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World Net Daily officially 7th Day Adventist?
July 24, 2011 | Self

Posted on 07/24/2011 6:54:25 AM PDT by AnalogReigns

I just received an email from World Net Daily advertising some books. Not unusual, as I'm on their list, and they send ads all the time. What is strange though, is the fact that all the books in this ad are religious AND take the oddball "7th-day Sabbath" position--definitely a very minority position among conservative evangelicals, and Christians of all stripes.

The ad also hints at some dark conspiracy amidst conventional Christians, accusing us of not reading the bible carefully.

Some evangelical apologists too categorize Adventism (which started with those who firmly predicted Jesus to come again in the 1840s) itself is at least an eccentric sect, following Old Testament and extra-biblical regulations, if not a cult, not unlike many others that got founded about that time.

Is World Net Daily now officially Adventist?


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If this is what WND is become, I'm not sure I want to pay any attention at all to them...
1 posted on 07/24/2011 6:54:32 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

No matter what title Christian Churches use, they are all man made, starting with Martin Luther, John Calvin and many others. There is but one church, Jesus Christ. There is but one way to heaven, Jesus Christ.


2 posted on 07/24/2011 7:01:02 AM PDT by buck61
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To: AnalogReigns

Worldnutdaily

They have some good article but you have to be careful imo


3 posted on 07/24/2011 7:01:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: AnalogReigns

Capitalist actually.


4 posted on 07/24/2011 7:01:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: AnalogReigns
Before writing off some of these articles as 7th Day Adventist, look a lil closer.

The Catholic Church though out history routinely incorporated local custom, lore and traditions into Catholicism in order to pull folks into the church.

Examples: Adorning trees with gold and silver, Easter eggs/rabbits, Sunday sabbath rather than Saturday.

If one does an in depth study, Easter as we know it is the celebration of the risen Lord. The eggs/rabbits and Ester all originate from the fertility goddess.

5 posted on 07/24/2011 7:19:46 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: AnalogReigns
"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ." Col 2:16
6 posted on 07/24/2011 7:22:11 AM PDT by Bed_Zeppelin
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To: AnalogReigns

7th Day Adventists are a cult, just like Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Armstrongism, and many others. I broke off contact with a group of people on Facebook because I discovered they were 7th Day.


7 posted on 07/24/2011 7:49:10 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: AnalogReigns

I’m no fan of the Nut but they sell what they are paid to sell. They probably have an agreement with a publication company and go through various campaigns targeting different audiences.


8 posted on 07/24/2011 7:49:26 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Bed_Zeppelin

The term sabbath means rest day, that is all it means.

However, Jews do differentiate from the seventh day rest day, Sabbath, and other rest days, sabbaths.

When Paul is using the term sabbath, and not Sabbath, he is referring to rest days that commemorate important dates within the Jewish calendar, but he is not referring to the Sabbath.


9 posted on 07/24/2011 7:58:06 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: ducttape45

“7th Day Adventists are a cult”

****

Bingo.

Living by the writings of “Prophetess” Ellen G. White, a woman whose visions are (a) attributed to God, (b) caused by a rock hitting her in the face, or (c) plagiarized writings of her failed author husband James that he stole from other authors.

Belief in SDA tenets means suspending reason. And cult tactics are used to accomplish this.


10 posted on 07/24/2011 8:02:30 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Barack was Mohammed's horse. Obama is a horse's back side.)
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To: ducttape45

SDA’s are not a cult. Most believe in the Triune God and that Christ is fully man and fully God. We just happen to believe that the commandments, which were written on the heart of Adam, but had to be written on stone at Sinai, to which will eventually be written again on the heart of man at the Second Coming, were not invalidated at the Cross.

What was invalidated was the sacrificial system, which had always pointed at the cross and was fulfilled at Christ’s death.


11 posted on 07/24/2011 8:03:06 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: driftdiver

> WorldNutDaily

Took the words right out of my mouth.


12 posted on 07/24/2011 8:08:38 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: ducttape45

Ultimately all religions are cults. It all boils down to somebody told me something extraordinary happened, I believe it, that settles it.


