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How the Negotiations Broke Down--The White House View (Boehner ignored two Obama phone calls)
ABC News ^ | Friday, July 22, 2011 | David Kerley

Posted on 07/22/2011 6:36:44 PM PDT by kristinn

White House officials thought, just hours ago, that they were “very close” to a deal with Republican House Speaker John Boehner. But all of the sudden, the speaker wasn’t returning the president’s phone calls.

“If Speaker Boehner had called back, Americans would have had a deal,” a White House official told reporters after the president announced Boehner had pulled out of negotiations.

These officials said there were “many zones of agreement,” and that cuts to entitlement programs, other than a small disagreement over Medicaid, were “settled.”

The White House said congressional staffers were still calling today to negotiate details, but the speaker was not talking to the president.

On Thursday afternoon, Obama talked with the speaker. The president called again in the evening. That call was not returned.

The White House said the speaker’s office emailed at 3:30 p.m. Friday and said the speaker would call at 5:30 p.m. The president’s office called immediately and asked to talk to the speaker. Boehner did not come to the phone, but did call 5:30 p.m., telling the president he could not continue to negotiate.

According to the White House officials, there were only three major outstanding issues -- the president asking for $400 billion in additional revenue over 10 years, how deep cuts in Medicaid would be, and the speaker’s request that the individual mandate in the health care reform law be eliminated if the government could not approve all elements of the deal.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: boehner; crybaby; debtceiling; debtdeal; johnboehner; obama; obamageddon; ohio; presidentcrybaby; whinerinchief; zeromovedgoalposts
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1 posted on 07/22/2011 6:36:47 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

From the WH. Childish BS.


2 posted on 07/22/2011 6:38:02 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: kristinn

Congress is supposed to set the direction and Zer0 to ably administer.


3 posted on 07/22/2011 6:39:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kristinn
“If Speaker Boehner had called back, Americans would have had a deal,” a White House official told reporters after the president announced Boehner had pulled out of negotiations.

Barbara Streisand

4 posted on 07/22/2011 6:42:09 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: kristinn

Uh, what’s the phrase again? Is it FUBO?


5 posted on 07/22/2011 6:44:57 PM PDT by livius
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To: kristinn

The MSM is really worried as demonstrated by this and the pile of other old media articles about how Obama was willing to talk and negotiate but Boehner wasn’t.

Let’s hope Boehner doesn’t blink.


6 posted on 07/22/2011 6:46:33 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: kristinn
“If Speaker Boehner had called back, Americans would have had a deal,” a White House official told reporters after the president announced Boehner had pulled out of negotiations.

So old Pharoah calls in his messengers to tell US he had a deal, BUT now we do not, because his phone calls to continue negotiations were not returned? H E L L O!!!!!

7 posted on 07/22/2011 6:47:03 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: livius

“Uh, what’s the phrase again? Is it FUBO?”

That’s the one.


8 posted on 07/22/2011 6:47:05 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: livius

FUBO FUBAR.


9 posted on 07/22/2011 6:47:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: kristinn
The White House said the speaker’s office emailed at 3:30 p.m. Friday and said the speaker would call at 5:30 p.m. The president’s office called immediately and asked DEMANDED to talk to the speaker. Boehner did not come to the phone, but did call 5:30 p.m., telling the president he could not continue to negotiate.
10 posted on 07/22/2011 6:47:10 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: kristinn
"If Speaker Boehner had called back, Americans would have had a deal," said Bambi, petulantly.

" And if they don't give me my tax increase, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue."

11 posted on 07/22/2011 6:48:54 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: livius

Yes that’s the correct term.

If this part is correct:

“On the revenue side, officials said the two sides had agreed to an increase of $800 billion, which would come from tax reform. The president wanted another $400 billion in revenue, but the officials say he told Boehner that was negotiable.”

Then the other saying is FUJB


12 posted on 07/22/2011 6:49:06 PM PDT by free me (Sarah Palin 2012 - GAME ON!!)
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To: kristinn

The MSM spin will be that Boehner is a spoiled child who can’t get his way, so he throws a tantrum. Count on it.

I love what Mark Steyn called the MSM today: “the court eunuchs of the Obama press”.


13 posted on 07/22/2011 6:49:07 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: FourPeas
If Speaker Boehner had called back, Americans would have had a deal,

Makes zero sense. If Boner wanted a deal he would have called back. Ya think?

14 posted on 07/22/2011 6:49:12 PM PDT by riri
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To: missnry

“Boehner did not come to the phone, but did call 5:30 p.m., telling the president he could not continue to negotiate.”

WTG Speaker Boehner! Keep pushing the boy king is about to snap.


