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Norway shooting: Anders Behring Breivik's planning appears meticulous
The Telegraph ^ | 24 July, 2011 | Ian Stephen

Posted on 07/24/2011 12:28:23 PM PDT by marktwain

After reading the manifesto over several hours the first thing that struck me was just how meticulous Anders Behring Breivik had been.

The 1500 page document reveals a chilling obsession with what he saw as being destructive to the world.

He dismisses concepts such as political correctness, feminism and major religions and philosophies including Islam and Marxism and defends his views by quoting people he views as authoritative.

His writings are done in such a detached man they reveal a man who prided himself on attention to detail, a narcissist who is extremely disciplined.

He would have seen his work as rational, which of course they are anything but.

It is was quite scary to read as you are reading in extensive detail his thoughts, his plans and how he trained to carry about the massacre.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 1capablewhiteman; banglist; breivik; islamicimperialism; marxism; norway; politicalcorrectness; pravdamedia; shooting
I have skimmed through about a third of the manifesto. I have not read it, but my guess is that the shootings and bombings were done primarily to "market" the manifesto.

This not completely new, as the Unibomber did something quite similar.

1 posted on 07/24/2011 12:28:29 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

...i understand he was a crazy nacissist.
(and NOT a Christian, by ANYONE here’s definition!)

but this doesn’t make any sense.

his writings were mostly logical. he identified problems. he had 2 degrees and wasn’t stupid.

so WHY did he do this?
3 SECONDS of thought, and he had to have realized, that his plan would result in making the government he “hated”, STRONGER.
(in fact, the conservatives were gaining there. the Olso police report that 100% of violent rapes were ALL done by the 4% of immigrants. the public sentiment WAS turning against immigration.)

his actions are ALREADY being used to HELP Islam, and help the immigration he “hated”.

what he did, will result in the exact opposite of what he wanted. in Norway, and around the world!
...and he WAS smart enough to realize that.

so why ???


2 posted on 07/24/2011 12:40:47 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: marktwain

I think Jimmy Carter also wrote a book.


3 posted on 07/24/2011 12:43:38 PM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: marktwain

But this is a guy who also dismisses Hitler as having failed to develop the racial purism properly.

He does not like people with political views that are left of centre. He is several miles further right of Hitler in terms of political philosophies.***********

My understanding is that Breivik was against ethnocentrism. He accused the Muslims among others of being racists but he said that was not the answer to what ailed Europe.

Also, being to the right of Hitler won’t be too difficult as Hitler was clearly a lefty.


4 posted on 07/24/2011 12:44:20 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: Elendur

Lenin said: “The purpose of terror is to terrorize.”


5 posted on 07/24/2011 12:44:32 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: marktwain
as the Unibomber did something quite similar.

And this latest nut job quoted from it quite a bit in his own manifesto.

6 posted on 07/24/2011 12:56:36 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: bereanway
Also, being to the right of Hitler won’t be too difficult as Hitler was clearly a lefty

Radical cultural change including occultism and, in some cases, polygamy. Massive expansion of government, extending into even child rearing by agents of the state. Yeah, that sounds like a real right-winger to me. The lefties have been done in by their own "education" system. Up is truly down in their world. I wonder how many of them know that Mussolini was much beloved by American progressive socialists in the 1920s? Or that fascism is a nationalistic outgrowth of socialism? Or that NAZIsm is more of the same? Or that communism is a globalist vision of the same? Nah, they're too busy learning that Whitey is the father of all evil and it's great that Johnny has two "daddies." And that the warm embrace of government is all they'll ever need.
7 posted on 07/24/2011 1:12:13 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: marktwain

I don’t think it is too tinfoily to wonder if the manifesto is actually a false flag propaganda piece to cover an Islamic attack.

There are good grounds for wondering, as blogger at Unercoverage points out:

“There is no proof of Breivik’s motivations for the crime as yet. There is considerable evidence and the method and technique suggests an Al Qaeda “Mumbai” multi-bomb, multi-location type attack. Recruitment and radicalization of “locals” is not new to the Al Qaeda movement. There are many “white” American jihadis who were recruited to various Al Qaeda sects over the years. [Investigative Project for Terrorism.]http://www.investigativeproject.org/3052/shabaab-essay-boasts-of-western-recruits

As reported previously here at UNCOVERAGE, there is a long litany of Islamic extremist activity in Norway.” http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/07/91-dead-in-norway-right-wing-extremist-theory-ignores-al-qaeda-threats/#comment-36931


8 posted on 07/24/2011 1:15:38 PM PDT by garjog
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To: Elendur
so WHY did he do this? 3 SECONDS of thought, and he had to have realized, that his plan would result in making the government he “hated”, STRONGER.