13 posted on 07/24/2011 8:10:15 AM PDT by null and void (Day 914. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: peyton randolph
And Catholic schools are a free choice system where people dress differently and ......oh wait.
14 posted on 07/24/2011 8:12:58 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: Jonty30
When Paul is using the term sabbath, and not Sabbath, he is referring to rest days that commemorate important dates within the Jewish calendar, but he is not referring to the Sabbath.

Paul wrote in all caps! (Uncials)

But I understand the distinction you are trying to make.

15 posted on 07/24/2011 8:19:07 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: AnalogReigns

Why you upset? No one can find in the Bible where Sunday replaces Saturday for the Sabbath. Epistle of Galatians speaks of Jewish believers trying Judaized Gentiles yet Paul had Timothy circumcised. I think Adventist are concerned and rightly so when the Church uses the state to enforce Sunday worship. When is there going to be someone to speak out on Gentile church being Gentilizers?


16 posted on 07/24/2011 8:21:31 AM PDT by the_daug
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To: AnalogReigns
take the oddball "7th-day Sabbath" position--

If one were to carefully read the Holy Word of G-d,
one would realize that the seventh day is the Sabbath.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
17 posted on 07/24/2011 8:25:13 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: null and void
Ultimately all religions are cults. It all boils down to somebody told me something extraordinary happened, I believe it, that settles it.

So that would include Darwinism and Big Bangism, right?

18 posted on 07/24/2011 8:29:47 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: ducttape45
7th Day Adventists are a cult, just like Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Armstrongism, and many others.

...including Scientology and Islam.

19 posted on 07/24/2011 8:31:34 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: Ozone34
So that would include Darwinism and Big Bangism, right?

Only to the degree that one does not look at the rocks for themselves.

And there are plenty of people who don't, so yes, for many Darwinism, the Big Bang, and Electricity Comes From Wall Sockets are articles of faith.

20 posted on 07/24/2011 8:37:07 AM PDT by null and void (Day 914. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: AnalogReigns

I work in an Adventist organization and although I am not very familiar with the religion, those I know who practice it are the nicest, most moral and upright folks I’ve come across in a long time.


21 posted on 07/24/2011 8:38:51 AM PDT by peggybac
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To: Ozone34

For that matter, since it appears that the definition of cult appears to be connected to keeping commandments and having faith in a man, let’s call Judaism a cult too.

:)


22 posted on 07/24/2011 8:41:10 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: null and void

Any story of man’s origin is going to be an article of faith, since there are no eyewitnesses and no film.


23 posted on 07/24/2011 8:42:40 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: peggybac

Have you had a chance to attend the child sacrifice ceremony yet?

It’s awesome!


24 posted on 07/24/2011 8:44:43 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: AnalogReigns

The Church moved the Sabbath to Sunday in anticipation of the NFL.


25 posted on 07/24/2011 8:46:00 AM PDT by reg45
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To: buck61

***There is but one church, Jesus Christ. There is but one way to heaven, Jesus Christ.****

According to the bald SDA preacher on Amazing Facts, “You are saved by GRACE, IF YOU KEEP THE SABATH!”

I heard this on his program several years ago. What heresy!


26 posted on 07/24/2011 8:46:47 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: reg45
The Church moved the Sabbath to Sunday in anticipation of the NFL.

Excellent proof of God's foreknowledge!

27 posted on 07/24/2011 8:47:59 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Well, a commandment is a commandment. God did not put any emphasis on any of them. To God all the commandments are the same.

Can I be saved, if I am an unrepentent murderer?


28 posted on 07/24/2011 8:52:10 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

***SDA’s are not a cult. Most believe in the Triune God and that Christ is fully man and fully God.***

Two little boys wonder away from home one saturday when a rainstorm broke. They went up to FIVE SDA homes to ask for help and were rebuffed each time till they came to my door.

It was a Sabbath and the SDA people would not lift a finger to help these children.


