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Police: Stenehjem didn't wear belt before crash
Grand Forks Herald ^ | July 19, 2011 | Dale Wetzel

Posted on 07/19/2011 6:42:54 PM PDT by skeptoid

North Dakota's Senate majority leader, Bob Stenehjem, was not wearing a seat belt and was thrown from the sport utility vehicle he was driving when he was killed in an Alaskan highway crash, authorities said Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Alaska; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: alaska; bobstenehjem; northdakota; seatbelts; stenehjem
. . . . .. . Alaska law requires everyone in a vehicle to be wearing a safety belt, Peters said. It is a primary enforcement law, which means police may stop a vehicle if a driver or passenger is seen driving without wearing a seat belt. It carriehttp://www.grandforksherald.com/media/full/jpg/2011/07/19/steng.jpgs a $15 maximum fine for a first offense.

Violators of North Dakota's seat-belt law may be ticketed only if police first pull over the motorist for a separate offense. As a state senator, Bob Stenehjem opposed proposals to make North Dakota's seat-belt law into a primary enforcement law, and friends said he personally disliked wearing a seat belt.

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1 posted on 07/19/2011 6:42:57 PM PDT by skeptoid
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To: skeptoid

So sorry to hear this. God hold his family.


2 posted on 07/19/2011 6:53:12 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: skeptoid

Prayers up for the family, and for the healing of all injured.


3 posted on 07/19/2011 7:02:28 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: skeptoid

Sad, but no one is above the law of physics, not even politicians.

He made his choice, and he chose poorly. Even though I’m opposed to seat belt laws, I never drive without a belt.


4 posted on 07/19/2011 7:06:55 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: skeptoid
Prayers up for the family.

I don't understand people that don't wear seatbelts. Back in the bad old days they really did suck, and didn't work well. Today's units are well designed and I would no more get in a car without strapping in, than I would getting in a light aerobatic aircraft without a 4 or 5 point harness.

/johnny

5 posted on 07/19/2011 7:10:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: skeptoid

Well, ya makes yer choices and ya take yer chances. I too hate seatbelt laws, but I wear one religiously, especially on the highway.

There’s a pretty good argument that in the city, seatbelts are actually harmful. Seatbelts are there to prevent ~ejection~ from the vehicle in high speed crashes. At lower city-speeds the more likely thing is an intersection T-bone crash, and the seatbelt will likely be what kills you.

Prayers for the family.


6 posted on 07/19/2011 7:16:07 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: MediaMole
Several years ago I dicided to buckle up on the highway.

But I ususlly unbuckle in town (under @ 30 mph).

I am reconsidering that policy as I type.

7 posted on 07/19/2011 7:16:07 PM PDT by skeptoid (>!O!<)
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To: skeptoid

Heh. See my post above... I guess we’ve both had the same thought.


8 posted on 07/19/2011 7:18:05 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

Today we had a head on accident in our neighborhood. It is a busy two lane street in a residential area..35mph. Don’t know the outcome, but judging by the police response..it may have been fatal. No seatbelt would have made it worse..I buckle up.


9 posted on 07/19/2011 7:30:40 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Oldexpat
but judging by the police response..it may have been fatal. No seatbelt would have made it worse..I buckle up.

Hard to say, but possibly. In full disclosure... I buckle up instinctively too, and always. But it does remain that in a t-bone sort of crash a seatbelt is a killer. It's a crapshoot. You rolls yer dice and takes yer chances. I wear a seatbelt and I look both ways in intersections. :-)

10 posted on 07/19/2011 7:48:29 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius; All
At lower city-speeds the more likely thing is an intersection T-bone crash, and the seatbelt will likely be what kills you.

Bull.

Years ago, my mother was t-boned by a mounted crane truck that ran a traffic light. Her mid-sized car was absolutely demolished.

She had a cracked sternum from the three-point seat belt but was otherwise right as rain. If she hadn't had a radical mastectomy, she may not even had the broken sternum.

11 posted on 07/19/2011 7:51:41 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Coburn is a traitor. Obama loves the Gang of Six.)
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To: skeptoid

Back in the day I worked as a forensic photographer. Here is what I learned: Human beings are fragile, and going through a windshield at 30 will kill you just as dead as it will at 70. Let me give you a piece of advice: Wear your seat-belt. You may spare your mother, father, sons, daughters, wife, husband, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends, and coworkers a lifetime of grief...


