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Reid: We Must Raise Taxes! (Barry dumps Dems on taxes?)
Nationa Review ^ | 07/21/11 | Andrew Stiles

Posted on 07/21/2011 12:45:50 PM PDT by TonyInOhio

Senate Democrats just wrapped up a meeting with OMB Director Jack Lew in the Capitol and they are not pleased. All indications are that the reports Dan cites are more or less accurate. Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) told reporters that a call came in from the White House during the meeting to announce a “potential agreement” with House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio).

Reid appeared to confirm reports that the proposed deal would not raise significant revenue, at least in the near term, and indicated that he didn’t think this would be acceptable to Democrats in congress. “The president always talked about balance, there had to be some fairness in this,” he said, grimly. “This can’t be all cuts. There has to be balance, there has to revenue and cuts.”

So, provided the reports are generally true, is Obama really willing to sell all Congressional Democrats down the river (apart from the moderates facing reelection in 2012) just to win another term? I think the answer is self-evident.

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KEYWORDS: apocalypse; congress; democrats; reid; taxcheatparty; taxes
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Is Barry caving to save his skinny hiney, or is this a giant head fake?
1 posted on 07/21/2011 12:45:55 PM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: TonyInOhio

what does the twerp have to loose? He is toast if he doesn’t
get some agreement.


2 posted on 07/21/2011 12:51:02 PM PDT by Average Al
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To: TonyInOhio

Giant HUGE head faint!


3 posted on 07/21/2011 12:51:08 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: TonyInOhio
Fact of the matter is that Hussein needs the majority in the House more than he needs the Senate Dems.

He has to win the conservative Repubs...even then he can still get a handful of Dems in the Senate needed to pass this legislation.

It's vote-counting time...and that's what will determine what will pass.

4 posted on 07/21/2011 12:51:08 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: TonyInOhio

I view it as a “head fake”. He’s looking out for his own skin and will walk all over the Democrats if he thinks his decisions will get him re-elected. I don’t trust him and never will. I believe his intent is to destroy the U.S.


5 posted on 07/21/2011 12:51:23 PM PDT by RC2
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To: TonyInOhio

Yes.


6 posted on 07/21/2011 12:51:27 PM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: TonyInOhio

this is exactly what bill clinton did in 1995.

This is very good for the dems.


7 posted on 07/21/2011 12:51:52 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: SatinDoll

Grrr! Faint should read ‘feint’.


8 posted on 07/21/2011 12:51:52 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: TonyInOhio

Taxes

They tax us when we sleep,
They tax us for the tissues when we weep,
They tax us every time we buy,
They tax us when we drive and when we fly,
They tax our pants when we walk,
Run or sit, and we are getting tired of it.
They give away our money because it isn’t theirs,
And when we die they tax our heirs.
When we use our phones they tax us when we talk,
They tax us when we eat,
When we get shoes they tax the socks on our feet,
They tax everything that moves or doesn’t move,
They stay awake nights thinking of new ways,
They’ve burdened down the golden calf,
And in the population those who pay are only half.
Now, the bees do not have enough honey,
And the time has finally come when we are running out
Of other people’s money.


9 posted on 07/21/2011 12:52:04 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: TonyInOhio

Hypothetical question: What happens on FR if President Obama folds and Boehner and the GOP stand firm and the debt limited doesn’t get raised?


10 posted on 07/21/2011 12:52:16 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: TonyInOhio

If ANY deal comes from ANY of this, that in ANY way makes Obama look good, we will have lost.


11 posted on 07/21/2011 12:52:16 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: TonyInOhio

Cnnot for the life of me figure out why the democrats are so inssistment on raising tax’s.

With the price of gas, food, energy, with unemployment at a great high, and what we are already paying in tax’s where will the higher tax’s come from?

We have just about bled out Mr. Reid. I know Democrats say tax the rich, but Congressmen and Senators are the rich, an I do not believe they will pass a tax they have to share in paying.


12 posted on 07/21/2011 12:55:30 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: TonyInOhio

No cuts. No revenue. Yeah, he’ll live with that and just have his little tax cheater continue to cook the books so he can just continue to spend what he pleases. Nothing is going to stop that communist from spending. Well, something will, sooner or later, but he’s determined.


13 posted on 07/21/2011 12:55:57 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: TonyInOhio

Can anyone say Rope-a-Dope


14 posted on 07/21/2011 12:59:24 PM PDT by evad (Obama needs to show us his green card)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
What happens on FR if President Obama folds and Boehner and the GOP stand firm

Gigantic surprise, for one thing.

15 posted on 07/21/2011 12:59:36 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: TonyInOhio

Welcome to the Wonderful Wild World of 25% Unemployment, hosted by Harry Reid, world’s foremost expert.


16 posted on 07/21/2011 1:00:17 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: TonyInOhio

there had to be some fairness in this,” he said, grimly. “This can’t be all cuts.

