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Perry on Romney’s Tail (The Texan Closes in On Two Polls)
National Review ^ | 07/22/2011 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 07/22/2011 9:50:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Mitt Romney remains the frontrunner in two new polls, but Rick Perry is a close second in both polls.

Results from the Fox News poll of GOP primary voters:

Romney (17 percent), Perry (14 percent), Michele Bachmann (10 percent), Rudy Giuliani (9 percent), Sarah Palin (9 percent), Ron Paul (9 percent), Herman Cain (5 percent), Newt Gingrich (4 percent), Tim Pawlenty (2 percent), and Rick Santorum (2 percent).

Romney has lost six percentage points since an early June Fox poll, while Bachmann has gained six points. Perry did not appear on the early June poll.

If options are limited to declared candidates (which excludes Perry and Palin), the top three are Romney (26 percent), Bachmann (15 percent), and Paul (10 percent).

Results from the CNN/ORC International poll of Republicans and Republican leaning independents:

Romney (16 percent), Perry (14 percent), Palin (13 percent), Giuliani (13 percent), Bachmann (12 percent), Paul (8 percent), Cain (6 percent), Gingrich (4 percent), Pawlenty (3 percent), Santorum (2 percent), and Jon Huntsman (1 percent).

TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bachmann; foxnews; foxnewspoll; giuliani; mittromney; palin; pawlenty; perry; poll; polls; potus; rickperry

1 posted on 07/22/2011 9:50:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Is Perry a neocon? I see he’s got Rumsfeld advising him on military matters.

2 posted on 07/22/2011 9:53:24 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not a huge Perry fan, but if he can knock Romney out of the race early on, I think it would be a good thing.

3 posted on 07/22/2011 9:56:32 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Jack Black

He’s a globalist, as demonstrated by his TTC shenanigans, is that good enough?

4 posted on 07/22/2011 9:56:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney has no chance, and never did.

At a certain point, the Perry/Bachmann/Palin/Cain/Tea Pary/Conservative crowd will all coalesce around whoever emerges from that group. If Perry runs my guess is it will likely be him. I’m a huge Palin fan but even I’ll recognize there simply may be too much water under the bridge with her by this point.

One of Perry/Bachmann/Palin will win IA. Then most likely that same person but definitely also one of those three will win SC and that will be it for Romney.

If I were running I’d try and get all the candidates to simply abandon NH to Romney and not even bother campaigning there. If they did that, his huge leads in NH would instantly become meaningless, people would stop polling NH, and the media would stop covering it. It wouldn’t matter. It’d be like IA with he dems in 1992. No one covered it because everyone conceded it to Harkin.

Romney has no shot in IA or SC so if everyone concedes NH to him and just focuses on those two states, his campaign is sevrely damaged.

5 posted on 07/22/2011 9:58:22 AM PDT by jeltz25
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To: jeltz25

Romney is the favorite amongst the Liberals, oops I mean the progressives. He’s almost as liberal as Obama, well he was yesterday but that of course could change today, that is if we ever hear from him again. He’s been very busy flying under the radar. Anyone other than Obama or Romney

6 posted on 07/22/2011 10:02:15 AM PDT by rjsclassics (bringing people together)
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To: 9YearLurker

Who’s your candidate? Ron Paul or someone else who has NO CHANCE OF WINNING! Romney has NO CHANCE either!! Rick Perry has an EXCELLENT chance....he may not be perfect but would you rather have Obama, because that’s what you’re going to get if we nominate Romney or Palin.

7 posted on 07/22/2011 10:03:30 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: 9YearLurker
How about we go with the Republican who can kick obozo out of the WH. If it is Perry I am OK with that if it is Palin I think that is fine too. sheeeesssshhh!
8 posted on 07/22/2011 10:08:30 AM PDT by Ditter
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Freepers, be very aware, Perry is the Amnesty Trojan Horse of this Primary season:

July, 2001 - Address to the Texas Association of Mexican American Chambers of Commerce, regarding DREAM Act, Rewarding Illegal Immigrants
Higher education should be open to all, not just an elite few. It must be responsive to the needs of our growing and changing population, and it must continue to push the envelope of excellence and innovation.

