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Marine's parents sued over sign of support in their Bossier City front yard
NOLA ^ | July 23, 2011 | AP

Posted on 07/24/2011 12:03:31 PM PDT by Clairity

A south Bossier City homeowners association has sued to force a family to remove a front yard sign supporting their son's military service because it violated subdivision covenants.

The Burrs placed a large multicolored banner with a picture of their 20-year-old son, Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Corey Burr, and the phrase "Our son defends our freedom" in January after Corey Burr was deployed to Afghanistan.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: hoa; military; privateproperty; regulations
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How low can they sink?!
1 posted on 07/24/2011 12:03:33 PM PDT by Clairity
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To: Clairity

Is that like an HOA?? Those things are evil.


2 posted on 07/24/2011 12:06:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Clairity

Sheesh. People move into HOA neighborhoods because they’re safer and cleaner, and then complain about the rules that made them safer and cleaner.

Reminds me of illegals.


3 posted on 07/24/2011 12:09:02 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: LearsFool

They won’t be for long because of Section 8.


4 posted on 07/24/2011 12:11:43 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Clairity
The Burrs contend signs supporting a school or team are visible throughout the neighborhood.

Given that other signs are acceptable, seems to me like the HOA has lost the right to disallow the Burr's sign

5 posted on 07/24/2011 12:11:59 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: LearsFool

“HOA neighborhoods because they’re safer and cleaner,”

Please explain how putting up a sign with your son’s picture, who is deployed, makes the neighborhood less “safe and clean”.


6 posted on 07/24/2011 12:11:59 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

I live in fairly nice gated community governed by the rules of a homeowners association. Two points.

1. If anyone could put up a sign, poster, flag, etc. things could get out of hand pretty quickly, and property values could/would fall. Personally, if I wanted to live in a ghetto, I’d go buy a house in my boyhood home located in the Newark, NJ area.

2. If someone doesn’t want to adhere to the rules of the Homeowners Association, they shouldn’t have moved there.


7 posted on 07/24/2011 12:12:07 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Clairity
The Burrs contend signs supporting a school or team are visible throughout the neighborhood.

Given that other signs are acceptable, seems to me like the HOA has lost the right to disallow the Burr's sign

8 posted on 07/24/2011 12:12:07 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: Clairity

They shouldn’t enter into contracts that they don’t plan to keep. I have low tolerance for folks who think that the rules apply to everyone but them.


9 posted on 07/24/2011 12:13:12 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Clairity
The "problem" is if they allow this, then anyone else can display a sign...including a sign that might upset the Burrs..you can't selectively discriminate.

However, this could have been handled much better..the HOA could have adopted a rule allowing, say, for a 30 day display of a sign to honor anyone who lives there and is now serving in the military..

10 posted on 07/24/2011 12:14:07 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the earth..it's the ONLY planet with CHOCOLATE!!!)
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To: Signalman

Sure, that’s what you see in ghettos, patriotic signs with pictures of soldiers deployed... (/sarc)


11 posted on 07/24/2011 12:14:54 PM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Clairity

yes.


12 posted on 07/24/2011 12:18:24 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: OldNavyVet

If the sort of signery that’s allowed is listed in the HOA rules, the Burrs might or might not have a chance with similar signs that aren’t in the blessed list.


13 posted on 07/24/2011 12:19:25 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution)
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To: Signalman

How is that Hope and Change crap working for you? A Flag doesn’t pull down property values, a terrible policy at the Fed level does. Have a great Navy/Marine day.


14 posted on 07/24/2011 12:36:04 PM PDT by mortal19440
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To: Clairity

I found my new tagline in the article.


15 posted on 07/24/2011 12:40:03 PM PDT by beelzepug ("Blind obedience to arbitrary rules is a sign of mental illness")
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To: Signalman
1. If anyone could put up a sign, poster, flag, etc. things could get out of hand pretty quickly, and property values could/would fall. Personally, if I wanted to live in a ghetto, I’d go buy a house in my boyhood home located in the Newark, NJ area. 2. If someone doesn’t want to adhere to the rules of the Homeowners Association, they shouldn’t have moved there.

