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Mayor pushing to ban plastic bags at Austin stores
statesman.com ^ | 25 July 2011 | Sarah Coppola

Posted on 07/24/2011 11:50:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Austin retailers and grocery stores could no longer offer plastic bags at checkout counters under a ban Mayor Lee Leffingwell and two other City Council members will propose today .

The ban would be phased in gradually, though it's not clear when it would start.

Leffingwell said Sunday that plastic bags pollute waterways, harm wildlife, clog drainage systems and take up landfill space, where they don't biodegrade. A January report from the city's Solid Waste Services Department said Austinites use 263 million plastic bags a year, and the bags cost the city $850,000 a year to put in landfills and to clean up as litter.

"I think there will be a cost benefit and a benefit to the environment of going down this road and coming up with a reasonable ordinance" that bans the bags, Leffingwell said.

To stave off a possible ban in 2008 , six large retailers agreed to try to voluntarily reduce the use of plastic bags, but that program hasn't been effective enough, Leffingwell said.

The City Council will vote Aug. 4 on a resolution from Leffingwell and Council Members Mike Martinez and Chris Riley that would direct staff members to propose a scope for the ban and a timetable for phasing it in. Staff members would have to present a plan to the council in November .

City staffers will work with retailers and other stakeholders to write that plan, the mayor said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: chrisriley; leeleffingwell; mikemartinez; paperorplastic; plasticbags
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Plastic bags don't pollute -- people do.
1 posted on 07/24/2011 11:51:04 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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And paper bags kill trees.

Best not to eat.


2 posted on 07/25/2011 12:02:45 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: smokingfrog

Austin, lol.
Texas’ own little piece of San Fransicko.


3 posted on 07/25/2011 12:04:30 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: smokingfrog

“To stave off a possible ban in 2008 , six large retailers agreed to try to voluntarily reduce the use of plastic bags, but that program hasn’t been effective enough, Leffingwell said.”

The reason for limited government is to allow people the CHOICE in how they want to live their lives.

And if the program wasn’t ‘effective enough’, then this means the people CHOSE plastic bags to be used for their groceries.

Just goes to show that big government politicians can be so prickly stupid.


4 posted on 07/25/2011 12:10:13 AM PDT by JohnBrownUSA (Don't Tread On Me!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Not totally. I blame the critical mass of young (and therefore naive) people for the influx of weirdos.

On the other hand having naive young people around has certain advantages.


5 posted on 07/25/2011 12:13:52 AM PDT by Eyes Unclouded ("The word bipartisan means some larger-than-usual deception is being carried out." -George Carlin)
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To: JohnBrownUSA

Meant “DID NOT CHOOSE” in my comment above.

My apologies for this typo.


6 posted on 07/25/2011 12:17:15 AM PDT by JohnBrownUSA (Don't Tread On Me!)
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To: smokingfrog

So plastic bags take up more room than paper bags? If so, than why does it takes 7 pallets of paper bags to replace one pallet of plastic bags? And what about the poor ‘ol spotted owl and old growth trees that was the cause of switching from paper bags to plastic bags while ruining the logging industry in the Pacific Northwest? Are we looking for another industry to ruin with bogus claims?


7 posted on 07/25/2011 12:17:26 AM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: smokingfrog

The same debate is happening in Portland, OR as we speak.

The funniest thing is that when I moved here almost 20 years ago, they banned the paper bag because they killed trees, and substituted the plastic bag.

Now, they are endorsing the reusable bag.....that comes at a price.

For those who don’t want or can’t afford the reusable bag, I wonder if they will replace the plastic bag with the paper bag? After all, the paper bag is biodegradable.

Environmentalists.......they are so funny!

/s


8 posted on 07/25/2011 12:21:49 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: smokingfrog
Isn't Austin where Whole Paycheck Markets got started? They've had a paper-only bagging policy for some time now.

Annoys me, because that's where I buy most of my sustenance.

9 posted on 07/25/2011 12:22:41 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Eyes Unclouded

Some life insurance salespeople have made a small fortune in college towns.


10 posted on 07/25/2011 12:26:09 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: smokingfrog
Yeah. Those paper bags really biodegrade faster than the plastic ones. Especially when everyone throws them out in a big plastic garbage bag anyway.


11 posted on 07/25/2011 12:34:25 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Just wow. Thank you. I had never looked at this debate from that angle. Should be fun next time I’m making fun of my Austin coworkers for this.