12 posted on 07/19/2011 8:02:52 PM PDT by stormer
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To: newzjunkey

OK. I said “likely” not “always”. I’m glad she survived it. I would also submit that it probably wasn’t the seatbelt that saved her. But we don’t need to argue about that.

Was your mom hit on the driver’s side or the passenger side? I should have been a little more specific: the seatbelt is more of a liability to the driver, in a driver-side t-bone. Or likewise to the passenger on that side. Without the seatbelt, a driver in a driver-side t-bone can be pushed into the passenger seat (with or without a passenger already there). They’ll be hurt, but will likely survive. They’ll be hurt, for sure, but in many cases a seatbelt would have killed them.

I’m not arguing against seatbelts, per se. I’ve already said that I wear one all the time. But it’s important to understand that they aren’t always the right answer for every situation.


13 posted on 07/19/2011 8:06:49 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: skeptoid

Please buckle up. In a low speed crash your lower torso will move into the steering wheel at the same speed you are traveling. Your lower intestines may be ruptured. Not good!


14 posted on 07/19/2011 8:14:24 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: skeptoid

The fastest you ever ran in high school was about 15 miles an hour. Energy goes as the square of velocity which means that at 30 MPH you have 4X more energy available for damage. Now imagine running as fast as you ever ran straight at a brick wall face first. Now multiply that by four. That’s what a 30 MPH crash feels like. A 60 MPH crash is 16x worse.


15 posted on 07/19/2011 8:19:55 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: skeptoid
North Dakota's Senate majority leader, Bob Stenehjem, was not wearing a seat belt and was thrown from the sport utility vehicle he was driving when he was killed

state senator, Bob Stenehjem opposed proposals to make North Dakota's seat-belt law into a primary enforcement law, and friends said he personally disliked wearing a seat belt.

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That pretty much puts this guys argument to bed...

What a fool. Even rides moving at 20mph at Disneyland have seat restraints.

16 posted on 07/19/2011 8:31:19 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: skeptoid

I too am fully in favor of North Dakotas current seat belt law. Making it a primary offense just gives police another reason to hassle innocent people.


17 posted on 07/19/2011 8:41:51 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: skeptoid
Notice North Dakota's traffic problem.


18 posted on 07/19/2011 8:44:24 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: skeptoid
Stenehjem, Stenehjem Jr. and Johnson were not wearing seat belts and were ejected from the vehicle, the report said.

All 3 occupants were ejected...Great job...

It's got to suck getting blasted right out the window or door...

When this happens, many times your arms or legs are ripped off going out the doors or windows, sometimes it rips the head off the occupants when they get ejected...After that, often, other vehicles not being able to stop, run the ejected bodies over multiple times.

There have been many cases where the unrestrained get ejected straight out the sun roof...

19 posted on 07/19/2011 8:55:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Last Dakotan
Notice North Dakota's traffic problem.

Ejected guy was not driving in North Dakota when he died.

20 posted on 07/19/2011 8:57:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Ejected guy was not driving in North Dakota when he died.

Article references North Dakota's seat belt laws.

21 posted on 07/19/2011 9:18:15 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan
It also mentioned Alaska, where the politician was breaking their laws by not wearing a seat belt.

In addition, if you'd read the article, the politician was not involved in a collision wiht other traffic. This was a single vehicle collision, his, which resulted in his death.

The moral of the story is, you can have NO traffic on the road and still die quickly.

22 posted on 07/19/2011 9:29:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ramius

My aunt was killed in city traffic in 1942. T-boned by a drunk driver running a stop sign. Knocked her out of the car and she hit her head on the pavement. A seat belt likely would have saved her.


23 posted on 07/19/2011 10:28:43 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: Western Phil

OK.


24 posted on 07/19/2011 10:39:29 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: skeptoid

I buried a man once who had been ejected from his vehicle in an ordinary rollover. No seat belt. It was the Great Unmentionable at the funeral. I could hardly imagine the feelings of the widow and the rest of the family. I would have been filled with rage.


25 posted on 07/19/2011 11:48:38 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: MediaMole

My cousin lost an aunt on his dad’s side of the family after she refused to wear a seat belt and was thrown out of her car after hydroplaning and flipping. Now Will refuses to put his truck in gear unless everyone is buckled up. He has refused to give people lifts because they will not buckle up.


26 posted on 07/19/2011 11:53:27 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Ramius
Seatbelts are there to prevent ~ejection~ from the vehicle in high speed crashes.

