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California's college system in decline, study finds
L.A. Times ^ | July 21, 2011 | Carla Rivera

Posted on 07/21/2011 11:52:53 AM PDT by americanophile

California's higher education system is in decline, with fewer students able to afford college, falling college participation rates and dwindling state support, according to a study released Wednesday.

The report suggests that the state, once celebrated nationally for its three-tiered system of public colleges, has lost status as a leader in such areas as affordability, preparation of high school graduates, college-going rates and investment in higher education. The analysis was by the Institute for Higher Education Leadership & Policy at Cal State Sacramento.

"This report demonstrates the consequences of resting on reputations and policies of yesteryear," the study concludes. "California is nowhere near the leader on the measures of higher education performance that the nation's governors and educational leaders have been tracking for over a decade. We are average, at best, and trending downward."

Among the findings:

• California ranks last among states in funding per college student from state appropriations and tuition and fees.

• Tuition and fee increases exceed the national average rate of increase.

• The college-going rate of high school graduates rose from 53% to 58% between 2003 and 2007 but dropped back to 53% in 2009.

• California ranks 41st in the number of bachelor's degrees awarded for every 100 high school graduates six years after graduation.

Called "Consequences of Neglect," the study concludes that the state has failed to develop policies or a vision that will allow it to compete nationally and internationally in producing an educated population.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; decline; education
Everything is in decline in California...except public employee unions and illegal immigrants. But that doesn't factor in of course.
1 posted on 07/21/2011 11:53:01 AM PDT by americanophile
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To: americanophile

State schools have given over 33% salary increases to union teachers in the last 12 months.


2 posted on 07/21/2011 11:57:26 AM PDT by edcoil (The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital. -- Joe Paterno)
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To: americanophile

That’s what happens when you have to give illegals free tuition and teach everything in spanglish.


3 posted on 07/21/2011 11:58:30 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: edcoil

I know this college professor that now makes over 125,000 a year and all he does all day long is electo-shock slugs as a research project for the university.


4 posted on 07/21/2011 11:58:48 AM PDT by edcoil (The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital. -- Joe Paterno)
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To: americanophile
California's higher education system is in decline, with fewer students able to afford college, falling college participation rates and dwindling state support, according to a study released Wednesday.

And, as usual, not a word is said about their decline having a large part to do with admitting unqualified students who require REMEDIAL MATH AND ENGLISH CLASSES. On what planet are students like that college material?

5 posted on 07/21/2011 12:01:08 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: americanophile

surprise surprise!

i took a finance class several years ago. the retirees and investors left within a session or two. i remained hoping to learn something.

then the instructor chewed me out for reading the wsj.

a mexican kid showed up from the year’s previous class, saying he admired the teacher but had gotten an f grade on the final. the teacher gave him a b grade for class participation.

the teacher bad-mouthed mccain and palin and promoted obama.

i dropped the class.

in terms of difficulty, i could have passed the class in junior high.

california public schools have passed on generations of kids that do not belong in college.


6 posted on 07/21/2011 12:02:12 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: americanophile
The analysis was by the Institute for Higher Education Leadership & Policy at Cal State Sacramento.

No kidding?

7 posted on 07/21/2011 12:02:37 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Gaffer

“That’s what happens when you have to give illegals free tuition and teach everything in spanglish.”

The typical illegal alien from Mexico has about four years of education. They can barely read and write in Spanish. In Mexico parents take thier kids out of school and send them to work by the time they are about 12 to 14 years old. Education is a low priority for those people. In California the children of illegals are not helped or encouraged to study by the parents. Asian immigrants are another story.


8 posted on 07/21/2011 12:06:31 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: americanophile

So these are the only measurements of success? Nowhere do they mention whether those who do graduate actually learn anything, whether the time and money spent is worth it, and how many graduates are prepared to be successful after graduation.

All that matters to this guy is how many are enrolled and stay there for as long as possible. This is no different from the public school system that only cares about how many warm bodies are in the classroom, because that determines how much money they receive from the state.

College has nothing to do with education any more.


