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American Airlines orders 460 narrowbody aircraft
Associated Press via Seattle Times web site ^ | July 20, 2011 | David Koening

Posted on 07/20/2011 6:20:39 AM PDT by RayChuang88

FORT WORTH, Texas — American Airlines is buying at least 460 new planes over the next five years in what it calls the biggest airline order in history. And in a victory for Airbus, it's splitting the work between the European plane maker and Boeing.

American said Wednesday it will buy 260 planes from Airbus and 200 from Boeing Co. It expects the new, better-mileage planes to provide much-needed savings on fuel costs. American's current fleet is among the least fuel-efficient in the industry.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airbus; americanairlines; boeing
Before you do this to me, note that 35-45% of any Airbus plane uses American-made components. This is especially true of the engines for the A320neo, which will be assembled in the USA by GE (LEAP-X engine) or Pratt & Whitney (PW1100G geared turbofan).
1 posted on 07/20/2011 6:20:45 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: RayChuang88

I’m sure the unions are happy about this.


2 posted on 07/20/2011 6:37:33 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: RayChuang88

At Northwest Airlines, we call the AirBus...Scarebus...for good reason.

I actually wouldn’t be proud if I was contributing that 35-45%.

I can go into detail if you like.


3 posted on 07/20/2011 6:40:48 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: RayChuang88

now where are they going to find the narrow-bodied passengers to ride in them?


4 posted on 07/20/2011 6:41:12 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RayChuang88

American is far and away the largest operator of the MD-80 series in the world, with something like 300 of them still in their fleet. They’re good planes, but their older low-bypass Pratt and Whitney JT8D-200 engines aren’t nearly as efficient as the newer high-bypass engines on 737s and A320s. So this isn’t a surprise. I am a bit surprised that they’re splitting the order roughly 50/50 between A and B, but I guess that’s a good way of hedging their bets if either company’s re-engine program runs into difficulty.

}:-)4


5 posted on 07/20/2011 6:42:21 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: RayChuang88
Before you do this to me, note that 35-45% of any Airbus plane uses American-made components.

Yes, but the thought that "American" Airlines is flying foreign designed aircraft.....

Thank you much UNIONS!!/s

6 posted on 07/20/2011 6:45:55 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“where are they going to find the narrow-bodied passengers to ride in them?”

They will use prog/lib/dems because of their narrow minds....


7 posted on 07/20/2011 6:48:10 AM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: EGPWS

“Thank you much UNIONS!!/s”

The unions will like it because the AirBus is job security.


8 posted on 07/20/2011 6:49:11 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: RayChuang88

Somewhat American Airlines


9 posted on 07/20/2011 6:55:42 AM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: Moose4

Boeing got it butt kicked bad by Airbus, 100 737 vrs 260 320 is hardly 50-50.


10 posted on 07/20/2011 6:57:20 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: RayChuang88

American is just trying to be “TOO BIG TO FAIL!”


11 posted on 07/20/2011 7:00:18 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Puckster
A Boeing lands gracefully.
An AirBus arrives.

HF

12 posted on 07/20/2011 7:07:18 AM PDT by holden
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To: Puckster

Eh well - on the old continent we say, that we ain’t going if it’s Boeing.
Therefore AA now has the chance to sell some tickets to us.

Regards from good old Europe!

Andreas


13 posted on 07/20/2011 7:07:44 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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To: European Guest
Eh well - on the old continent we say, that we ain’t going if it’s Boeing.

Funny thing, perspective. In the US we say: "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going."

14 posted on 07/20/2011 7:11:22 AM PDT by IamConservative (Do peeps that drive Smart Cars on freeways have a death wish? If not, they better have spare undies.)
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To: European Guest

I guess you don’t require details....only rhetoric.

I can go into great detail.....if you really care.


15 posted on 07/20/2011 7:11:38 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: jpsb
This is not a terribly bad thing for Boeing.
They currently have a backlog of over 2,000 737s and this American order is for 100 current models and 100 re-engined models plus options for 49 current and 60 re-engined 737s.
16 posted on 07/20/2011 7:35:31 AM PDT by skeptoid (>!O!<)
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To: European Guest

You can catch up to me via private reply or just a general post....but, I’m in Kandahar and need to get my rest....but, if your interested in the truth about the throw away A320 family design, and why they designed it as such....I will get back to you.