That growing and changing population includes children of undocumented workers, young boys and girls that we serve in our public schools because it is the right thing to do.

I believe it is time they get the same treatment in our colleges and universities. I signed House Bill 1403 so that young Texans who graduated from our public schools, regardless of their immigration status, will be able to pay in-state tuition and take part in the Texas Dream.

We want bright, new Texans to stay here, and contribute great things to our future.

We also want to ensure Texans of all backgrounds participate in graduate and professional degree programs. A new law I signed will ensure that graduate schools give weight to socio-economic conditions of applicants seeking entry into their schools, not just test scores. That is good public policy that will make a difference for Texans from all walks of life.

August, 2001, on Mexican Trucks, Bi-National Health Insurance, Open Borders, DREAM Act
The fruits of NAFTA have just begun to ripen. At the same time, we must not allow the roots of the tree to become poisoned. The NAFTA agreement not only signaled a new era of economic possibility, but a new era of bi-national cooperation. That is why it is wrong, and inherently detrimental to our relationship with Mexico for the U.S. Congress to pursue a protectionist policy that forbids Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways. It is bad public policy, and it violates the terms of the NAFTA agreement we agreed to. Mexican trucks that meet our safety standards should be given the same access to U.S. roads as our Canadian neighbors to the north.

Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.

As a compassionate state, we know that for our children to succeed, they must not only be healthy, but educated. The future leaders of our two nations are learning their fractions and their ABC’s in classrooms all along this border. Immigrants from around the world are being taught in Texas classrooms, and our history is rich with examples of new citizens who have made great contributions. We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders, the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.

We also know that poverty is not unique to either side of the border. Some of Texas’ poorest citizens live in colonias all along the border. They often lack basic infrastructure many of us take for granted. Just today, the North American Development Bank announced it will provide $6.3 million in funding to hook up colonia residents in six border cities to water and wastewater lines. More than 18,000 residents will benefit from these water or wastewater hookups. And this November, by approving Proposition 2, Texas voters can ensure that their neighbors in colonias have quality roads so that school buses, emergency vehicles and postal trucks can reach residents, and residents can get to a job or a school reliably.

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues. At the same time we must continue to deepen our economic ties, expanding opportunities for Mexican and U.S. companies to do business on both sides of the border. The outlook is promising, even if the road to prosperity is a long one. We share a bond as neighbors, and we find our culture north of the Rio Grande to be increasingly defined by the strong traits of people of Hispanic descent. Texas has long enjoyed a unique identity, an identity forged by an independent spirit, and the convergence of many different peoples. We must welcome change in the 21st Century as we have in every century before it.

Today, as we look to the south, we see a rising sun. It is perched above a people whose best days are in front of them. Let us endeavor to make the most of this new day through a new dialogue. Let us work together to combat disease, expand trade and provide educational opportunities. If we do, there are no limits to what we can accomplish for the betterment of all of our citizens. Thank you, and God bless you.

June, 2002, Addressing LULAC
John Hernandez, it’s good to see you as well… and it’s good to once again be in the company of men and women who do so much for our state – Texans who build local businesses and create new jobs…who do important work in our communities…who know the importance of strong families and vibrant neighborhoods…the proud, talented and dedicated members of the League of United Latin American Citizens.

Ever since the founders of this organization first gathered in Corpus Christi 73 years ago, LULAC has been a force for greater empowerment, compassionate citizenship and social progress.

I want to commend our honorees this evening who have upheld the tradition of LULAC through a devotion to service. Actions speak louder than words, and your actions for Texas have spoken volumes.

With the political season upon us, some have asked me whether I would be willing to debate my opponent in Spanish. But I believe Spanish is too beautiful a language for Texans to suffer through an hour of me speaking it. I’m still working through “ser y estar.”

July, 2002, Support of No Child Left Behind
Gov. Rick Perry and U.S. Secretary of Education Rod Paige announced today that Texas’ No Child Left Behind implementation plan has received federal approval. The approval clears the way for almost $400 million in new federal funding, moving the governor’s education plan a step closer to the classroom.

“Texas was a model for President Bush’s No Child Left Behind legislation, and we continue to lead the nation in innovative solutions to improve our schools,” Perry said. “The U.S. Department of Education’s stamp of approval means we can move forward with our plan to improve early childhood education, dropout prevention, teaching excellence, science education and our schools’ use of technology.”