9 posted on 07/21/2011 12:12:41 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: forgotten man

Garbage in garbage out. The college attendance of HS grads may be up or sideways, but the rate of HS graduation is down.
They aren’t counting the drop outs who are costing the state a fortune in extra ed in k-12. Or pk-12.


10 posted on 07/21/2011 12:14:05 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: edcoil
I know this college professor that now makes over 125,000 a year and all he does all day long is electo-shock slugs as a research project for the university.

If by "slugs" you mean welfare recipients, it's money well spent. Otherwise, what a waste.
11 posted on 07/21/2011 12:14:17 PM PDT by crosshairs (Peace through superior firepower.)
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To: americanophile

When the people of a state decide to descend themselves irreversibly into economic, social and cultural hell, what else is to be expected?

California signed its own death warrant years ago.


12 posted on 07/21/2011 12:16:52 PM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: crosshairs

Nope it slugs. They are studying what is “learned vs inherited” reaction to stimulus.


13 posted on 07/21/2011 12:19:03 PM PDT by edcoil (The will to win is important, but the will to prepare is vital. -- Joe Paterno)
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To: americanophile

The Socialists and Global Marxists have used California as a live test lab of what overt Communist policies will do to a state and the citizenry under such laws.

There is no border. Stop pretending there is. Every major city in CA is a sanctuary city and will not deport even criminal, gang-related felons.

Every aspect of life is affected by the influx of 3rd World, non-English speaking people here in the Golden State. The safety net that was designed for down-on-your-luck legal citizen is pilfered by people who use the laws to finance their lifestyle...which is middle class in their native country.

Schools, courts, jails, social services, clinics and hospitals are overwhelmed, Liberals and RINO’s will not impede as they represent votes in the future, or fraudulent votes, now.

Illegal immigration is one of the Cloward-Piven strategy planks, it Balkanizes the population, creates racial strife and provides a taxpayer-funded existence that is no longer sustainable.

A press to Communism is the goal.


14 posted on 07/21/2011 12:20:30 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: americanophile
No one faces the fact that California State Universities and Colleges are admitting less able students and thus must dumb down. In addition, they are hiring less able faculty. When I went to college The California University system was among the best ten schools in the nation. My chemistry teacher taught Noble Prize winner Glenn Seaborg.)

I wanted my daughter to go to UCLA but she let pointed out how it had declined. UCLA is now rated 25th in the nation. We bit the bullet and sent her to an “Ivy.&rdquo. We found she obtained a superior education and we are quite happy. She is now employed by a major publishing house.

To repeat California schools now face a dumb student enrollment surge. The schools must dumb down.

15 posted on 07/21/2011 12:20:52 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: americanophile
The once Golden State can't fix the pot holes in its roads.

Vagrants urinate on the public sidewalks.

The economy--once the envy of the world--is on the brink of bankrupcy.

The quality of the schools--once the world's finest--is in free-fall.

When visitors from Europe were asked if they liked San Francisco, they replied: "Hell no!"

California is rapidly descending into a Third World Hellhole. This is where Decadence will take you, and "Liberalism" IS Decadence.

Give it back to Mexico. If they'll take it.

16 posted on 07/21/2011 12:21:32 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The Tea Party: La Resistance)
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To: americanophile

Here is the solution to California’s problem.

1) Eliminate tenure. It is poor 100% socialism.

2) Make college admission harder. You have apes graduating who need remedial math/English when getting hired by Fortune 500 companies. A diploma just in not worth what it was 20 years ago.

3) Slash all admin positions. In the past 20 years, the number of college professors grew by 3 percent yet administrators grew by over 200%. Today in some colleges, there are more admin types than actual teachers.


17 posted on 07/21/2011 12:22:40 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

You are correct. The PC madness says that grades, standardized tests and outside activities are not what matter anymore...only Liberal “social justice”.


18 posted on 07/21/2011 12:30:54 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Savage Beast
The once Golden State can't fix the pot holes in its roads.

Vagrants urinate on the public sidewalks.