And why not Harry?

Reid and the democrats think the answer to more taxation
is to go out and get another job to pay for it.

Harry, you will be out of work soon, let me know how
it works out for YOU.


17 posted on 07/21/2011 1:00:47 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: TonyInOhio

Reid : We must raise taxes. We are not done screwing the people yet.. The economy still has a little life that we must snuff out..


18 posted on 07/21/2011 1:00:57 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I’ll take a stab at your hypothetical question.

Some folks will be very happy, some will be very upset.

We will continue to fight amongst ourselves.

The GOP will be praised and the GOP will be damned.

There will be a few deleted posts and maybe a few members banned.

We will analyze and pontificate until the sun burns out and life will go on.... LOL


19 posted on 07/21/2011 1:00:57 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: TonyInOhio
It is within his MO to jettison the dems under the bus. That would be lovely!!!
20 posted on 07/21/2011 1:01:47 PM PDT by ontap
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To: Siena Dreaming

Not necessarily. You know that communist was willing to take as much time as was necessary to apply as much pressure as was necessary to get enough legislators to cave in to his demand for the health control law. I think you also know the scenario. A terrible compromise is floated and then one by one the critters flip, slide, and surrender to the will of the communist in chief.


21 posted on 07/21/2011 1:04:20 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: tet68

He was just reelected to a new six year term....thanks to the idiots of Nevada. They must really be enjoying that 14% unemployment rate!!!


22 posted on 07/21/2011 1:04:29 PM PDT by ontap
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To: Venturer
Cnnot for the life of me figure out why the democrats are so inssistment on raising tax’s.

Class warfare....only raising taxes on the evil rich!!!!

23 posted on 07/21/2011 1:06:53 PM PDT by ontap
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To: ichabod1
Sure, but that was when the Dems had a large majority in the House and a larger majority in the Senate than he has now.

He must primarily work with the larger margin in the House that is now Repub. A few Dems will then help him to pass the bill in the Senate (red state Dems).

24 posted on 07/21/2011 1:07:08 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: Venturer
Cnnot for the life of me figure out why the democrats are so inssistment on raising tax’s.

Because they've locked in so much spending under Obamacare, which didn't have nearly enough on the 'revenue' side to pay for it, TARP I, TARP II, and all the other crap that there's literally no money to pay for any of it.

They have to have more money or their precious programs will collapse.

25 posted on 07/21/2011 1:08:19 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Venturer

But you see the taxes are only on wages not on investment income. Everyone in the Senate and House has protected their income through investments and non-profits and all sorts of other gimmicks. If you think they pay any taxes at all you are just kidding yourself. The only thing they are required to pay is on their salary and I am sure they have enough deductions to offset any payment.


26 posted on 07/21/2011 1:08:38 PM PDT by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Shock. Amazement. Mouths agape. But since Cut Cap and Bend Over includes a debt ceiling increase it won’t matter.


27 posted on 07/21/2011 1:10:37 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How close is the tipping point?)
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To: Lurker

” They have to have more money or their precious programs will collapse. “

‘Feeding The Tiger’ works just fine - until you run out of tiger food....


28 posted on 07/21/2011 1:11:24 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Venturer
Cnnot for the life of me figure out why the democrats are so inssistment on raising tax’s.

Class warfare....only raising taxes on the evil rich!!!!

29 posted on 07/21/2011 1:12:00 PM PDT by ontap
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To: TonyInOhio
Part of a comment posted after the article:
I don't believe or trust anything that Obama says or does. He is a walking talking contradiction. They used to call it lying, now it's just regular politics.
Sounds like a FReeper to me.
30 posted on 07/21/2011 1:12:11 PM PDT by upchuck (No increase PERIOD! Hope & Change = Ball & Chain)
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To: Venturer
How about a Rockefeller tax tax the wealth of the rich not thier income I am sure Warren Buffett,Bill Gates, Theresa
Kerry would love to give. All those rich democrats paying their fair share
31 posted on 07/21/2011 1:13:41 PM PDT by funfan
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To: TonyInOhio
Let me put this idea of revenue and spending in perspective so my family can easily understand the issue.

Me :”Honey, we have to cut our spending.”

Wife: “Ok honey but you will have to get a raise from your employer.”

Me: OK honey, I'll talk to my boss tomorrow. He is a very smart man. I'm sure he will understand our predicament.

32 posted on 07/21/2011 1:14:25 PM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: upchuck

Yep


33 posted on 07/21/2011 1:15:30 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: RC2

I believe you are right. Even if Hussein goes along with this “deal”, you can be assured he will use Executive Orders, czars, and regulatory agencies as well as the corrupt DOJ and public unions to extract wealth from the populace.

He is never going to be about governing...his dream is to wreck our prosperity and redistribute the wealth.


34 posted on 07/21/2011 1:17:13 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
What happens on FR if President Obama folds and Boehner and the GOP stand firm and the debt limited doesn’t get raised?