29 posted on 07/24/2011 8:53:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: peggybac

I was once visited at my place of business by a contentious elderly man who was an Adventist telling me I shouldn’t eat meat (I owned a deli) and that I should not work on Sat. He showed me the commandment concerning keeping the Sabbath. I pointed out that commandment also states “Thou shalt work 6 days...”. He was retired and didn’t work at all. He was breaking that very commandment.


30 posted on 07/24/2011 8:54:43 AM PDT by sueQ (SueQ)
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To: peggybac

***Those I know who practice it are the nicest, most moral and upright folks I’ve come across in a long time.***

We got a bunch around here and some are the most arrogant, self rigteous people I have ever met.


31 posted on 07/24/2011 8:55:40 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: Jonty30
SDA’s are not a cult. Most believe in the Triune God and that Christ is fully man and fully God. We just happen to believe that the commandments, which were written on the heart of Adam, but had to be written on stone at Sinai, to which will eventually be written again on the heart of man at the Second Coming, were not invalidated at the Cross.

And hence lies your problem. They were invalidated at the Cross. You're adding to the Scriptures something that isn't there. The Commandments were never written on the heart of Adam. He and Eve were under the Dispensation of Innocence. The Laws weren't necessary. Sure they were written on stone in the Dispensation of Law, but they were not necessarily written on the heart of man during current Dispensation, Grace.

The Law is powerless to do what Christ did on the Cross. Grace is imparted to us because we believe on Christ. We don't need "the Law."

32 posted on 07/24/2011 8:56:31 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Jonty30
Any story of man’s origin is going to be an article of faith, since there are no eyewitnesses and no film.

There are rocks and bones and tools.

But your point is valid, if you go back far enough at some point how things got started is an article of faith.

BTW, even Darwin avoided that question, his book 'On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life' specifically does not address the origin of life itself, only how existing lifeforms adapt to their changing environments over time.

Science addresses how something happens/happened. Religion addresses why...

33 posted on 07/24/2011 8:58:17 AM PDT by null and void (Day 914. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: Jonty30

***Well, a commandment is a commandment. God did not put any emphasis on any of them. To God all the commandments are the same.***

E G White did! Remember her “vision” in which she saw the 10 commandments with the Sabath Day one glowing!

What Must I do to be Saved?

“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shall be saved!”-St Paul

“By GRACE ye are saved, through faith, not of your own doing. It is the gift of God!”-St Paul

“You are saved by Grace IF you keep the Sabbath”—Amazing Facts SDA teaching.

I’ll go with St Paul.


34 posted on 07/24/2011 9:01:17 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Then they failed to heed Christ’s application for keeping it when he advocated lifting an ox out of a hole on the Sabbath.

A bad application of God’s principles does not nullify God’s principles and I’m sorry those young lads did not get the best experience.

However, speaking of bad application, I do have a problem with how Evangelicals apply the law of grace.


35 posted on 07/24/2011 9:03:44 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: sueQ; peggybac

***I was once visited at my place of business by a contentious elderly man who was an Adventist telling me I shouldn’t eat meat...***

My mom told of an incident where she worked at a local hospital. One of the workers was an SDA who wore his SDAism like a badge of honor.
When they went to the cafeteria to eat, he would get in line, snerle his nose and start...”You got any of that old PIG! I don’t want any of that OLD PIG”(said in a tone throwing lots of spittle)!

One day one of the attendents opened a bedding closet and there he was, chowing down on a pork chop some patient decided not to eat.


36 posted on 07/24/2011 9:08:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
We got a bunch around here and some are the most arrogant, self rigteous people I have ever met.

Name any faith (including Atheism) that doesn't have a bunch like that.

37 posted on 07/24/2011 9:11:58 AM PDT by null and void (Day 914. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: AnalogReigns

WND went off the rails and into the nut-case weeds a LONG time ago. I don’t understand why many here at FR still didn’t (or still don’t) pick up on it.


38 posted on 07/24/2011 9:12:02 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("I used to think Obama was an empty suit but now I think he has filled his pants." ~badgerlandjim)
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To: ducttape45

In Isaiah and Revelation, it is clear that we’ll be keeping the Sabbath again. It seems to me that if a commandment is valid before the fall, is validated during our fallen state and is also validated after we are fully redeemed,...,it was never suspended.