12 posted on 07/25/2011 12:48:21 AM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: smokingfrog
First they came for the toilets, but since I lived in a house with a toilet that worked, I didn't care. Then they came for the shower heads. I knew how to disable the water restrictor, so I didn't care. Then they came for the cigarettes, but I was a nonsmoker. It was no matter for me. Then they came for the margarine, but I prefer butter. Again, no reason to care. Then they came for the plastic bags, but I use paper. And so it goes in the land of the free...
13 posted on 07/25/2011 12:59:20 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. Good, OTOH, is work. It takes discipline.)
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To: Dapper 26

While they lament the amount of landfill space is taken up with plastic grocery bags, not one word is spent on the amount of plastic goes to packaging and wrapping those pallets of paper bags with shrink wrap. In fact, compared to the amount of plastic for industrial purposes, plastic bags amount to a minuscule amount of the total in landfills. As time goes on, even less as more plastic bags are recycled. The only reason for this ban on plastic bags is they want to control Joe Citizen.


14 posted on 07/25/2011 1:05:46 AM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: smokingfrog

They’ve been doing this in Europe for a few years. What’s happening there is coming here...global standardization.


15 posted on 07/25/2011 1:35:37 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I am i the only one who thinks things like this tend to end up giving liberal democrats a bad name? yust sayin’


16 posted on 07/25/2011 1:51:23 AM PDT by flat
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To: dixiechick2000
For those who don’t want or can’t afford the reusable bag, I wonder if they will replace the plastic bag with the paper bag? After all, the paper bag is biodegradable.

1. The plastic bags are great for use as a trash can liner.

2. Reusable bags are not expensive. They can be had for $1.00. That's not a deal breaker.

3. I had a point three but I forgot it...

Sorry, too late to be up typing.

17 posted on 07/25/2011 1:54:19 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: JohnBrownUSA

This is fine...just make every grocery within the city limits as “bag-less”, and then everyone will shop outside of the city-limits. There you go...problem fixed.


18 posted on 07/25/2011 3:02:08 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: gunsequalfreedom; Lazlo in PA

Plastic bags for smaller trash cans, and paper bags for kitchen trash.
Also use them all the time for hauling stuff to relatives, etc.

Plastic bags carried by all (most...)dog-walkers - - -

Advise taking a moment to cut plastic bag handles when finally tossing (empty), and even when recycling.
About 5 years ago I saw a seagull flying and dragging a plastic bag near me as I was driving, 10 miles inland. The bag kept billowing with air.
Don’t have a clue how that all ended.

Any over abundance of paper bags, and they go with the newspapers for recycling here.

Far as I’m concerned, both types of bags are highly (re)useful.

Then we can talk about how to re-use/re-cycle the narrow plastic bags that enclose the daily newspaper - - - !


19 posted on 07/25/2011 3:15:11 AM PDT by USARightSide
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To: USARightSide

Starting in January, in Montgomery country Maryland (the Freak state) you will be charged $.05 for each bag you use. Under the guise of “pollution control” the county finds yet another way to steal money from the consumer. Blatant theft.


20 posted on 07/25/2011 4:25:33 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reducation Camp?)
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To: smokingfrog
Why aren't the sensible people of Austin out in force at the courthouse/Mayor's office about this nonsense. We all have enough to deal with by having a marxist in office on the cusp of destroying our nations credid rating, and this wee-willie-winky mayor now is playing the plastic-bag shuffle.

Europeans take their own bag to the store, but usually only buy a minimum number of items. My weekly groceries would take up 30 of those "personal bags" they hawk at the stores.

Not to mention the hundreds of other uses for plastic grocery bags.

I want all these enviro-nuts to move to a desert island, BAN everything, and biodegrade themselves to the light of a spaghetti bulb.
21 posted on 07/25/2011 4:39:01 AM PDT by FrankR ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat." - R. Reagan)
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To: cynwoody

Isn’t Austin where Whole Paycheck Markets got started? They’ve had a paper-only bagging policy for some time now. >>>>>>

You get ten cents back if you bring your own bag. I stuff an old plastic bag in my pocket to tote my items..... And always ask for the ten cents back. It seems to annoy them.


22 posted on 07/25/2011 4:39:57 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: smokingfrog

What are they going to do about the plastic wrapped used pampers in the parking lots?

Use corn shucks?


23 posted on 07/25/2011 4:59:34 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: FrankR

“...Why aren’t the sensible people of Austin...”


Sensible people of Austin? Are there any?


24 posted on 07/25/2011 5:04:28 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: dixiechick2000
Now, they are endorsing the reusable bag..

See also: E-coli.

All bubble-head liberalism causes unintended bad consequences. Every single component of the left's nanny state agenda, causes bad consequences.

All of it.

25 posted on 07/25/2011 5:06:39 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: CitizenUSA

Excellent post! LOL (although not all that funny, when you think about it.)


26 posted on 07/25/2011 5:09:46 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“See also: E-coli.”

Yeah. I’ve seen reports showing that the re-usable shopping bags are teeming with all kinds of disgusting and seriously dangerous crud. The up-side is that it’s the greenies using the bags primarily; maybe it’s God’s way of culling out the weirdos.

