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Will California remap give Democrats two-thirds majorities
Sacramento Bee ^ | 7/19/11 | Dan Walters

Posted on 07/19/2011 9:09:51 AM PDT by SmithL

Gov. Jerry Brown and his fellow Democrats in the Legislature were frustrated this year in seeking a few Republican votes to close the state's budget deficit by asking voters to approve billions of dollars in tax extensions.

Support from at least two Republicans in both legislative houses was needed for the two-thirds majorities required to pass the special election constitutional amendment that Brown and Democrats sought.

As the months-long talks collapsed, the Democrats said they'd try to pick up enough seats in the 2012 elections to secure two-thirds margins, thereby cutting the GOP out of future tax issues. And the redistricting plans now nearing approval by the new independent redistricting commission could set the stage for achieving that goal, either in 2012 or in 2014.

Commissioners made a number of minor adjustments in their draft maps last week and are to have another review later this week in anticipation of releasing them for public review late this month and adopting a final plan in August.

Analysts on both sides of the political aisle have plumbed the new maps for their political content – a factor the commission is not supposed to be considering – and agree they would give Democrats a very strong opportunity to win 27 Senate seats and 54 in the Assembly, two-thirds majorities in both houses.

All 80 Assembly seats will be up in 2012, plus half of the 40 Senate seats, with the remainder on the ballot in 2014.

Paul Mitchell, a Democratic political consultant who runs Redistricting Partners, is one of several analysts who have tracked day-to-day changes in the maps being drawn by the 14-member Citizens Redistricting Commission. He concludes that the Democrats' 27/54 goal is within fairly easy grasp,

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bluestate; goldenstate; granolastate; paulmitchell; redistricting

1 posted on 07/19/2011 9:09:55 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

And when the Stalinist rodents achieve that goal, the collapse of California will be complete.


2 posted on 07/19/2011 9:11:53 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Is there a way to kick a State out of the Union?


3 posted on 07/19/2011 9:15:16 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

And the Dems will have complete ownership of the collapse.


4 posted on 07/19/2011 9:15:47 AM PDT by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (I don't have hobbies. I'm developing a robust post-apocalyptic skill set.)
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To: SmithL

Let California be an object lesson. Let America watch and learn.


5 posted on 07/19/2011 9:16:57 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
You think so? They'll just hit DC (IOW, the other 49 states) up to bail them out. If Soetoro wins reelection, it will happen.

This whole debt “crisis” now is being used as a trial balloon for crap like CA that's waiting down the road, IMO.

6 posted on 07/19/2011 9:18:33 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Perry/Bachmann 2012 - they can share hair care products.)
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To: screaminsunshine
Is there a way to kick a State out of the Union?

If you find one, use it on Texas. Please.

7 posted on 07/19/2011 9:18:39 AM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: fieldmarshaldj

One can only hope the collapse will be swift, devastating, and complete. OTOH, one would have to believe the citizens of CA including democrats, are complete and utter idiots to allow such a takeover.

Time will tell. I’m in with the citizens winning this one.


8 posted on 07/19/2011 9:19:15 AM PDT by wita
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To: San Jacinto; screaminsunshine; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj
“Is there a way to kick a State out of the Union?”

Some of us have been wondering about this for a while now.

I don't see why a POTUS couldn't expel a state, for example (assuming s/he has a willing Congress, SCOTUS and military to back him/her).

9 posted on 07/19/2011 9:21:29 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Perry/Bachmann 2012 - they can share hair care products.)
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To: SmithL

Elections have consequences. The Democrats have a strangle hold over California and that means that they can gerrymander ‘Pubbies right out their districts.
I wish the ‘Pubbie majority in Georgia would ruthlessly gerrymander Democrats out of their seats. Unfortunately, I think we had it over some sort of “non-partisan” council.


10 posted on 07/19/2011 9:21:45 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: San Jacinto

If you find one, use it on Texas. Please.

I was shocked, in the opposite of your thought, unexpressed, until I looked at the screen name.


11 posted on 07/19/2011 9:27:22 AM PDT by wita
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To: wita

Where is the evidence that the people of CA can understand fiscal issues?


12 posted on 07/19/2011 9:34:36 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: SmithL

that’s why conspiracy theories about Democrats always gain traction. They’ve shown they are capable of just about anything where power is concerned.


