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Impasse over subsidies results in FAA shutdown (4,000 workers furloughed)
Star Advertiser ^ | 7/23/11

Posted on 07/23/2011 1:23:23 PM PDT by Libloather

Impasse over subsidies results in FAA shutdown
By Star-Advertiser Staff and News Services
POSTED: 01:30 a.m. HST, Jul 23, 2011

WASHINGTON » Efforts to avert a shutdown of the Federal Aviation Administration failed Friday amid a disagreement over a $16.5 million cut in subsidies to 13 rural communities, ensuring that nearly 4,000 people, including five in Hawaii, will be temporarily out of work and federal airline ticket taxes will be suspended.

Lawmakers were unable to resolve a partisan dispute over an extension of the agency's operating authority, which expired at midnight Friday EDT. The agency has been without long-term funding legislation since 2007 and has operated on a series of short-term extensions.

The subsidy cut was included by Republicans in a House bill extending operating authority for the FAA, which has a $16 billion budget. Senate Democrats refused to accept the House bill with the cuts, and Republican senators refused to accept a Democratic bill without it. Lawmakers then adjourned for the weekend.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; debt; faa; shutdown
Senate RATS get the blame.
1 posted on 07/23/2011 1:23:32 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

good, I hope to see a lot more of this in the future


2 posted on 07/23/2011 1:25:17 PM PDT by Jeff Vader (Palin 2012)
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To: Libloather

Even better than a cut. What has the FAA done for us lately?


3 posted on 07/23/2011 1:28:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Libloather

Good riddance to useless baggage.


4 posted on 07/23/2011 1:34:31 PM PDT by Del Rapier
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To: Libloather

Obama-damn-a-wing-nut gets to walk to his Birthday part hay in Chichen Go!


5 posted on 07/23/2011 1:34:52 PM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: Cicero

If this screws up my Hawaii trip, I’m going to be p!ssed.


6 posted on 07/23/2011 1:37:10 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: Libloather

Beginning of the cutting back. Keep it up Republicans.


7 posted on 07/23/2011 1:38:02 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Libloather

$16 million in cuts in a $16 Billion dollar agency??

1/10 of 1%?


8 posted on 07/23/2011 1:39:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Libloather

Does this help take us out of the “unexpected” scene with unemployment?


9 posted on 07/23/2011 1:44:53 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Libloather
Why will these people be paid as if they had worked whenever this is settled?

ML/NJ

10 posted on 07/23/2011 1:46:49 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: BipolarBob
If this screws up my Hawaii trip, I’m going to be p!ssed.

Apparently you have too much money. You need to pay more taxes.

11 posted on 07/23/2011 1:53:53 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Cicero

As a pilot, I can tell you that the FAA is referred to by pilots as a “tombstone agency.” That is, they run a flawed flight management system which results in an occasional crash or collision. If we had an “on the ball” FAA, we would already have an ATC system based on GPS instead of a bunch of overpaid, and probably overworked people in radar rooms around the country trying to keep planes separated utilizing antique radars (some still use vacuum tubes) and a manual “shrimp boat” system that was new back during WWII.


12 posted on 07/23/2011 1:59:08 PM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: GeronL

You have to start the cuts with the first dollar somewhere don’t you???


13 posted on 07/23/2011 2:10:36 PM PDT by phockthis
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To: vette6387

Appreciate your input.
I know their stuff is ancient, and wondered what the pilot’s view was on this.


14 posted on 07/23/2011 2:13:37 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Libloather

If we can control air traffic safely without these 4,000 people, why do we need them in the first place? (How many have pointy hair?)


15 posted on 07/23/2011 2:17:32 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: vette6387

Unless they’ve gone to flat-screen displays, every single ATC display console has one (big) cathode ray vacuum tube in it ;-) But your point is well taken, I couldn’t believe they were using the shrimp boats as late as the 80s...


16 posted on 07/23/2011 2:30:03 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: bigbob

Look on the bright side. Our airline tickets just went down 40 bucks.