15 posted on 07/22/2011 6:49:22 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: kristinn

I can imagine 0bama standing over Boner acting like a condescending ahole.


16 posted on 07/22/2011 6:51:11 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.. VOTE out the RATS!)
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To: kristinn

“and the speaker’s request that the individual mandate in the health care reform law be eliminated if the government could not approve all elements of the deal.”

This is the hardest thing for me to reconcile. WTF is Boehner doing? As it is if the individual mandate is declared unconstitutional, all of Obamacare could be struck down, but take it out of Obamacare and that’s not possible.

Was it a sop to Bachmann and her demand that Obamacare be repealed as part of a deal? I just don’t get it.


17 posted on 07/22/2011 6:51:24 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Deo volente

the court eunuchs of the Obama press

Love ir, gonna use it.


18 posted on 07/22/2011 6:52:35 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.. VOTE out the RATS!)
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To: 9YearLurker

I do not beleive these negotiations are being done in good faith. Politically-minded people have been predicting for months that the demos want, indeed insist on, a government shutdown, so they can play it as being the repubs fault, with the media spinning it that way, of course. Same playbook as ‘95 - ‘96. Nothing new here. Nothing Boehner can do to prevent it, except cave totally, which would accomplish the same thing for the demos.


19 posted on 07/22/2011 6:58:34 PM PDT by ngat
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To: kristinn
"If Speaker Boehner had called back, Americans would have had a deal," said Bambi, petulantly.

" And if they don't give me my tax increase, I'll hold my breath until I turn blue."

20 posted on 07/22/2011 6:59:39 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: Deo volente
>“the court eunuchs of the Obama press”.

I think the term sphincter feeding regurgitators is more descriptive.

21 posted on 07/22/2011 7:00:27 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: kristinn

F Obama


22 posted on 07/22/2011 7:02:43 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: missnry

So the President then has a hissy fit and calls a presser. Bambi is such a petulant liar.


23 posted on 07/22/2011 7:05:18 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: ngat

Yeah, but what’s Boehner doing insisting that the individual mandate be removed from Obamacare?


24 posted on 07/22/2011 7:05:47 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kristinn

Hotair has a column up by EE, from greta, that Cantor and the House of Representative are blaming the gang of 6 for blowing up the CC&B push.

There will be blame passed around naturally but the senate gang of 6 increases capital gains taxes and other nefarious gifts to the prez. If the House determines the purse strings then don’t they still hold the cards to the endgame?


25 posted on 07/22/2011 7:08:59 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: ngat

I am of the belief that 40% of the voters have the memory of a moth. 12 more months of being trapped in Bambi’s socialist light fixture should just about get rid of them.


26 posted on 07/22/2011 7:12:02 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: 9YearLurker

It isn’t worded well above, but as I understand it, the individual mandate would be eliminated if the cuts were not realized. Since Obamacare, and it’s individual mandate, is the jewel in Barry’s tiara, it would give incentive to follow-through with the cuts, a frequent problem with future promises.


27 posted on 07/22/2011 7:15:34 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: 9YearLurker

Yeah, I’m highly suspicious of that move too. Kind of out-of-the-blue, isn’t it.


28 posted on 07/22/2011 7:18:10 PM PDT by ngat
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To: kristinn

I just can’t make myself trust any of them. Especially since they don’t talk about repealing obamacare anymore. Is the GOP willing to accept it IF the individual mandate is gone?


29 posted on 07/22/2011 7:22:53 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: kristinn

Do you think you
can just ignore me?


30 posted on 07/22/2011 7:23:39 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: kristinn

ABC news....= BULL _HIT!


31 posted on 07/22/2011 7:40:22 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The republicans are in a no win position regardless of the outcome. There is no way the media is going to tell the truth.

Well, with nothing to lose best to go for the best deal possible. The only way to do tha is to take the ball home and go home.


32 posted on 07/22/2011 7:46:47 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: 9YearLurker

I don’t see any method behind Boner’s madness either. If the individual mandate goes down, Obomneycare no longer can function.

Does the Speaker think he can pull a fast one on the President?


33 posted on 07/22/2011 7:47:05 PM PDT by GeorgiaKusic
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To: kristinn
and the speaker’s request that the individual mandate in the health care reform law be eliminated if the government could not approve all elements of the deal.

This is why Obama walked away.

34 posted on 07/22/2011 7:52:56 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: kristinn
“According to the White House officials, there were only three major outstanding issues — the president asking for $400 billion in additional revenue over 10 years, how deep cuts in Medicaid would be, and the speaker’s request that the individual mandate in the health care reform law be eliminated if the government could not approve all elements of the deal.”

Obama made it sound like he didn't move the goal post even though the White House officials admit he did.