13 posted on 07/19/2011 9:39:36 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SmithL

A People’s Socialist Dictatorship for California. This is also what the Demonrats seek nation-wide. And evolving demographics seem to favor that eventuality.


14 posted on 07/19/2011 9:44:45 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Obamania in 2012)
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To: SmithL
Question: "Will California remap give Democrats two-thirds majorities"

Answer. Yes.

15 posted on 07/19/2011 9:48:08 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SmithL

Let’s hope the new state of South California gets established (I can dream, can’t I?).


16 posted on 07/19/2011 9:48:19 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Palin / West in 2012 or West / Palin. Either combination will serve America well.)
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To: SmithL

In California we already have the highest income taxes, sales taxes, and gasoline taxes. The next thing coming will be a wealth tax on assets. If you stay in California long enough they will take everything that you have. It will be “for the children.”


17 posted on 07/19/2011 9:53:42 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: SmithL
Nice follow-up from yesterday's discussion. I hope it happens..then they'll "own" it all..the implosion fo California will resemble the fall of Rome...you'll see "legal" looting..as Dems hand out $$$ to their spcial interests..agree to egregious labor contracts...and when soon after, they can't roll over a bond, let alone issue a new on..well then..jig's up...

let it happen sooner rather than later..after all..we don't want to keep "kicking Canifornia (G) down the road...

18 posted on 07/19/2011 9:57:35 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: All

I hope so, then the Dems will entitle themselves out of existence...


19 posted on 07/19/2011 10:03:58 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: SmithL
No bailout can save this State. The communists and illegals own it. It is a State of weak fools that suck on the teat of those that are trying to keep the State from collapse. Screw these idiots.
20 posted on 07/19/2011 10:20:27 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: SmithL

The GOP in California should just agree to vote for everything the Rats want. Let the RATS get their way 100%. The world can be shown what evil results from RATS getting their way. Of course, the MSM would find a way to blame the GOP.


21 posted on 07/19/2011 10:22:19 AM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces her run: August 12, 2011 11:10am ET)
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To: GOPsterinMA

I believe no matter who is POTUS, we’ll see federally guaranteed state bonds for CA, IL, and NY in the next 5 yrs.


22 posted on 07/19/2011 10:24:14 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: SmithL

The day is coming when voting won’t matter anymore in California..

Oh wait..


23 posted on 07/19/2011 10:31:14 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: nascarnation
I believe no matter who is POTUS, we’ll see federally guaranteed state bonds for CA, IL, and NY in the next 5 yrs.

That would be an unheard evil. The cancer of the left would then complete the destruction of our Republic.

At that point the Republic will dissolve.

24 posted on 07/19/2011 10:34:56 AM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces her run: August 12, 2011 11:10am ET)
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To: SmithL
Will California remap give Democrats two-thirds majorities?

It might; I hope not.

The Machiavellian challenge for partisan gerrymander-ers is to make the seats truly SAFE while also keeping them safe from judicial reversal.

As for me, I may be gone from this increasingly lefty state in 5 years or so. We have a child on the way, and when my excellent boss retires, I may look for work in a state that values jobs instead.

25 posted on 07/19/2011 10:52:23 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: nascarnation

Hmmm...I suppose you’re right. :(


26 posted on 07/19/2011 11:11:25 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Perry/Bachmann 2012 - they can share hair care products.)
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To: SmithL
As the months-long talks collapsed, the Democrats said they'd try to pick up enough seats in the 2012 elections to secure two-thirds margins, thereby cutting the GOP out of future tax issues. And the redistricting plans now nearing approval by the new independent redistricting commission could set the stage for achieving that goal, either in 2012 or in 2014.

My emphasis - independent? (cough)

27 posted on 07/19/2011 11:31:19 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Little Ray

California has a supposely non-partisan redistricting commission. The Democrats somehow managed to hijack it and create the most biased gerrymander possible.

Democrats are far more machievellian than Republicans at this.


28 posted on 07/19/2011 11:31:19 AM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: Theodore R.

...as yet they haven’t been hit with fiscal issues. My though is, WTSHTF there may be a revival of sorts. Assuming of course they aren’t bailed out, which will not help a revival.