Most will say it wasn't enough.

35 posted on 07/21/2011 1:17:26 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Nobody is in a position to decree what should make a fellow man happier. -- L. Von Mises)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"Hypothetical question: What happens on FR if President Obama folds and Boehner and the GOP stand firm and the debt limited doesn’t get raised?"

No matter how epic our Victory, the idiots will claim that conservatives lost.

36 posted on 07/21/2011 1:18:37 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ontap
Cnnot for the life of me figure out why the democrats are so inssistment on raising tax’s.

Class warfare....only raising taxes on the evil rich!!!!

And according to Charlie (The Tax Cheat) Rangle cutting taxes is racist.

"They no longer say nigger or spic, they say "let's cut taxes""

37 posted on 07/21/2011 1:18:44 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How close is the tipping point?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
What happens on FR if President Obama folds and Boehner and the GOP stand firm and the debt limited doesn’t get raised?

That happens, its morning in America again. FR will set a new record for posting in one day.

For Congress that day may give them the fortitude (once they see the planet did not stop spinning) to take steps to end the US Debt once and for all.

Two steps would be, monetizing the debt we owe ourselves; that would save hundreds of billions in interest payments alone. As far as the foreign debt owed, renegotiating that debt; with all the powers of persuasion (stick and carrot) on the table.

38 posted on 07/21/2011 1:21:53 PM PDT by moshiach
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To: Drill Thrawl

Cats sleeping with dogs, real end of the world stuff. . . .


39 posted on 07/21/2011 1:21:53 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: Venturer
Cnnot for the life of me figure out why the democrats are so inssistment on raising tax’s.

Maya Angelou, the Leftist poet who performed at the Clinton inauguration, perhaps said it best. The oppressed individual does not yearn for freedom, he or she yearns to feel their boot heel against the neck of the oppressor.

Barry needs to deliver some payback to his constituents against the ones they perceive as evil. Ergo, raise taxes on those Eeeeeeevil rich.
40 posted on 07/21/2011 1:23:44 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TonyInOhio
Reid: "... There has to be balance, there has to revenue and cuts.”

Washington math?

If you cut and raise taxes, what is the point? That keeps things as their are, while just shifting the money around.

It does nothing to help resolve the situation.
41 posted on 07/21/2011 1:29:15 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TonyInOhio
I wonder what the GOP's Angle on this will be?

Sorry, just Sharon the pain. :-)

42 posted on 07/21/2011 1:33:00 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: TonyInOhio

Obama already got his tax increases with Obamacare. He just wants a deal.


43 posted on 07/21/2011 1:40:41 PM PDT by Neverforget01 (It Could Have Been Worse Is Not A Defense For Bad Policy)
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To: TonyInOhio

In case no one noticed, barry met with the dims this morning. I would be willing to bet the orders from barry were something like:

We are going to announce that we are close to deal this afternoon and no matter how great you think it is: cry, whine, rend your garments and flagellate yourselves in public over the unfair deal that I am about to convince the stupid republicans to sign-off on.


44 posted on 07/21/2011 1:58:56 PM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: Carry_Okie

OK, all politcans and their staff go to 1 dollar/day salary, see how that works.


45 posted on 07/21/2011 2:02:55 PM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: Gator113

That’s how he’ll get re-elected.


46 posted on 07/21/2011 2:06:30 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Izzy Dunne
"What happens on FR if President Obama folds and Boehner and the GOP stand firm?"

"Gigantic surprise, for one thing."

Ok, I lol'd.

47 posted on 07/21/2011 2:14:27 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (/)
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To: evad

Could be a head fake but on the other hand Nobama assumes the Dems lose the Senate next year regardless of what happens, the House is probably a lost cause as well but I might as well save my a$$.


48 posted on 07/21/2011 2:28:18 PM PDT by DHerion
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To: ontap

You can’t entirely blame Nevadans. You have to remember these people cheat and cheat and cheat and then cheat some more. Las Vegas is one of the most devastated cities in the country. You think they wanted more o’ what ol’ dingy harry’s been dishing out?


49 posted on 07/21/2011 2:37:19 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Nuts; A house divided against itself cannot stand.)
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To: RC2
BLUF:

Established Democrats, like Harry Reid, must raise taxes. In doing so they radically increase their chances of getting campaign “donations” to write exemptions from the new tax codes.

Congress Critter discovered a long time ago that they could get loads of campaign money by offering a quid pr quo by writing specialized exemptions to various taxes and inserting them, often unread, into other legislation.

Proof of statement:

Look at the number of waivers granted to various groups, individuals, businesses in ObamaCare. Does anyone outside the belt way think that these waivers were written out of the goodness of some Democratic Bureaucrat?

No new taxes means no new sources of Campaign cash for the Congress Critters, both Democrat and Republican.

50 posted on 07/21/2011 2:39:59 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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