Right On! This is why I live in an HOA. We all bitch about something that they require us to do but the other side is when anyone that visits my neighborhood they tell us how well kept up it is. Nuff said.

16 posted on 07/24/2011 12:43:42 PM PDT by Digger (T)
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To: Signalman

True, but according to the Burrs others have signs posted with no problem. The HOA isn’t following their own rule. It appears that the HOA may be picking and choosing. That makes the rule null and void as in arbitrary and capricious.


17 posted on 07/24/2011 12:59:21 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Clairity

They need to run for an HOA office and start striking down stupid rulings.


18 posted on 07/24/2011 1:00:23 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Clairity

HOA’s are communist and for yuppies who have nothing better to do with their life than walk around their neighborhood seeing if people’s curtains are trashy or if kids are climbing trees GOD FORBID. I also have heard of people being cited by the HOA assoc. that their garbage can was not in the correct spot or left out too long.


19 posted on 07/24/2011 1:03:16 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Signalman

One would think seeing signs supporting their schools would increase property values as it shows good family values and support of others living in the neighborhood.


20 posted on 07/24/2011 1:04:23 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Signalman

Are you sure you’re a vet? You fought for this country so somebody can’t put up a patriotic sign on their front lawn?

Luckily, I don’t live in a HOA community and we have signs all over the place - my favorite being one neighbor’s huge “America - Love It or Leave It.” Makes me laugh every time I pass it. In fact, I drive my lib friends past it and they chuckle every time. But then I’m not into gated communities and we somehow manage to be clean and safe without resorting to gates.

And I don’t live in a ghetto either.


21 posted on 07/24/2011 1:10:59 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: LearsFool
People move into HOA neighborhoods because they’re safer and cleaner ignorant or love fascism.

HOA should be banned. They act as a government entity without usual safeguards to your rights. I'd rather live in a cardboard box in an alley than an HOA.

22 posted on 07/24/2011 1:11:06 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Signalman

Why is it people on FR deride Hillary Clinton for her “it takes a village” attitude and then come here and say the same thing about HOA.

They ALWAYS claim a HOA protects their property values (it takes a village) like it is the duty of all of us to do so. Simply unbelievable double standard. It is NOT my duty to protect property values of anyone or anything. What part of property rights do HOA so-called conservatives NOT understand?


23 posted on 07/24/2011 1:15:42 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: PAR35

I don’t know what kind of HOA you belong to but where I used to live (6 years ago) you joined up and paid dues. The town was not controlled by a HOA and you certainly didn’t sign a contract once you bought the house. They had no control over other people’s property except to occasionally send a letter telling you to cut your lawn. Maybe it differs from state to state. Weird.


24 posted on 07/24/2011 1:16:11 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: packrat35

I have to agree with you. Some weird anti-Conservative types writing in on this. It’s creeping me out.


25 posted on 07/24/2011 1:17:42 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

And a lot of freepers are all for this socialist non-sense. Read some of the replies already.


26 posted on 07/24/2011 1:18:05 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Clairity

I never understood these types of people who sue others who put a cross or a flag or in this case their sons picture.
Do they really care THAT much?! Why does it even bother them..


27 posted on 07/24/2011 1:20:16 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: LearsFool

Precisely why all HOA’s should cease to exist or everyone can move to communist island and have matching mail boxes.


28 posted on 07/24/2011 1:21:46 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: miss marmelstein

I don’t belong to any kind of HOA - I eliminated houses in mandatory HOAs when I was looking.


30 posted on 07/24/2011 1:43:52 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: OldNavyVet

Funny thing OldNavyVet,
I live in a private airpark community.
For two years I was HOA president, two previous on the board.
Everyone with a worthless bitch, complaint or grudge against another neighbor immediately became MY problem.
Finally my term was up, I withdrew. Speak to NO one and get along much better.
Life is good.