One possibility is that he may have known his actions would strengthen the labour party and that they might respond by doubling islamic immigration which would hasten the civil war.

9 posted on 07/24/2011 1:23:25 PM PDT by fso301
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To: marktwain

Sooo,
This murderer will spend NO more than 21 years in a Danish prison, (which I’m sure is not in the same league as say an egyptian or Peruvian jail), then will get out a hero to some group of crazies?
Will he be able to make speaches and write books for money?
Maybe make a movie?


10 posted on 07/24/2011 1:25:11 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: fso301

Good point. It will be interesting to see how the Norwegians vote in their upcoming elections in Sept. Until Friday the conservatives were expected to gain seats.


11 posted on 07/24/2011 1:33:01 PM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Elendur
what he did, will result in the exact opposite of what he wanted. in Norway, and around the world! ...and he WAS smart enough to realize that.

It appears that the primary purpose of the opperation was to bring attention to, and to distribute his manifesto around the world.

It appears the he has been successful at doing that.

The manifesto is not just a political screed. It is a detailed manual on how to perform similar opperations in the future.

12 posted on 07/24/2011 1:34:44 PM PDT by marktwain
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Can’t he be charged with life imprisonment (21yrs) 93 times? For each murder


13 posted on 07/24/2011 1:52:14 PM PDT by ahe
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To: marktwain

I’d be careful about bragging on him and going on about how intelligent and meticulous he is.

He has clearly demonstrated that he is a human dog with rabies! And he should be euthanized. Case closed.


14 posted on 07/24/2011 1:58:35 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: Tucker39

Yeah. In his “protest” of Islam, the deranged idiot kills innocents. He’s made himself no bettter than Al Qaeda/Taliban.


15 posted on 07/24/2011 2:13:48 PM PDT by Amerikan_Samurai
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Custody [forvaring] - Containment is one of the penalties in the Norwegian legal system. Preventive detention can lead to imprisonment for life, because the original sentence can be extended for an indefinite number of times. Google Translation from Wikipedia http://tinyurl.com/3c9nn4f


16 posted on 07/24/2011 2:20:57 PM PDT by anglian
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To: fso301

I haven’t read the manifesto but for brief excerpts posted on FR, my quick take so far, the overriding message was the civil wars would not start for a good 50 years, there was going to be 2 more generations of Europeans before the system collapsed into civil war.

Bervik was trying to attack the future leaders of the next generation of his intra-national enemies, to deny them the leadership to maintain their control 20 or 50 years from now when this victims would inherit the reins of power inside the Labor Party and fellow travellers’ institutions in Norway.

Genghis Khan and Khan’s sons through GGGgrandsons did the same on the periphery of their empires... and in the inner circle of the empires during transition phases in the later generations.

Right up through the 1500’s the kind of attacks that Bervik committed were regular atrocities committed between rival Houses in Europe....

Look back far enough in history and Bervik’s actions are the historical norm, the last 200 years since the end of the French Revolution are the anomalies.


17 posted on 07/24/2011 2:58:58 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Joe Boucher
This murderer will spend NO more than 21 years in a Danish prison,

Why would he go to a Danish prison?
18 posted on 07/24/2011 3:09:55 PM PDT by drtom
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To: JerseyHighlander; fso301; Elendur
... Bervik was trying to attack the future leaders of the next generation of his intra-national enemies, to deny them the leadership to maintain their control 20 or 50 years from now when this victims would inherit the reins of power inside the Labor Party and fellow travellers’ institutions in Norway. ...

JerseyHighlander's analysis is very interesting. In the good old days, you not only took out your rival, but also all his extended family. You removed future rivals and those who would likely plot revenge. Long term thinking.

I haven't read much of the manifesto yet, however Breivik states one reason for publishing his manifesto is:

"Much of the information presented in this compendium (3 books) has been deliberately kept away from the European peoples by our governments and the politically correct mainstream media (MSM). More than 90% of the EU and national parliamentarians and more than 95% of journalists are supporters of European multiculturalism and therefore supporters of the ongoing Islamic colonisation of Europe; yet, they DO NOT have the permission of the European peoples to implement these doctrines."