Any more, I think they are there to keep you in position so the airbags don't kill you.

I have known nine people who died with them on, in three separate accidents. Five were wearing their belts when the vehicles came to rest inverted, and could not get out of them, the others went underneath a semi trailer.

Of the five, four burned to death in the vehicle.

Please consider something, folks.

Your weight on that little bar in the latch means (depending on your size) that if inverted, you will have to release a latch with anywhere from 400 to 1000 psi on it (not much more and maybe less than 1/4 square inch of surface area there), and release it with a thumb or finger.

Carry something you will be able to locate, reach, and use to cut the belt.

Use them if you want, but I do not agree with the imposition of a law. It is a poster child for nanny statism, and was one of the camel's noses under the tent.

27 posted on 07/20/2011 2:45:05 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Every professional driver uses safety restraints in one form or another and you imply or suggest using them might be more dangerous than not using them?

Do I have this right?

28 posted on 07/20/2011 9:08:51 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
It depends on the situation. The professional drivers you refer to are driving at speeds far exceeding highway speeeds on a closed circuit, in a vehicle designed to do two things: go fast, and protect the driver when (note:WHEN) they have an accident. Hardly the same thing as driving in the widely varied conditions present on highways, at least where I live.

Would you mandate safety helmets and cervical bracing for the average driver on the highways? Roll cages? Flame retardant suits? Professional drivers use those, too.

Generally, staying with the vehicle is preferable, but to further the fiction that it is always safer to be belted in is nonsense, just as the fiction that it is always safer to wear a motorcycle helmet.

In my Fire/EMS days we spent a couple of hours finding and sorting the remains of four people who remained (well, mostly) belted into the vehicle they were in when it went beneath the bed of a semi at highway speeds.

I just talked yesterday with my Sheriff's Deputy neighbor who talked with me about a particularly grisly recovery they made from an accident in which the vicitm was torn in half by the belt (severe side impact). If that impact hadn't killed the unfortunate fellow, the fire would have.

Note, please, I am not against the use of either device (let the individual decide what is appropriate), but I am against the government sticking its legislative nose into my vehicle and mandating the use of one.

I use one, but at any time on my person I have at least three devices capable of cutting through the belt, distributed so I can reach at least two with either hand. (Good knives can be handy, anyway). YMMV

29 posted on 07/21/2011 1:13:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Every professional driver uses safety restraints in one form or another and you imply or suggest using them might be more dangerous than not using them?

Do I have this right?

It depends on the situation. The professional drivers you refer to are driving at speeds far exceeding highway speeeds on a closed circuit, in a vehicle designed to do two things: go fast....

What are you talking about?

Ya think all professional drivers are all NASCAR race geeks?

What about truck drivers, cab drivers, test drivers, personal drivers, and millions of others, who as part of their profession, drive on the highways?

Generally, staying with the vehicle is preferable

Ya think? lol....

No offense meant, but your comments are laughable...

In my other life I drove professionally in 7 different country's, on the highways. I have been trained in evasive maneuver and other defensive techniques etc., and I would *never* ever drive without safety restraints.

Anyone suggesting otherwise is an absolute fool.

30 posted on 07/21/2011 9:20:34 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Ya think all professional drivers are all NASCAR race geeks?

I did not say that, but many are, and no there are Formula car drivers, Sprint car drivers, Monster truck drivers, and even bulldozer operators.

What about truck drivers, cab drivers, test drivers, personal drivers, and millions of others, who as part of their profession, drive on the highways?

Might as well include commuters, who have to be at work, or are those just amatuers?

In my other life I drove professionally in 7 different country's, on the highways. I have been trained in evasive maneuver and other defensive techniques etc., and I would *never* ever drive without safety restraints. Anyone suggesting otherwise is an absolute fool.

I'm not suggeating YOU do otherwise.

If you are going to be doing E&E driving with a client in the back, you want to stay behind the wheel. Now do it with a full bladder. (Hint, if you hit something very hard, the bladder will likely burst). But you're a real pro, and would never scratch the paint.

No, I never unbuckled a dead guy. We always cut the belt. I guess my EMS and Fire Department service doesn't count as much as your expert driving ability, but there were times when those who exited the vehicle survived, and those who did not did not.

If you think ANYTHING in this life is covered by absolutes, your inability to deal with multivariate situations is your problem.

Have a nice day.

31 posted on 07/21/2011 12:34:54 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

OOOOk smoken joe..


32 posted on 07/21/2011 5:47:22 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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