31 posted on 07/24/2011 1:45:14 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Nervous Tick

Yeah, I’m sure I don’t live in a ghetto. And I don’t use ghetto language like you do, either.


32 posted on 07/24/2011 1:47:41 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

When I was in a HOA in GA, I left my lawnmower out for my husband to start when he got home from work, because I couldn’t get it started. It was put away by dark. I got a letter complaining that I was “storing” my lawn mower in front of my house.


33 posted on 07/24/2011 1:50:30 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace"- Rick Perry)
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To: PAR35

What is a mandatory HOA? Seriously, when I lived in a town with an HOA you just paid your dues, joined up and got into fights at meetings. It had very little teeth outside of the occasional brawl in front the community center. What’s with this mandatory thing?


34 posted on 07/24/2011 1:51:09 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: packrat35
HOA should be banned.

That's right! Let the government restrict what kind of homeowner associations are allowed.

do i really need to add a sarcasm tag?

35 posted on 07/24/2011 1:57:17 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane
Let the government restrict what kind of homeowner associations are allowed.

Exactly how is it any better to have HOAs restricting what kind of Free Expressions are allowed?

36 posted on 07/24/2011 2:03:45 PM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Teacher317

I’m not saying it’s better to have HOAs restricting free expression.

I’m saying HOAs shouldn’t be banned. Why would you want the government to have the right to ban how you want to live?

Let people choose if how they want to live. Some people want to live in an HOA. If they choose to do that they should be prepared to live up to the responsibilities of that kind of home ownership.


37 posted on 07/24/2011 2:19:18 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Politicalmom

People should always read before they buy a home. It is the law that all HOA regs and dues be provided prior to closing on a home. Me- I would move and NEVER be in a HOA again.That’s just me I am a country living guy.


38 posted on 07/24/2011 2:23:22 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: OldNavyVet
Given that other signs are acceptable, seems to me like the HOA has lost the right to disallow the Burr's sign

Where did you get that information and what signs are you refering to?

39 posted on 07/24/2011 2:25:38 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I was moving out of a rental, didn’t want to uproot my children from their schools, and had only HOA neighborhoods to choose from.

Here in my part of CA there are far fewer HOAs than in GA.


40 posted on 07/24/2011 2:29:00 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace"- Rick Perry)
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To: Scotsman will be Free
True, but according to the Burrs

According to a neighbor of the Burrs' (I spoke to one of them), there are no other such signs that they claim............

41 posted on 07/24/2011 2:30:15 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: Digger
Right On! This is why I live in an HOA. We all bitch about something that they require us to do but the other side is when anyone that visits my neighborhood they tell us how well kept up it is. Nuff said.

I have no problem with my HOA other than the current lawsuit against an adjacent sub which is responsible for keeping our access road repaired. Meaning, it needs to be completely resurfaced, we won in court and they are now appealing.

I also have no problem with my HOA's regulation disallowing lawn signs considering more than half the people in the complex are Democrats and would have had John Kerry or Obama for president signs posted on their front lawns.........

Our HOA laws also prohibit the leasing or renting out of your property......you may not like that but we currently have two places being rented out. One to some kids who love to work on their cars in their garage and another unit who loves to let their dogs run without leashes.........We're fighting the owners in court right now.......

As I said, I have no problem with HOA's, they helping to keep my sub livable and civil......

42 posted on 07/24/2011 2:45:25 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Wow! No offense but can you tell me where you live so I can avoid it in the future?

What’s with all you people who go crazy if you see a sign on somebody’s property? Why would you care? As a wiser person on this thread wrote, it’s not your neighbor’s sign that’s lowering your property values, it’s the man in the White House.


43 posted on 07/24/2011 2:53:36 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Are you a member of the HOA under discussion? I can’t even tell from the article what state we are talking about. NOLA sounds like New Orleans but who knows.