November, 2003 on a border wall and guest workers
The long-term answer to the immigration challenges that confront us is not the building of structural barriers to keep people out, but the removal of economic barriers that keep people from experiencing opportunity and prosperity. When we allow for the free flow of commerce, energy and ideas, jobs and opportunity are created on both sides of our shared border.

Let me say something about the migrant workers who cross our border to work: They provide a real value to our economy and Texas benefits from the contributions they make. I will support reforms to our guest worker laws that allow migrant workers to contribute to our economy so long as the security of our border is in no way compromised.

January, 2004 - Support of guest workers
“During my visit with President Fox last November, I reaffirmed my support for a guest worker program that balances our two countries’ economic realities along with the need for homeland security. President Bush’s proposal reflects those goals.

June, 2005 - Address to LULAC State Convention
Thank you, Roger (Rocha), for those kind words and for your leadership of a distinguished organization that is continuing to have a profound impact all across this state... ...the League of United Latino American Citizens.

I am always honored to be with men and women who are committed to building a future of unlimited opportunity for every Texan...
...where jobs are abundant...
...where families and communities are strong...
...and where every individual...
...regardless of the neighborhood they come from, or the sound of their last name... empowered to control their own destiny.

Texas has come a long way in the march towards greater opportunity and empowerment in the 76 years since LULAC was founded.

December, 2006 - Speaking out against walled borders, in favor of open borders and guest workers
We have just concluded an election year that was heavy on immigration rhetoric and light on comprehensive solutions. Divisive appeals do nothing to solve problems even if they do score temporary political points. It is time Washington got one of the central messages of this election: when it comes to immigration and border security- get the job done! We cannot wall off the border and solve anything. Strategic fencing in certain urban areas to direct the flow of traffic makes sense, but building a wall across the entire border is a preposterous idea. Imagine the sheriff of Presidio County, Danny Dominguez, and his four or five deputies patrolling 130 miles of a border wall. The only thing a wall would most certainly accomplish is an increase in the ladder making industry.

Washington needs to seek real solutions that protect our economy that take migrant workers out of the shadows by giving then an ID and allowing them to cross freely, and that at the same time recognizes the rule of law and the importance of not rewarding those who break our laws. Our economy is impacted greatly by migrant workers. Let’s create a guest worker program that takes those workers off the black market and that legitimizes their economic contributions without doing the same for their citizenship. I would rather know who it is that crosses our border legally to work, than not know who it is that crosses our border illegally to work. We can have immigration reform that doesn’t compromise our security, and we can have security that doesn’t compromise our economy. That’s my goal, and it is time Washington shared it.

December, 2006, on deporting illegals, supporting guest workers
But to me neither amnesty nor mass deportation is the answer. The first unfairly rewards those who broke our laws, and the latter is not only unrealistic and unenforceable, but it would devastate our economy. That’s why I support a guest worker program that takes undocumented workers off the black market and legitimizes their economic contributions without providing them citizenship status.

January, 2007 - Oath of Office Address, Guest Workers
Perry addressed the divisive issue of border security and immigration by quoting the prophet Isaiah: “come now, and let us reason together.” “We are both a nation of laws and immigrants; the former protect us, the latter enrich us,” Perry said. “We must secure the border with manpower, not unmanned walls. We must have a guest-worker program that recognizes the economic contributions of foreign workers and the desperate conditions that bring them here.

February, 2007 - Guest Workers
A guest worker program recognizes the contributions of foreign workers and captures their income in our tax system, ensuring they contribute to the public services we provide them. And a guest worker program will help us know who crosses our border legally rather than not knowing who crosses our border illegally. Illegal immigration is a problem felt deeply by Texas, while too often ignored by Washington.

February, 2007 - LULAC Gala, selling State Lottery to fund healthcare for the uninsured
Thank you. I am so honored to be with you, the distinguished membership of a group that fights for equal opportunities and envisions a Texas that is ample in opportunity. It is good to see so many legislators, including several honorees tonight, Senator Zaffirini, Representative Gallego, Representative Noriega and Representative Anchia. They are good and decent Texans. Even though we don’t share a party, I am proud to serve by their side. I am particularly proud of another one of your honorees because he and I spent a year together traveling Texas as he served as my administrative assistant. Now he is the leading voice for the Texas Motor Transportation Association, John Esparza. If only his Red Raiders would stop beating my Aggies the world would be perfect.