17 posted on 07/23/2011 2:40:17 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: Libloather
From the article
A shutdown of the Federal Aviation Administration will mean that airlines no longer collect some federal ticket taxes, 
but other taxes would remain. A round-trip ticket with a base fare of $239.26 from Peoria, Ill., through 
Chicago O'Hare to Raleigh-Durham, N.C., would run up taxes of about $61, for a total cost of $300.

Those taxes include:
» Excise tax of 7.5 percent, $17.94.
» Four airport passenger facility charges of $4.50 each, $18.
» Four flight segment taxes of $3.70 each, $14.80.
» Four federal security charges of $2.50 each, $10.
» Total taxes: $60.74

The excise tax and the four flight segment taxes go away in a shutdown. Total savings: $32.74. Remaining taxes: $28.

Note: Taxes would be lower on a nonstop flight because there would be fewer flight segments. 
Other taxes apply to international flights.

Source: Air Transport Association
Gee all those taxes... that worse than my phone bill. Glad I gave up flying.
18 posted on 07/23/2011 2:50:28 PM PDT by upchuck (A default is not an economic event. It is a political event.)
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To: submarinerswife

A tax refund is what is paying for the trip. The US Goobermint probably regrets giving me that refund so that I can enjoy it. The last laugh may be on me, I have to make it through the Gropeathon TSA boys.


19 posted on 07/23/2011 3:18:56 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: BipolarBob

Make sure you wear clean panties.


20 posted on 07/23/2011 3:46:53 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Libloather

I work in a call center for an airline and have to work tonight on my day off due to this. All hands on deck due to two concerns.
One is that the computers will cooperate with the new tax calculation.
The other bigger concern is that we’ll get a million calls asking for a refund of those taxes. You can get a refund but you have to collect it from the IRS not the airline.

Fortunately the refund fact doesn’t seem to have gone viral online or on CNN.

Please don’t call your airline for a tax refund and I May get out of work early tonight.


21 posted on 07/23/2011 4:09:54 PM PDT by TLOne (All terrorists want is for us to bow and worship their god. Oh, and to let them rule.)
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To: Libloather

So the FAA has 4,000 permanent full time workers who are non essential.


22 posted on 07/23/2011 5:01:37 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Cicero
Even better than a cut. What has the FAA done for us lately?

Keep planes from crashing into each other. Unless you are one of those guys who want to make the whole airway a CTAF (that would suck in IFR conditions). Now, I know that Air Traffic Controllers aren't affected by this but I just offer that as an example of when I do support a government program.

23 posted on 07/24/2011 4:35:23 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Look on the bright side. Our airline tickets just went down 40 bucks.

Nope, Fox News just reported that Airlines including American and US Air are increasing their rates so that the ticket prices remain the same and they can pocket the difference.

24 posted on 07/24/2011 4:38:45 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: chargers fan; vette6387

Maybe. But they don’t do it very well. Very expensive, and not very well done. Like many government programs, it needs some serious fixing.

I’m not sure what the best thing to do would be, but I don’t think it’s just leaving things as they are.

See number 12, above.


25 posted on 07/24/2011 6:24:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: Libloather
I still can't find authorization for an FAA in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution.

Cut all funding for it and turn over it's functions to a civilian group analogous to the IEEE.

26 posted on 07/24/2011 6:28:48 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: chargers fan

As #12 above notes, they may do something worthwhile but do it the worst way possible.


27 posted on 07/24/2011 6:29:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Libloather

FAA Shutdown Because Dems Want to Protect Pork

Posted By Capitol Confidential On August 3, 2011 @ 8:29 am

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has basically been shut down [1] thanks to the Senate Democrats addition to pork. 4,000 FAA employees have been furloughed until further notice. 70,000 construction workers must now sit on their hands as all airport construction has halted. And the federal government is loosing $200million a week in airline ticket taxes because they are not authorized to legally collect the tax.

http://biggovernment.com/capitolconfidential/2011/08/03/faa-shutdown-because-dems-want-to-protect-pork/print/


28 posted on 08/03/2011 2:28:45 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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