The economy--once the envy of the world--is on the brink of bankrupcy.

The quality of the schools--once the world's finest--is in free-fall.

When visitors from Europe were asked if they liked San Francisco, they replied: "Hell no!"

California is rapidly descending into a Third World Hellhole. This is where Decadence will take you, and "Liberalism" IS Decadence.


Of course all of what you say is true. But why did this happen? It was because of the 1965 Immigration Reform Act and 4 decades of not guarding our borders and allowing illegals to pour across the border. We are now on our 3rd generation of post 1965 illegals and legals. But none of this bothers the liberals one bit. They are still saying that illegals are a net economic benefit. These liberals are that delusional.
19 posted on 07/21/2011 12:53:53 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: americanophile

This report was done to scare people into voting for more
money for the college system in california.

Don’t do it.
Get rid of excess admin¡strators, curriculums
(no more lacrosse, gender studies, film studies(who uses
film anyway anymore?. Get it, California voters?.Dont give out
high school diplomas to people who cannot pass their classes.
(RATIO of HS diplomas to college degrees will go down, but # of
college degrees will probably stay the same). Minimal state
aid, if you want to go to college ya’ gotta earn it somehow.
Lower wages/pensions across the board at all remaining colleges.
Includes administrators, professors, TA’s, custodial work,
secretaries, etc....


20 posted on 07/21/2011 12:54:01 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: ken21

I grew up in California - 1950s - 1960s.

Things were very different then.

May I ask what part of Calif was the college where you took the course?

Believe me the Leftists were already there in my day. I argued all the time with my poli-sci professor who was an outright communist.


21 posted on 07/21/2011 12:56:04 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: forgotten man

Re: “Asian immigrants are a different story.” Spot on. Ever notice how Asians skew all “minority” charts. This indicates to me that there are variables other than skin color; i. e., having a mother and father, being committed to academic success, learning to master English, etc. Odd how this formerly oppressed minority group (eg. Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882) is able to succeed without affirmative action and “political” spokesmen. Come to think of it, all other ethnic groups, including whites, seem to flourish if properly raised and if denied a built in institutionalized excuse for failure - i. e., “the man be holdin’ me back.” Funny how Asians, who make up about 11% of California account for about 50% of the student body at UC Irvine, and about 40% of Medical students. And did you ever notice how all “whites” are just an undifferentiated mass of oppressors holding back minorities, that is, all minorities, save Asians!


22 posted on 07/21/2011 12:59:20 PM PDT by donaldo
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To: americanophile

One reason is that they push diversity instead of academics.

This from the following article in the City Journal gives some reasons: “UC San Diego is adding diversity fat even as it snuffs out substantive academic programs. In March, the Academic Senate decided that the school would no longer offer a master’s degree in electrical and computer engineering; it also eliminated a master’s program in comparative literature and courses in French, German, Spanish, and English literature. At the same time, the body mandated a new campus-wide diversity requirement for graduation.”

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/cjc0714hm.html

What is happening at UCSD is criminal.


23 posted on 07/21/2011 1:07:40 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: truthguy
Yes. "Liberals" are delusional. They are so locked in groupthink that they cannot see what's happening--or even understand that they are delusional.

Western Civilization is Decadent. And U.S. civilization is part of that Decadence.

The big question is whether the American people will wake up and come to their senses in time to save themselves and their children.

The majority of Europeans lack the will even to survive--culturally or otherwise. Evidently they find nothing in their civilization worth passing on to future generations. In fact, they don't even seem to find it a worthy objective to have future generations.

Your response--and your screen name--indicate that you seek truth--for its own sake--wherever it presents itself. Scorn of truth is the single greatest flaw in the dogma of "Liberalism", i.e. in the Decadence that is destroying the U.S.A. The ruthless pursuit of truth for its own sake is the best antidote for delusion. You won't find it in "Liberal" arguments or bastions--U.S. college campuses, TV, Hollywood--certainly not in Washington.

24 posted on 07/21/2011 1:33:02 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The Tea Party: La Resistance)
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