It was nearly 80 years ago when a national movement began in Corpus Christi, they called themselves the League of United Latin American Citizens. Today, their vision is alive and well, and you are the living embodiment of it. And while we have a ways to go in tearing down barriers to opportunity, I have never felt better about the future of Texas because this is a state that welcomes all and includes all. And anything is possible in Texas for those who study hard, work hard and aspire to succeed.

One of the best ways to improve our economy is to improve access to health insurance for our workers. We have two million working Texans with a family income below 40,000 who are uninsured. They are just one accident, one bad diagnosis away from financial ruin. I believe we must use our moment of prosperity to ensure their long-term fiscal and physical health. I have proposed the sale of the Texas lottery for one reason and one reason only: to invest in our future. With a conservative estimate of $14 billion from such a sale, we could create a trust fund for the uninsured that would generate close to a quarter billion dollars every year in perpetuity. This is money that could provide premium assistance for private and employer-sponsored policies.

February, 2007 - Sale of State Lottery, to help insure the uninsured
Note: This was proposed in part by Phil Gramm, who wanted his company to help the state sell the lottery, and his company just so happened to have hired Rick Perry's son
Additionally, $270 million in annual trust fund earnings is proposed to create a premium assistance program for the uninsured. More than 2 million uninsured Texans are below 200 percent of the federal poverty limit. Perry’s proposed “Healthier Texas” program would help individuals purchase health insurance through employer-based programs or private plans.

March, 2007 - Sale of the state lottery to help insure the uninsured
I have also proposed using proceeds from the sale of the lottery to provide insurance to more than a half million working Texans.

August, 2007 - Trip to Mexico City, responding to reporters
MEXICO CITY — Leading a large delegation of Texas executives trying to drum up business in Mexico, Gov. Rick Perry on Tuesday criticized the U.S. Congress for failing to pass an immigration bill that would legalize millions of workers.

"I don't think this is that difficult an issue if Congress would have the maturity to sit down and really discuss it and cut out all the mean rhetoric," Perry said during a break in the third day of meetings with Mexican officials and business executives.

"We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy," he said of Texas' undocumented workers, most of whom hail from Mexico. "The vast, vast majority of those individuals want to come and work and take care of their families."

Perry made the remarks in Mexico City, where immigration is nearly as big a hot-button issue as it is in Washington. He spoke at a press conference shortly before meeting with President Felipe Calderon who, like past Mexican presidents, has lobbied for changes in U.S. immigration law that would include a guest-worker program.

Perry's statements seemed to put him at odds with many in the Republican Party's base who regarded the immigration overhaul bill that collapsed in the Senate in June as nothing more than an amnesty for illegal immigrants.

August, 2007 - Trip to Mexico, response to reporters, anger at wall, need for illegal immigrants
Perry, in Mexico with a Texan trade mission seeking opportunities in areas like renewable energy, said the federal government's plan to build a wall along much of the border to keep out illegal immigrants was "idiocy."

"We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy," Perry told a briefing with reporters.

"If you show up illegally, without your card or you're here as a criminal element, I'm for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy -- we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that."

Congress failed to pass a comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws in June despite heavy lobbying by President George W. Bush.

Following the reform failure, Washington is concentrating on border enforcement -- building a security fence along the Mexican border, deporting undocumented immigrants and trying to prevent companies from hiring illegal migrants.

Perry, a Republican, said it was important to separate immigration from security issues, which Texas has dealt with on its stretch of the Mexican border by deploying more guards.

"We know how to deal with border security, and you don't do it by building a fence," Perry said, ahead of a meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon.