29 posted on 07/19/2011 11:41:46 AM PDT by wita
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To: WOSG

I think there is a rule that says “Any organization not emphatically Conservative WILL be infiltrated and taken over by Liberals.”


30 posted on 07/19/2011 11:52:13 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: nascarnation

I wonder.

I’m not so sure the USA will survive, let alone one state, even if it is California.

Where would the USA get the funds to bail out three big broke states?

I believe our crossroads are approacing a lot faster than most folks realize.

The USA is just a bigger California. The problems facing California are present in Washington, too.


31 posted on 07/19/2011 11:54:01 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

You’re correct about this being a pervasive problem.
But I believe the debt problem has perhaps another decade to run.


32 posted on 07/19/2011 11:59:49 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers; GOPsterinMA; All
Collapse?

California's debt to GDP ratio is around 19%, no different than the revered red state of Texas.

We have $2 trillion in GDP even this miserable year, almost double that of Texas, the next best state.

That $2 trillion in GDP is critical to the health of the broader U.S. economy.

CA is one of just 13 states who get fewer dollars in federal services than are paid in federal taxes. In CA's case, it's around 79 cents per dollar.

If there's a "collapse" it'll be due to runaway progressivism which will hike taxes without bounds, further killing jobs and running companies out of state even more than now. We're already the highest taxed state in all but one category.

All of the Freepers wishing to see CA destroyed economically will be in for a very rude awakening if that happens.

What idiots outside the state fail to realize is the politics here are held hostage by a narrow band along the coast from L.A. to S.F. There are millions and millions of Californians outside that zone, but simply not enough to tip elections.

If the "South California" split came, the new state would still be among the most populous with 13 million residents behind only FL, NY, TX and the other CA. It would also be a "red" state.

That's a truly obscene number of people trapped without recourse and influence in the direction in their state.

The Democrats have tried time and again to lower the bar on tax hikes at the ballot. They couldn't get it done. Now they're gaming the "nonpartisan" redistricting system to do what the voters would not.

You better look at CA with fear because it's where the nation is headed politically under the "progressive" union-thug, unending, jackbooted march. Obama's done a masterful job at it and taken many pages from the CA playbook. His abandoning DOMA is just one example.

Will Republicans be sent packing in 2012 thanks to brat Tea Partiers and allow Peliosi to regain the House? Will Obama be swept back into the White House to cripple this nation further? You betcha.

33 posted on 07/19/2011 12:18:11 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: ClearCase_guy
Let California be an object lesson. Let America watch and learn.

They're watching; the only ones learning are the "progressives" testing and taking their successful schemes and scams into other states.

34 posted on 07/19/2011 12:24:38 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: SmithL

What are they goign to do when they end up forcing all of the Republicans out of Calfornia and there is no one left to tax?


35 posted on 07/19/2011 12:46:43 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: WOSG
California has a supposely non-partisan redistricting commission.

Thanks to Arnold, Parsky, and the rest of the RINOS.

The Democrats somehow managed...

Oh please...

36 posted on 07/19/2011 1:30:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie

I actually applied for and started the vetting process to be a member of this so-called “Redistricting Commission.” The process was a joke and clearly designed to eliminate anyone who was conservative ( who’d a thought?). So the end result isn’t surprising. Just want the RAT takeover to be complete so that the collapse of our once proud state occurs sooner rather than later. And as the earlier poster pointed out, how California goes, so goes the Nation eventually, so you better hope we figure it out before the whole country goes under.


37 posted on 07/19/2011 3:05:54 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: vette6387
Just want the RAT takeover to be complete so that the collapse of our once proud state occurs sooner rather than later.

It's all about the global investors who precipitated said collapse getting to pick the bones for pennies on the dollar.

38 posted on 07/19/2011 3:39:12 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: SmithL

I have lived in California four times 1988, 1997, 2002, 2005 and about half the people I know there are conservative and the other half liberals. The liberals are louder, greedier, more corrupt. They come up with just the number of votes by fraud that they need to steal elections. If they need 7000 more votes for some lib candidate, mysteriously they come up with those votes in San Francisco, etc. That is why they don’t want VOTER ID


39 posted on 07/20/2011 9:24:43 AM PDT by buffyt (Abortion is the ultimate CHILD ABUSE!)
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