17 posted on 07/20/2011 7:38:00 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Moose4
. . . . . . ..but I guess that’s a good way of hedging their bets if either company’s re-engine program runs into difficulty.

Jon Ostrower gives this aspect of the split order:

Though a split but, say industry watchers, allows American to compete Boeing and Airbus on an airframe by airframe basis, forcing both to trade margins for marketshare.

Only Gentiles pay retail.

18 posted on 07/20/2011 7:45:08 AM PDT by skeptoid (>!O!<)
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To: skeptoid

Yep, they play them off against each other. Prudent move by American.

I’ll be interested to see what Delta does next. They have the next-largest fleet of MD-80s (about 100). Up until the Northwest merger, they had shown no interest in Airbii, but since they’ve picked up NWA’s fleet of A320s and A330s, I’ll be interested to see how they feel about ordering more.

}:-)4


19 posted on 07/20/2011 7:58:01 AM PDT by Moose4 ("By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!")
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To: Puckster

The point is that the A 320 is a quite competitive design. Obviously more competitive than comparable planes from Boeing.

There must be some reason for it. ;)

Regards from Europe!

Andreas


20 posted on 07/20/2011 7:43:44 PM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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To: European Guest

So, you don’t want the details?

Competitive would assume your competing at the same standard, and cheap to the point of being border line safe is not something to admire.


21 posted on 07/21/2011 12:30:34 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster
and cheap to the point of being border line safe is not something to admire.

Do you have the data on the safety record of the A320 v/s the 737NG ? I do not have the exact data, but I read of as many A320 incidents as I do 737NG ones. Both aircraft are equals. And I am neither European or American.

22 posted on 07/21/2011 3:17:46 AM PDT by IndianChief
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To: IndianChief
What is missing in your observation is the relative years in service and how many flight miles.

The Airbus's are designed not for optimum quality but to sell....period.

Let me know if you want an in-depth observational experience, not statistical, explanation for what I've said.

23 posted on 07/21/2011 3:44:26 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: European Guest
Eh well - on the old continent we say, that we ain’t going if it’s Boeing.
Therefore AA now has the chance to sell some tickets to us.

Regards from good old Europe!

Airbus shows what "good old Europe" can do when it puts it's mind to it. The continent that can build the A-380 is the continent that can defend itself, and yet we remain twenty years after the demise of the Soviet Union. It is rather pathetic that "good old Europe" with a far larger population, and greater GDP than America, found itself unable to defeat a fourth rate military power in Libya.

If "good old Europe" is unable to deal with fourth rate Libya on its own, of what use is "good old Europe" as an ally to America?
24 posted on 07/21/2011 10:06:03 AM PDT by fallujah-nuker (Pakistan delenda est)
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To: Puckster

I am not defending Airbus, but I have got to respond with your remark about “Scarebus” with the fact that most people refer to Northwest Airlines as Northworst.

I hate flying anymore, but I refuse to let Northwest make that experience any worse. I just won’t fly them any more. I have never been treated as rudely and crudely as I have been on Northwest.


25 posted on 07/21/2011 10:13:55 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
I left Northwest in 2006. The owners of the company were determined to get rid of maintenance and any semblance of professionalism and good manners.

I started there in 1988 and Northwest had the best maintenance in the world then. They had the oldest average age of a fleet of aircraft in the world, yet we had average wise the #1 on-time airline in the world. We even gave Northwest 5 years in a row of #1 on-time in the mid 90’s.

All of that with the oldest fleet.

Pratt and Whitney, engine manufacturer, even came to MSP’s power plant shop to find out why we were getting 10,000 hrs off of our rebuilt engines and they couldn't.

Vendors were the ones that told us that the radio shop was the best in the world. We would feed back to new vendors about 90% of all schematic corrections on new equipment.