October, 2007 - Perry on a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control candidate for President of the United States:
The time that we’ve spent together, whether it’s been on the phone or it’s been face-to-face, I’ve asked him some tough questions. I’ve looked him in his eye as he answered. I studied his positions. And I will tell you I have been highly impressed with his record. I’ve taken the measure of a man. And I believe that without a doubt or reservation that Rudy Giuliani is the most capable, the most prepared individual of either party to be the next President of the United States. He is the best of a strong field of Republican candidates and I’m proud to proclaim my support of his campaign. So I am proud to introduce to you America’s Mayor, a proven fiscal conservative, a leader who gets things done and the best hope of our nation’s future.

April, 2010 - On Arizona-style legislation to deal with illegal immigrants
"Recently, there has been much debate over immigration policy in Washington and what has been implemented in Arizona. I fully recognize and support a state's right and obligation to protect its citizens, but I have concerns with portions of the law passed in Arizona and believe it would not be the right direction for Texas.

9 posted on 07/22/2011 10:09:38 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SeekAndFind

Just dropping by for my daily helping of PDS (Perry Derangement Syndrome) from poster such as truthandfreedom and Diogeneses (sp?).

10 posted on 07/22/2011 10:11:50 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: jeltz25

I don’t think Romney will be nominee either,

11 posted on 07/22/2011 10:13:29 AM PDT by mel
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To: Ditter

Watch a few clips of Perry—and then come back and tell me he’s going to beat Obama.

We’ve got the most talented and principled candidate in a generation about to announce and we want the guy from Texas who won his last election—with 38% of the Texan vote? I don’t think so.

12 posted on 07/22/2011 10:14:47 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
then come back and tell me he’s going to beat Obama.

ANYBODY will beat Obama.

He only got 53% in 08 with EVERYTHING in his favor.

2012 will produce an outpouring of DUMP BARAQ activity that will crush him in a landslide.

13 posted on 07/22/2011 10:17:50 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: jeltz25

Don’t fall for a couple of cherry-picked polls. Palin has the higher recognition and favorables and is way ahead of Perry in a number of polls.

14 posted on 07/22/2011 10:22:04 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: nascarnation

Not this parody-of-W God-squadder, quoting the Book of Joel:

That is not a national-caliber candidate.

15 posted on 07/22/2011 10:23:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Perry isn’t my #1 choice, but I stand by my view that Obama is a slam dunk loser in 2012 if it’s a 2-way race.

I have speculated on FR that Baraq could well pull off a Clintonian plurality win in a 3-way race if they can split the opposition.

In my view Obama only has 40-42% solid support. There will be a LOT of folks who vote just to get rid of Obama, no matter who the R candidate is.

16 posted on 07/22/2011 10:27:32 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: 9YearLurker

Fine, tell us who this person is and give us the good info on them, don’t just trash other candidates.

17 posted on 07/22/2011 10:29:55 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I’ve regularly been open about my candidate being Palin and that she’s IMO the best bet we have to win. (I also referenced her in response #14.)

18 posted on 07/22/2011 10:44:33 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Boop His Cute Little Nose!

*FReeper  Upchuck

19 posted on 07/22/2011 10:48:14 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Ditter
Fine, tell us who this person is and give us the good info on them, don’t just trash other candidates.

Whenever someone here bashes other candidates, you can be pretty sure they are a Palin supporter.

20 posted on 07/22/2011 10:53:38 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: SeekAndFind
"My friend Rick Perry knows that it is the American people who make this country great and not Washington. With appropriate respect for both our rich history and the practical needs of today, Rick sees a bright future for America, based on freedom and limited government." (Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana )

"Rick Perry has hit the proverbial nail on the head in FED UP!, making a powerful case for a return to limited government and the restoration of the proper balance of power between Washington and the states. As Governor of Texas, he has seen firsthand the greatness of America and the prosperity we can enjoy when we empower people and get government out of the way. He explains in detail the historical, constitutional, and practical reasons why a government closest to the people protects liberty, and lays out the path to right the ship - citizen involvement and engagement to hold politicians accountable. No citizen should skip this book - your future depends on getting this right." (Rush Limbaugh )

"In FED UP!, Governor Perry explains that we can and will save America by taking necessary steps to restore the proper balance of power between federal and state government. He understands what seemingly few other prominent politicians do-that America's greatness stems from the people and our collective respect for the Constitution, not from the 'geniuses' in Washington." (Mark Levin )

