steak Tartar...........


7 posted on 07/19/2011 8:51:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Red Badger
Dr. Labuda and his team almost a decade ago had identified a piece of DNA (called a haplotype) in the human X chromosome that seemed different and whose origins they questioned. When the Neanderthal genome was sequenced in 2010, they quickly compared 6000 chromosomes from all parts of the world to the Neanderthal haplotype. The Neanderthal sequence was present in peoples across all continents, except for sub-Saharan Africa, and including Australia.

So it's true what most non-Negroid peoples sense intuitively. Black Africans ARE different from us, and not just in outward appearances.

8 posted on 07/19/2011 8:51:58 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Red Badger
As a member of a disadvantaged subhuman species I hereby demand the US government provide me with a monthly check to offset my lower earnings potential.
9 posted on 07/19/2011 8:52:35 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Red Badger

Farrakhan is right!


10 posted on 07/19/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Red Badger
Genetic research confirms that non-Africans are part Neanderthal ... and probably more advanced as a result.

Take Back AMERICA!
FUBO GTFO 2012 !

11 posted on 07/19/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Red Badger

So which is it... Neanerthal or Neandertal?


12 posted on 07/19/2011 8:54:15 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Red Badger

So which is it... Neanderthal or Neandertal?


13 posted on 07/19/2011 8:54:27 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Red Badger

Too bad the Great Ice Ship of my ancestors melted during the 1st global warming. We lost all our proof of origin. Our original COBs went down with the ship. :o(


14 posted on 07/19/2011 8:54:55 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Liberals fight with smear, Conservatives fight with truth. Palin & West team are 2012's dream)
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To: Sacajaweau
So it’s going to come down to “African is the PURE species of man?? Puleeeeeeez.....

I don't think that is what they are saying at all. For all we know, the reason North African, Middle Eastern, European and Asian populations advanced, developed cities, farming, writing, and so on, while sub-Saharan people did not is because of the Neanderthal genes. Just because the popular view of Neanderthals is that they were stupid doesn't mean it's true.

15 posted on 07/19/2011 8:56:48 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Wolfstar

There are those who believe that the ‘Nephilim’ of the Old Testament mentioned in Genesis are actually Neanderthals that had survived up until the time of the dawn of civilization...............


16 posted on 07/19/2011 8:58:02 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
As a member of a disadvantaged subhuman species I hereby demand the US government provide me with a monthly check to offset my lower earnings potential.

Hahahaha...thanks for the great laugh to start my day. :)

17 posted on 07/19/2011 8:59:21 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Sopater

Depends on whether you are German or not..............


18 posted on 07/19/2011 8:59:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Upstate NY Guy
As a member of a disadvantaged subhuman species I hereby demand the US government provide me with a monthly check to offset my lower earnings potential

As best I can tell having Neaderthal genetics incorporated into your DNA software code is effectively an upgrade.

Neanderthal genetics, it's like jailbreaking the Homo Sapiens so he can hit maximum potential.

19 posted on 07/19/2011 8:59:52 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Watch what people DO, not what they say.)
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To: Red Badger

I don’t like the word Neanderthal. I prefer First Persons.


20 posted on 07/19/2011 9:00:34 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Sopater

>>So which is it... Neanerthal or Neandertal?<<

Neanerthal.

Neaner, neaner, neaner!!!!!


21 posted on 07/19/2011 9:00:44 AM PDT by MeganC (Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Wolfstar
Black Africans ARE different from us, and not just in outward appearances.

Yes, but still the overall genetic differences are very small. All different races can have offspring with each other.

22 posted on 07/19/2011 9:00:50 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Red Badger

There´s good evidence that Neanderthals put flowers into the graves of their dead, who were also purposely buried. I wouldn´t mind being linked to those who practiced among the earliest of religious rites.


23 posted on 07/19/2011 9:00:51 AM PDT by onedoug (If bulls)
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To: Red Badger; All
I have to say first, I am a white male, 47. This is the second time I read this here, so these scientists are saying non-africans are human, and africans are primates?
Why NOW with a black president is the media posting such violitile topics? Normally all you hear is the spoonfed crap, like what the Obama’s had for lunch, or Republicans are bad because.... This is similar to the post where black men are better off in prison then outside.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2748766/posts

I have to ask (again) is the media TRYING to start a race war? They have happily helped to put America into the position we are at now. Seems like all they have left to do is incite us into a civil war.

24 posted on 07/19/2011 9:00:56 AM PDT by ConservativeChris
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To: Bringbackthedraft
We lost all our proof of origin. Our original COBs went down with the ship.

Don't worry, "Uncle Baraq" knows some people who can fix you up with a COB.

Take Back AMERICA!
FUBO GTFO 2012 !

25 posted on 07/19/2011 9:01:09 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: Sacajaweau

“So, speculates Dr. Labuda, did these exchanges contribute to our success across the world? “ “Every addition to the genome can be enriching.”

He seems to be arguing for the success of non-African populations- those that had cross bred with the Neanderthal line. The doctor must look out, the PC police may cometh.


26 posted on 07/19/2011 9:01:09 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: DManA

Nephilim may be more accurate.................