I retired with life-time flying benefits and now I don't even use them because, even though NW is now part of Delta, I don't trust their maintenance....just so you know.

If I do fly them, I will be checking what type of aircraft is used on my particular flight.

The Airbuses thought are another entirely different animal in the air....aircraft design minimums from nose to tail....fly them if you dare.

Can't justify NW now....and won't.

This is what happens when business people that don't know aviation buy a company......it loses altitude fast.

26 posted on 07/21/2011 9:17:25 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster
I would be interested in hearing your experiences.

I am comparing the anecdotal evidence of the record of the A320 (puechased by govt owned Indian Airlines 20+ yrs ago and many still flying) with the 737NG's flown by many private indian airlines. Also from some data i get from a.net and airdisaster.com etc.

27 posted on 07/22/2011 2:17:11 AM PDT by IndianChief
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To: 04-Bravo; 1stFreedom; A_Conservative_Chinese; acehai; Aeronaut; af_vet_rr; AFreeBird; ...

ping


28 posted on 07/22/2011 2:21:37 AM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Moose4; All
So this isn’t a surprise. I am a bit surprised that they’re splitting the order roughly 50/50 between A and B, but I guess that’s a good way of hedging their bets if either company’s re-engine program runs into difficulty.

The Pratt & Whitney Geared Turbofan, has run, flown on the wing, and is on schedule for Production "type certificate" for 2013.

They other guys? more tweaks of the same concept, I can't see it. You can't keep upping the pressure ratio etc and magically come up with a 15% reduction where as the Geared Turbofan is a game changer. When it comes to the Leap-X, I am from Missouri, Show Me...

29 posted on 07/22/2011 3:28:45 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: EGPWS

Their feeder carriers have been flying Canadian-designed aircraft (Dash-8 & CRJ) for at least a decade.


30 posted on 07/22/2011 7:57:04 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Tories in- mission accomplished)
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To: RayChuang88

I don’t fly on Airbus planes after seeing shoddy design on one years ago. That was followed later by Airbus tail structures breaking off in air.


31 posted on 07/22/2011 8:08:28 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: fallujah-nuker

Defense and Airbus are two different things. I share your view that Europe is not doing enough (and/or doing the wrong things) for its millitary and that the NATO-burden between Europe and the US is absolutely not balanced. It is a shame.

The American problem is, that it has no other real potent (!) allies than European countries, South Korea and Japan on this small planet. Of course, if you take Pakistan as an ally...

We Europeans are on one hand very capable in every way, on the other hand we suffer from hedonism and decadence. Freedom is not free of course and friendships have to be cultivated. This is something many people here haven’t understood so far.

BTW - sometimes I think some (not all) Americans have the same attitude.

The reason why I like Airbus planes is, that I lived as a student in Hamburg where the A 320 is manufactured. I know and like many people who work for Airbus and of course are convinced of their product. Furthermore I like the Beluga- and Super Guppy transport planes that came from Toulouse to Hamburg. All this does not make a America-hating xenophobe of me.

Best regards to Fallujah! Nuke Mullah Omar’s a** into its elementary particles.

Andreas :)


32 posted on 07/22/2011 9:40:37 AM PDT by European Guest (De omnibus dubitandum)
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To: Puckster
Writes Puckster re Airbusses...The Airbuses thought are another entirely different animal in the air....aircraft design minimums from nose to tail....fly them if you dare.

I'd love to hear more about your experiences and observations regarding Airbus aircraft.

For example (and IIRC) the A380 has/had some weaknesses in the wing spar strength, tail strength, and switched to aluminum wiring (vs copper) in order to save weight. (Any one of these is sufficient to put me on a competitive airline flying a Boeing.)

.

33 posted on 07/22/2011 3:44:58 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner

You and at least 2 others are very interested so give me some time because I’m at the end of a contract here in Kandahar and I’ll be able to do the subject justice.


34 posted on 07/22/2011 9:10:22 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: taildragger
Pratt & Whitney Geared Turbofan

Basically a ducted turboprop?

35 posted on 07/23/2011 7:25:33 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: MindBender26
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36 posted on 07/23/2011 10:46:04 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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