"FED UP! lays out the truth of how far our Washington politicians have driven this nation off track. It's refreshing to read that at least one of our leaders understood what my dad always knew. The Government works for the people and not the other way around." (Michael Reagan )

Fed Up!: Our Fight to Save America from Washington

21 posted on 07/22/2011 11:10:05 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: 9YearLurker
I like Palin and could easily vote for her (if she runs) but I don't hear many people around me that think she is capable. Personally she dropped down a peg in my estimation, when she gave up her governors chair. No need to give me the reason she did that, I have heard them all and I was not impressed.
22 posted on 07/22/2011 11:30:44 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

It doesn’t surprise me that as a pro-Perry Texan you weren’t impressed—even though she got more done in 2 1/2 years as governor than Perry did in 10.

23 posted on 07/22/2011 11:35:02 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: SeekAndFind

That Fox poll is based on just over 300 prospective GOP primary voters, it doesn’t release the first 23 questions asked before they get to their primary preferences, and it is represented on the GOP side by the Bush family’s long-time, personal pollster at UT-Austin.

I’m not surprised it comes up with such an outlier-positive result for Perry.

24 posted on 07/22/2011 11:37:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
You still don't get it!

I am neither pro nor anti Perry or Palin. I am still looking over the field and waiting for everyone who is getting in to announce. The only candidates I am not in favor of are Romney and Paul.

25 posted on 07/22/2011 11:44:25 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Retired Greyhound

“Whenever someone here bashes other candidates, you can be pretty sure they are a Palin supporter.”

That has been my experience as well.

A shame really. She is great. These people, to the extent they are a factor at all, only take away from her greatness.

Sarah, like the rest, is nowhere near perfect. But I’d sure vote for her if she won the nomination.

But if she just sits back a while, never tries for the Republican nomination and eventually goes rogue as a third party, then she will rightly be seen as self-centered and a bit chicken.

And if she goes third party when any of Bachmann/Cain/Paul/Perry are heading the R ticket, then she is a Gore-level megalomaniac.

If Sarah believes she would be better than the R’s in the race, she should run as a Republican. The party is on the mend since hitting the pits of the compassionate conservative days. A grand conservative wave mostly benefited the R’s last year and we now have the House complete with TEA caucus, will almost certainly take the Senate next year and most likely the White House too.

Now is NOT the time to start going all Perot on us!

God created primary season just for this purpose... to clean up and re-focus the party. And it’s not something done from without the party, but from within.

I question the logic which says a conservative can’t win the Republican primary, but could win a three way in the general. Sarah, if you’re concerned that a Romney type might be the R nominee, then get in there and beat him dang it. In the proper venue. The primary.


26 posted on 07/22/2011 11:51:16 AM PDT by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Git it on................

2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

2008 GOP Race on July 22, 2007 | 2008 GOP Final RCP Average

Polling Data

Poll Date Romney Bachmann Palin Perry Giuliani Paul Cain Gingrich Pawlenty Santorum Spread
RCP Average 7/5 - 7/20 22.3 13.5 12.4 11.3 11.0 7.8 6.5 5.2 2.8 2.0 Romney +8.8
CNN/Opinion Research 7/18 - 7/20 16 12 13 14 13 8 6 4 3 2 Romney +2
FOX News 7/17 - 7/19 17 10 9 14 9 9 5 4 2 2 Romney +3
ABC News/Wash Post 7/14 - 7/17 26 13 16 8 -- 7 7 4 2 2 Romney +10
NBC/WSJ 7/14 - 7/17 30 16 -- 11 -- 9 5 8 2 3 Romney +14
PPP (D) 7/15 - 7/17 20 16 12 11 -- 9 10 6 5 -- Romney +4
Quinnipiac 7/5 - 7/11 25 14 12 10 -- 5 6 5 3 1 Romney +11

27 posted on 07/22/2011 11:54:00 AM PDT by deport
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To: 9YearLurker
We’ve got the most talented and principled candidate in a generation about to announce and we want the guy from Texas who won his last election... presiding over the best state economy in the nation, has more executive experience than any potential candidate and is almost sure to beat Obama if the economy doesn't dramatically improve.

If the goal is beating Obama with a conservative candidate and Perry, by far, has the best chance of meeting that objective.