35 posted on 07/22/2011 8:07:28 PM PDT by tobyhill (Real Spending Cuts Don't Require Increasing The Debt)
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To: eyedigress
I am of the belief that 40% of the voters have the memory of a moth

Which would be a good point if this was only an isolated incident. Every day there is yet another reason to sharpen the pitchforks. So the moths forget today's insanity, tomorrow there will be a fresh one to replace it.

36 posted on 07/22/2011 8:16:18 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Paladin2

“Congress is supposed to set the direction and Zer0 to ably administer.”

Durbin, Reid, Obama, Pelosi, all in on the act ...

One head hurts at the clusterf8888 possibilities.


37 posted on 07/22/2011 8:26:04 PM PDT by WOSG (Cut the spending!)
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To: free me

What on earth is Boehner doing accepting $800 billion in revenues in the first place.


38 posted on 07/22/2011 8:34:26 PM PDT by WOSG (Cut the spending!)
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To: free me

What on earth is Boehner doing accepting $800 billion in revenues in the first place?

Correct number is $0. Spending cuts only!


39 posted on 07/22/2011 8:35:01 PM PDT by WOSG (Cut the spending!)
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To: ngat

“I do not beleive these negotiations are being done in good faith. Politically-minded people have been predicting for months that the demos want, indeed insist on, a government shutdown, so they can play it as being the repubs fault, with the media spinning it that way, of course. Same playbook as ‘95 - ‘96. Nothing new here. Nothing Boehner can do to prevent it, except cave totally, which would accomplish the same thing for the demos.”

Well stated.

Nothing good comes from negotiating with Obama. You get a bad deal or you get no deal.

The BEST part of the Congressional republicans behavior has been the push for cut, cap and balance and the vote for it in the House and the Senate. Everything else has been a distraction away from that, as part of the media and Democrats agenda to get the GOP to capitulate.


40 posted on 07/22/2011 8:52:00 PM PDT by WOSG (Cut the spending!)
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To: ngat
Nothing Boehner can do to prevent it, except cave totally, which would accomplish the same thing for the demos.

Of course there is; Boehmer attaches amendment to raise debt limit for $500 million and $1 Billion in cuts to a Senate passed bill the house is holding then send the whole bill back to the Senate.

41 posted on 07/22/2011 8:59:29 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Pelosi: Obamacare indulgences for sale.)
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To: kristinn
I'm pretty sure, by this description, Boner was pulled out of the game by his caucus.

$800bil in tax increases.

I'll say it again, $800bil in tax increases.

42 posted on 07/22/2011 9:16:06 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: RitaOK; All
Cantor and the House of Representative are blaming the gang of 6 for blowing up the CC&B push.

And they should. I heard one of them, I think it was Chambliss, say he didn't know CC&B was being voted on that day. How stupid do they think we are? It was done deliberately and today CC&B was tabled without any debate, without any vote on the bill. Even when the bill got passed, the press reported it as a the "Tea Party plan." Everything that was done, was done to undermine CC&B.

The Gang of Six had and have NOTHING! No bill, just a short handout. It's a sick joke!

43 posted on 07/22/2011 9:19:06 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey

If the House holds the purse strings, what’s next with the power they hold?


44 posted on 07/22/2011 9:24:34 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: tobyhill; All
Obama made it sound like he didn't move the goal post even though the White House officials admit he did.

Obama lied at a speaking event? I'm shocked! /s

I like how the press says there were "only" three MAJOR outstanding issues. Why is "only" even in there? It's there to minimize in the minds of the listener how huge the gap is.

I don't understand what removing the individual mandate gets Boehner when that's the lynchpin of the constitutionality. It's possible there's real fear the Supreme Court will judge the individual mandate constitutional. I guess we can't take anything too lightly. Kagan probably won't recuse, someone could drop dead leaving Obama to make another appointment plus Kennedy and company are unreliable.

45 posted on 07/22/2011 9:55:48 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: newzjunkey

If I were Bohner, I would insist that all future negotiations, positions and offers be formalized in writing by each side after negotiating in private.


46 posted on 07/22/2011 10:31:12 PM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: kristinn
That's very disrespectful! He should have answered the phone, then hung up on the a-hole.
47 posted on 07/23/2011 3:16:21 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: kristinn

Nothing, not even ‘ trust but verify’ will work when negotiating with soulless narcissists who seek the destruction of all that we cherish.


48 posted on 07/23/2011 3:59:51 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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To: kristinn
According to the White House officials, ...

That's all this article needs to say.

49 posted on 07/23/2011 4:03:09 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: cpdiii
Web cameras all 'round.

Remember, video is the new assault weapon (just ask the cops in many jurisdictions).

50 posted on 07/23/2011 5:09:49 AM PDT by Paladin2
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