39 posted on 07/24/2011 9:12:56 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I will also go with the Bible above anything else as well.

However, as I understand it, the reason why the Sabbath is so emphasized within my church is because it has been so forgotten by the general church community.

Keeping the Sabbath will not save me, but living God’s commandments makes me free.


40 posted on 07/24/2011 9:15:59 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
If one were to carefully read the Holy Word of G-d, one would realize that the seventh day is the Sabbath.

Amen. and it has not changed all these millennium. neither does it correspond to ay natural solar or natural event. The sabbath is not manmade but comes from our Creator.

41 posted on 07/24/2011 9:18:46 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: the_daug

***I think Adventist are concerned and rightly so when the Church uses the state to enforce Sunday worship.***

I’v got several books by independent SDA teachers. all are filled with SDA hokum about the comimng Sunday worship law nonsence but wat really galls me is how they pervert the Mark of the Beast and through the most convoluted twisting of scriptures make it to be WORSHIPING ON SUNDAY.

If the US ever passes a national worship day (which it will never do)it will probably be a Friday so as not to offend the muzzies.


42 posted on 07/24/2011 9:19:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Click my name. See my home page, if you dare! NEW PHOTOS!)
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To: Jonty30
Have you had a chance to attend the child sacrifice ceremony yet?

That's not very funny.

43 posted on 07/24/2011 9:20:15 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire but I swear I didn't see him in the rearview mirror.)
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To: null and void

Bones, stones and tools don’t mean much if they aren’t properly understood. :)

What I mean by this is that it is generally taught, that man’s existence can almost be traced by a linear graph, from the jungles of Africa to a paleontological and brutish existence, eventually our current existence which is the most advanced today.

In truth, there is plenty of evidence that shows our existence has gone up and down. We’ve gone from periods of primitiveness to advancement and back to primitiveness and back to advancement.


44 posted on 07/24/2011 9:24:52 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

“Now as for a person whose faith is weak, welcome him-—but not to get into arguments over opinions. One person has the faith that will allow him to eat anything, while another whose faith is weak eats only vegetables.” Romans 14:1,2


45 posted on 07/24/2011 9:25:04 AM PDT by sueQ (SueQ)
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To: Jonty30
In truth, there is plenty of evidence that shows our existence has gone up and down. We’ve gone from periods of primitiveness to advancement and back to primitiveness and back to advancement.

Da-yam! It's nice to deal with someone who gets it!

46 posted on 07/24/2011 9:27:35 AM PDT by null and void (Day 914. When your only tools are a Hammer & Sickle, everything looks like a Capitalist...)
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To: BipolarBob

Satire is always funny.

I like to hyperbolize the misunderstandings and accusations of my church’s positions.


47 posted on 07/24/2011 9:28:53 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: sueQ

It’s the same basic advice that Paul gives when talking about meat being offered to idols.

What Paul means, as I understand it, is that he’s talking about how to deal with contentious issues in a peaceful manner.

As hard as Christians will study the Word of God, they are not going to always come to an agreement, so it becomes a question of how people can get along with each other, despite their disagreement.

What Paul advises is that if you believe something is wrong to do, don’t do it. Have a clean conscience, but don’t harass somebody to not do something they think they are free to do.

If a person believes they are free to do something, go do it. However, if you come across somebody who does not feel free to do something, don’t harass him into abandoning his position.

Unless it’s a gross wrong, Paul is, more or less, advising people to live and let live.


48 posted on 07/24/2011 9:54:36 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: the_daug

Actually, the day of the Sabbath is never mentioned.


49 posted on 07/24/2011 10:00:17 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ducttape45; Jonty30
The Law is powerless to do what Christ did on the Cross. Grace is imparted to us because we believe on Christ. We don't need "the Law."

Yah'shua is quoted by Matthew:
Mat 7:23 "And then I will declare to them,
'I never knew you;
DEPART FROM ME,
YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
Yah'shua is quoting Psalm 6:8.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
50 posted on 07/24/2011 10:06:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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