28 posted on 07/22/2011 12:02:48 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: RINOs suck

Have you seen and heard the guy campaign? Noticed how he’s wrapped himself in Christian fervor—which may work in TX, but ain’t gonna fly nationwide?

29 posted on 07/22/2011 12:05:16 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Because Perry is so close with the Bush family that they tried to run him out of office last year by supporting liberal KBH?

GWB and Rick Perry have both governed Texas and have many of the same acquaintances and they may not be enemies but I don’t think they are close friends either. I can’t see the Bush family calling in favors for Rick Perry to rig a poll to affect the primary.

I will correct the statement that only Palin supporters are running down the other candidates. Perry has had a strong chorus of dissenters on this board long before Palin was known nationally.

30 posted on 07/22/2011 12:10:35 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didnÂ’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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To: 9YearLurker

if Alfred E. Newman is the Rub candidate running against Ovomit I will crawl on my hands and knees to vote him

31 posted on 07/22/2011 12:12:58 PM PDT by rjsclassics (bringing people together)
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To: smokingfrog

Personally, I think this will come down to Perry vs Romney. I choose Perry.

32 posted on 07/22/2011 12:15:58 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SeekAndFind

Perry just blew by Mittens on Intrade.

Perry is now trading at 34.3 and mittens is down at 29.2


See ya mittens!

33 posted on 07/22/2011 12:39:25 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: 9YearLurker
Noticed how he’s wrapped himself in Christian fervor—which may work in TX, but ain’t gonna fly nationwide?

So, he is too Christian and conservative for you?

Now, having a day of prayer is extreme? You're grasping at straws trying to discredit him.

It's economy, stupid. And, no one has a better economic record or more executive experience to run on than Perry.

34 posted on 07/22/2011 12:45:13 PM PDT by RINOs suck
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To: jeltz25

My first choice would be Cain/Bachmann/Palin in that order. If none of them seem capable of defeating Mittens, I’ll go with Ron Paul, Rick Perry, or anyone short of Adolf Hitler to keep that guy out. He’s Obama lite, more dangerous because it would be more gradual and give Tea Party-type opposition less to coalesce around.

35 posted on 07/22/2011 1:20:45 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: BuddhaBrown

Very well said.

36 posted on 07/22/2011 1:40:48 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: 9YearLurker; RINOs suck
Have you seen and heard the guy campaign? Noticed how he’s wrapped himself in Christian fervor—which may work in TX, but ain’t gonna fly nationwide?

I agree with you about the fact that the country, outside of the Bible Belt, is uneasy about politicians that wear their religion on their sleeve. Be that as it may, .....

A guy that attends prayers meetings in a Bible Belt State ..... Voters, nationwide, might not like it but they can understand.

A woman that tells America she wants her finger on the Nuclear Button and also tells an entire mega-church audience that that she believes that it is her religious duty to God to be "submissive" to Marcus Bachmann when he tells her to do something, whether she wants to do it or not. ...... The vast majority of American voters will run, screaming, as fast as they can away from THAT.


Bachmann:(At 1:25) Michele Bachmann tells a megachurch audience that she did what Marcus Bacmann told her to do, regarding her post graduate education, even though she did not want to do it, because she says it is her religious duty to be "submissive" to Marcus Bachmann

Marcus Bachmann: Finger on the Nuclear Button by Submissive Religious Proxy

Checkmate. Game to Obama.

So, who is left that can WIN?

The pizza chain CEO that has never won an election in his life?

Mitt Romney?

Sarah Palin?

FOX News Poll (February 7-9, 2011)

Question 3: I am going to read you a list of names. Tell me if you think that person would make a good President or not.

Sarah Palin:

.................YES.........NO.......DK.....Never heard of


Dem ...........7%........87%........5%.......1%

Rep ...........40%.......56%.......3%.......1%

Ind ...........25%........69%.......3%.......1%

37 posted on 07/22/2011 5:15:07 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

Sorry, February 11 polls, after Tucson, don’t cut it in July.

Palin has the highest approval of the potential candidates among GOP and GOP-leaning voters. She’s right up there with the pack in where she stands one-on-one with Obama, and she’s by far our most charismatic, principled, and extraordinarily accomplished government executive we have to offer.