27 posted on 07/19/2011 9:01:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: MeganC
Neanerthal

Oops, I'm only on my 3rd cup of coffee this morning. Things will get better soon.
28 posted on 07/19/2011 9:04:25 AM PDT by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: Red Badger
The skull of a Nephilim is slightly larger than that of a Nenderthal...

29 posted on 07/19/2011 9:04:45 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: grumpygresh
I'm reading it differently.

Location, location, location...and good or bad...African is the PURE race.

30 posted on 07/19/2011 9:06:44 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: evets

Maybe Neanderthals are the children of Nephilim................


31 posted on 07/19/2011 9:08:29 AM PDT by Red Badger (PEAS in our time? Obama cries PEAS! PEAS! when there is no PEAS!..........................)
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To: Red Badger; Sopater
It depends on era from which you choose the dialect. The "t" and "th" are both pronounced "t." The word means "Neander Valley."

Additional useless bit of trivia. Our word "dollar" comes from "thaler" or "taler," which was a mediaeval coin minted in (and with silver mainly from) the Joachimsthal, in Bohemia.

32 posted on 07/19/2011 9:13:20 AM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Red Badger

Well, a little problem with that view, Noah and his kin were supposedly pure blooded and everyone else supposedly died in the flood. Unless he included a pair of First Persons in the ark.


33 posted on 07/19/2011 9:13:51 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Moonman62
Yes, but still the overall genetic differences are very small. All different races can have offspring with each other.

True, but those genetic differences make sub-Saharan (euphemism for black) Africans a separate subspecies of Homo sapiens sapiens (anatomically modern humans).

Subspecies is either a taxonomic rank subordinate to species, or a taxonomic unit in that rank. Organisms that belong to different subspecies of the same species are capable of interbreeding and producing fertile offspring.

Neanderthals were also a subspecies of homo sapiens (homo sapiens neanderthalensis). This evidence proves they were capable of interbreeding with homo sapiens sapiens.

34 posted on 07/19/2011 9:14:05 AM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Moonman62
All different races can have offspring with each other.

Don't you mean 'ethnicities'? There's only one race, the Human one. Every other distinction is local and only amounts to variation of the basic type.

35 posted on 07/19/2011 9:14:10 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Wolfstar

Totally agree, what happened to the Neanderthals? We are the Neanderthals! Modern humans and Neanderthals interbred to create us. Which ever group discovered fermentation first should be given credit.


36 posted on 07/19/2011 9:15:21 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Centurion2000
As best I can tell having Neaderthal genetics incorporated into your DNA software code is effectively an upgrade.

Maybe, but some of my old apps are no longer working.

37 posted on 07/19/2011 9:16:50 AM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Scanian

“Sheila Jackson Lee....

Now THERE is evidence of a more evolved breed of human!”

DEVO was right!
“Are we not men?”


38 posted on 07/19/2011 9:17:03 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Red Badger
There are those who believe that the ‘Nephilim’ of the Old Testament mentioned in Genesis are actually Neanderthals that had survived up until the time of the dawn of civilization..

Ah yes. Gen 6:4: "...heroes of old, men of renown"

39 posted on 07/19/2011 9:17:28 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Because I have a double X ... I demand double monthly compensation.


40 posted on 07/19/2011 9:17:46 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Look out Left Coast, we are coming and we have Bibles and Guns! LOL)
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To: jpsb

Neanderthal child.

41 posted on 07/19/2011 9:19:51 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Red Badger
You say your French Canadian meat pie is made with real French Canadians? I distinctly tasted Anglophone!

I'll have the curried homo sapiens tongue, with mango salsa, please.


42 posted on 07/19/2011 9:21:24 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Moonman62

And black Americans are interbred with whites, so they will in all probability have this haplotype as well.


43 posted on 07/19/2011 9:24:34 AM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: Erasmus

That is the modern pronunciation. A century ago the th had the other pronunciation in German.


44 posted on 07/19/2011 9:24:45 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: jpsb
Which ever group discovered fermentation first should be given credit.

I vote for the non-Neanderthal guys. They must have been the inventor of beer goggles so they would mate with those Neanderthal gals.

45 posted on 07/19/2011 9:28:12 AM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: ConservativeChris
these scientists are saying non-africans are human, and africans are primates?

No real scientist is going to say humans aren't primates.

46 posted on 07/19/2011 9:36:01 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Moonman62

When a kid we had a perverted dog that raped our tomcat.


47 posted on 07/19/2011 9:37:31 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: DManA
"Well, a little problem with that view, Noah and his kin were supposedly pure blooded and everyone else supposedly died in the flood. Unless he included a pair of First Persons in the ark."

Noah was described as a man 'perfect in his generations', but no such mention for his kin.

48 posted on 07/19/2011 9:42:46 AM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

If you can make the case to the right people in the right places that giving your “group” special privileges will somehow give communists more power in America,

you might have a shot at it.


49 posted on 07/19/2011 9:43:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Straight Vermonter
That is the modern pronunciation. A century ago the th had the other pronunciation in German.

I hadn't heard that. A cursory search turns up no reference. Do you have a pointer you could share?

50 posted on 07/19/2011 9:44:23 AM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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