Among other things, Breivik details:
1. The rise of cultural Marxism/multiculturalism in Western Europe
2. Why the Islamic colonization and Islamisation of Western Europe began
19 posted on 07/24/2011 3:52:31 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: JerseyHighlander; fso301; Elendur
... Bervik was trying to attack the future leaders of the next generation of his intra-national enemies, to deny them the leadership to maintain their control 20 or 50 years from now when this victims would inherit the reins of power inside the Labor Party and fellow travellers’ institutions in Norway. ...

JerseyHighlander's analysis is very interesting. In the good old days, you not only took out your rival, but also all his extended family. You removed future rivals and those who would likely plot revenge. Long term thinking.

I haven't read much of the manifesto yet, however Breivik states one reason for publishing his manifesto is:

"Much of the information presented in this compendium (3 books) has been deliberately kept away from the European peoples by our governments and the politically correct mainstream media (MSM). More than 90% of the EU and national parliamentarians and more than 95% of journalists are supporters of European multiculturalism and therefore supporters of the ongoing Islamic colonisation of Europe; yet, they DO NOT have the permission of the European peoples to implement these doctrines."

Among other things, Breivik details:
1. The rise of cultural Marxism/multiculturalism in Western Europe
2. Why the Islamic colonization and Islamisation of Western Europe began
20 posted on 07/24/2011 3:56:39 PM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Tucker39
I’d be careful about bragging on him and going on about how intelligent and meticulous he is.

I only posted the account from the Telegraph. I did not write it.

21 posted on 07/24/2011 4:18:57 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: algernonpj; JerseyHighlander; fso301; Elendur
JerseyHighlander's analysis is very interesting. In the good old days, you not only took out your rival, but also all his extended family. You removed future rivals and those who would likely plot revenge. Long term thinking.

That very well may be what it is. I wonder if this was a political "must attend" event where the children of the very elite could be expected to be present, or was it more of a general summer camp attended by the kid's next door?

22 posted on 07/24/2011 6:03:40 PM PDT by fso301
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To: marktwain

YEp, he reminds me of a Loughner or some crazy idiot admiring the poor writing of Mein Kampf. ANd, muslim or not, the attacks have a Beslanesque suicide bomber look to them.


23 posted on 07/25/2011 4:23:22 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: marktwain

Bin Laden is the prime example, along with Marx, of manifestoing the world about. THey claim it is a manifesto, when it is an underlying urge to control and gain power over entire nations and control them.

THese people have oedipian custodies envies on a large scale.

I know a couple people who take Bin Laden’s manifesto at face value, seemingly fascinated by what he says, when it is completely out of the question that any decision by the US or entire nations should be determined by a single nut job.

But what can we say? WIth our governments playing dictatorial role models to society, these kinds of mindset of hijack of the media and deciding the policies of entire nation by a few nuts is becoming more and more popular.

Look no further than the narcissism of unknowns like OBama “getting the jackpot of power” to be the prime motivator of giving hope for the same type of nuts to influence things.

Hope and CHange is the byword here... and certainly not the “usual” respect of opinions, criticism and balance of powers enacted in our Constitution.


24 posted on 07/25/2011 4:32:49 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: bereanway

But this is a guy who also dismisses Hitler as having failed to develop the racial purism properly.

He does not like people with political views that are left of centre. He is several miles further right of Hitler in terms of political philosophies.***********

My understanding is that Breivik was against ethnocentrism. He accused the Muslims among others of being racists but he said that was not the answer to what ailed Europe.

Also, being to the right of Hitler won’t be too difficult as Hitler was clearly a lefty.”-b

Hitler was a socialist. It really bothers me when people call Nazism “right wing.” It was another form of totalitarianism, which are all leftist philosophies.


25 posted on 07/25/2011 5:24:20 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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That very well may be what it is. I wonder if this was a political "must attend" event where the children of the very elite could be expected to be present, or was it more of a general summer camp attended by the kid's next door?

I haven't had time to do a lot of research. It looks like the camp served as training ground for future members of the Labour Party in Norway.

Pro-Palestinian Rally the Day Before the Shooting

Worker's Youth League (AUF) "was formed in April 1927, following the merger of Left Communist Youth League and Socialist Youth League of Norway. Its ideology is social democracy and democratic socialism."

Google translation of pro palestinian rally
26 posted on 07/25/2011 5:38:46 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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