(Oh, and I agree with you about Marcus Palin, but I just don’t see the country warming to Perry once they’re actually watching and listening to him and they hear more of his proclivities.)

38 posted on 07/22/2011 5:28:46 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker; Ditter
I’ve regularly been open about my candidate being Palin and that she’s IMO the best bet we have to win. ..... 9YearLurker

Win what?

The Free Republic "Best Legs on a Candidate" Contest?

In the general election, a Sarah Palin nomination would be a Christine O'Donnell bloodbath on steroids.

Such thinking is simply delusional and flies in the face of all objective data.




Gov. Sarah Palin has an approval rating of less than 40 percent among Alaskans. ... The Moore poll gives Palin a 39 percent positive rating and 49 percent negative rating among Alaskans. Twelve percent said they were neutral.



FOX News Poll (February 7-9, 2011)

Question 3: I am going to read you a list of names. Tell me if you think that person would make a good President or not.

Sarah Palin:

.................YES.........NO.......DK.....Never heard of


Dem ...........7%........87%........5%.......1%

Rep ...........40%.......56%.......3%.......1%

Ind ...........25%........69%.......3%.......1%


39 posted on 07/22/2011 5:35:58 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius

All old data. Not at all what polls have been showing for several months now.

Here are Rasmussen poll results out today:

Palin is now leading Obama among independents. She also gets a higher percentage of the male vote than any other GOP candidate. And we’re 16 months away from the election.

40 posted on 07/22/2011 5:46:01 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Polybius
NO more RINOs. Anywhere in the Galaxy.

41 posted on 07/22/2011 6:04:55 PM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: 9YearLurker
Sorry, February 11 polls, after Tucson, don’t cut it in July.

There is lots more data on Post 39.

Take your pick.

The exceedingly toxic Favorability rating of less than 40% among ALASKANS in her own home state is from this month.

July 7, 2011 ..... Gov. Sarah Palin has an approval rating of less than 40 percent among Alaskans. ... The Moore poll gives Palin a 39 percent positive rating and 49 percent negative rating among Alaskans. Twelve percent said they were neutral.

If you have ANY poll from ANY date from ANY source that does not show Sarah Palin's numbers as absolutely toxic among ALL voters (not just the Republicans that make up only 29% of the electorate) then post them.

You want anothe recent poll?

The most recent Fox News Poll just came out. Here you go. Sarah Palin's downward plunge continues:

FOX News Polll .... For Release 6PM ET Wednesday, June 29, 2011

Among REPUBLICAN primary voters, the preferences are as follows:

Mitt Romney ..... 18%
Rick Perry ..... 13%
Michele Bachmann ..... 11%
Rudy Giuliani ..... 10%
Sarah Palin ..... 8%
Ron Paul ..... 7%
Herman Cain ..... 5%
Tim Pawlenty ..... 3%

Sarah Palin is in single digit territory. .... One percentage point above Ron Paul.

Even Rudy Giuliani scores higher than Sarah Palin does and he is not even hinting at running.

With just the buzz of possibly running, the Rick Perry balloon is climbing, day by day, about to eclipse Romney, without even having declared.

With exposure out the wazoo since the Fall of 2008 including speeches and rallies and books and Reality TV shows, Sarah Palin's Favoralability keeps sinking deeper and deeper and deeper into the abyss.

42 posted on 07/22/2011 6:08:02 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: 9YearLurker

What if Palin doesn’t run and supports Perry?

43 posted on 07/22/2011 6:17:19 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Polybius

Christine O’Donnell did extremely well. There were a lot of Republican candidates who did much worse.

Christine O’Donnell is a good example of being trashed by the media.

Getting the Christine treatment by the media, but there was no “Christine O’Donnell Bloodbath”

Christine lost by 16.58%

Let’s look at other races.

In Hawaii, the Republican lost by 53%
In Vermont, the Republican lost by 33%
In New York, one Republican lost by 32%
In New York, the other Republican lost by 26%
In Maryland, the Republican lost by 25%
In Oregon, the Republican lost by 18%

All bigger bloodbaths.

If Christine was in those races, she woulda done better than the candidates that did run, and she woulda taken media hits that woulda gone somewhere else.

44 posted on 07/22/2011 9:29:37 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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