44 posted on 07/24/2011 2:58:40 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: miss marmelstein

Bossier City is near Shreveport, Louisiana.


45 posted on 07/24/2011 3:07:19 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (I said it, I meant it and I represent it.)
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To: miss marmelstein

If membership is required for home ownership in the subdivision, it is mandatory. You don’t pay your dues, they foreclose your house. You paint your house the wrong color, they sue you to make you repaint. You don’t repaint, they paint it and send you the bill. You don’t pay the bill, they foreclose. You violate a covenant, they fine you until you comply. You don’t pay, they foreclose you.

Some folks choose to buy houses subject to those conditions. I have no sympathy when they complain. You don’t want to play by those rules? Don’t buy in those neighborhoods.

Buy without reading the covenants at your own risk.

I also have little sympathy for those who want to deprive misguided folks who wish to live there.

For specifics for Louisiana as to creation, see the Louisiana Homeowners Association Act, R.S. 9:1141.1 et seq.

http://www.legis.state.la.us/lss/search.asp?RS=RS&SearchString=9%3A1141

For specific restrictions, one would need to refer to the covenants for that association.


46 posted on 07/24/2011 3:18:02 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Scotsman will be Free
Scotsman will be Free said: "True, but according to the Burrs others have signs posted with no problem. The HOA isn’t following their own rule. "

Unless the rule is that the HOA gets to decide what to approve and what not to approve. THAT is the rule for the HOA to which I belong.

Most sensible people don't buy into an HOA unless they expect that conformance with the HOA rules will serve them better than permitting violations of those rules. If HOAs weren't valuable to the vast majority of HOA owners, they wouldn't exist.

47 posted on 07/24/2011 3:19:13 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: miss marmelstein
What’s with all you people who go crazy if you see a sign on somebody’s property?

We don't go crazy, the HOA has rules and regulations and the bylaws are presented to every homeowner. Such bylaws prevent lawn signs of any kind (which as I stated, also include pro-Obama and pro-Kerry) from being placed in your front yard. I don't want to see signs advertising masonry, or lawn services or free pizza delivery. I also don't want to see signs advertizing furniture sales at the local furniture store, or free gas for a year with every new car purchased at the local car dealership.

I can live with not being able to put a lawn sign on my front lawn announcing my newphew is currently serving in Afghanistan. The flag hanging from my front porch is all the patriotism I need to display.........

What's with all you crazy people condemning us condo owners and telling us how we should conduct our lives? Mind your own damn business.......!

Maybe I didn't mention it before but we also can keep our neighbors from parking their broken down cars in their driveways and in the street in front of their house........

And we can also force our negligent neighbor into trimming their hideous bushes or force them to remove the trash that has been accumulating on the side of their house.

In other words, we have the ability to prevent our complex from turning into a white trash trailer park...........And I have no problem with that. Why should you?

48 posted on 07/24/2011 3:19:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: PAR35
I also have little sympathy for those who want to deprive misguided folks who wish to live there.

I love my detached condo sub and the rules that govern us. All you have to do is drive a half mile north to a huge housing sub that a frind of mine lives in, that would once have gone for approx. $225K to see what overpaid white trash and subsequent unemployed white trash will allow their properties to devolve into.

People who criticize us condo dwelers need to mind their own damn business. Condo dwelers who complain about the HOA's and the regulations need to move out or shut up.......

Funny how such topics always bring out you folks who feel it necessary to criticize us..........we never criticize you.

49 posted on 07/24/2011 3:33:34 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (You can't forfeit the game Chuck! If you go home you forfeit!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Because, Mr. or Miss Tabasco, unbeknownst to you, you sound like a Soviet minion circa 1936 or a Maoist circa 1967. Embarrassingly so. I’m glad it gives you some sort of satisfaction to go around patrolling what your neighbors are up to and reporting on them. But it’s really your deep-seated fear of untidy hedges that gives me pause.


50 posted on 07/24/2011 3:34:33 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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