If laundering the bags after each use would help with this safety issue, then we’re using more electricity, putting more used detergent into the ground water, etc. Then they’d complain about that and insist on using paper again.


27 posted on 07/25/2011 5:14:15 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: TheZMan
Should be fun next time I’m making fun of my Austin coworkers for this.

Ask them how they propose dog dung is to be reclaimed by the pet's owner - or is it now environmentally sound to allow the stuff to pile up and make unusable public parks and to permanently annoy the neighbors?

28 posted on 07/25/2011 5:16:19 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: smokingfrog

I’m surprised they haven’t done this at least a decade ago.


29 posted on 07/25/2011 5:19:14 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: JohnBrownUSA
The reason for limited government is to allow people the CHOICE in how they want to live their lives.

The only choice Progressives want you to have is to end a life through abortion and euthanasia. Every other decision can only be made by a highly compensated government employee - and then only for other people, not for themselves.

30 posted on 07/25/2011 5:20:36 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: DH
-------Sensible people of Austin? Are there any?-----

Yes.

At my wife's insistence, on our one month wandering around Texas, we visited Austin for two days. While hunting up a store she was intent on visiting, we walked a block or so down a main street. There were the usual signs and bills pasted to trash receptacles and light poles advocating all the leftist causes and advocacies.

To my total surprise, there were numerous editions of the Obama Joker photos. They were too numerous to miss. The message was delivered

So, there are in fact some sensible and dedicated people in Austin


31 posted on 07/25/2011 5:21:05 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: dennisw
Isn’t Austin where Whole Paycheck Markets got started?

I lay odds these dopes are behind this new intrusion.

The plan is that you are to put the collective's purchases in a backpack and transport them to the commune on a city bicycle.

32 posted on 07/25/2011 5:26:40 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: The Theophilus

Sad, but oh so true... :(


33 posted on 07/25/2011 5:26:45 AM PDT by JohnBrownUSA (Don't Tread On Me!)
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To: smokingfrog
Twenty years ago these same NUTS were demanding we all stop using paper bags and switch to plastic. It was "for the environment".

morons.

34 posted on 07/25/2011 6:01:54 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: smokingfrog

Keep Austin Weird is more than just a slogan. It’s a way of life apparently.


35 posted on 07/25/2011 6:15:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: bronxville
They’ve been doing this in Europe for a few years.

We lived in Germany for six years and they didn't have plastic or paper bags. You bought a cloth bag and reused it until it wore out. I've seen that tried here, but it hasn't caught on.

36 posted on 07/25/2011 6:33:23 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: mbynack

I grew up there and we always had our shopping bags or baskets (shopping at the butchers etc was a daily excursion) but they introduced plastic bags when the supermarkets appeared. Now they’ve gone back to the old way and charge for the plastic bags which they believe will deter it’s use. I don’t know the stats, but I’m inclined to think it’s likely reduced useage, somewhat.


37 posted on 07/25/2011 7:10:58 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: DH

I hate that!


38 posted on 07/25/2011 7:54:51 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: USARightSide

We use a ton of the grocery store plastic bags. 4 inside cats. The grocery size bag make perfect the size/price for multiple litter box collections. Paper bags won’t cut it.


39 posted on 07/25/2011 8:33:06 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: smokingfrog
Paper or Plastic sir?

Actually if the grocery stores I shop at really did offer me a choice between the two I wouldn't care about this issue. But since they don't (or better yet, won't) give me a choice at all I for one would prefer paper over plastic anytime! I'm not for government mandated (no) choice but I can reluctantly accept the 'carrot and stick' approach to a sensible solution of giving me the consumer, a reasonable choice of paper or plastic.

40 posted on 07/25/2011 8:58:03 AM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: dixiechick2000
.... Environmentalists.......they are so funny!

LOL. Actually they are left-handed way out there wing nuts of the worst kind.

41 posted on 07/25/2011 9:00:03 AM PDT by Ron H. (Help your neighbor find a job - turn in an illegal alien job stealer.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

‘___________4 inside cats.’

I hear ya.

Makes me wonder from time to time - whatever did we do before plastic bags???!

I first remember seeing these plastic bags in a travelogue or something, on TV.
The host was showing the shopping in a small village or some such; I saw people carrying these handy things and wondered what did they have that we didn’t??!
Don’t think we yet had paper bags either, with handles, such as Trader Joe’s paper bags.

So those plastic bags looked like a wonder, to me!


42 posted on 07/25/2011 2:26:15 PM PDT by USARightSide
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To: JohnBrownUSA; All
Good point. It showed people WANT plastic.

People got the message "Paper kills trees" from the enviros and nanny state government so they made the switch to plastic.

One problem I see is there's no easy way to recycle those plastic bags. We have mandatory recycling but plastic bags are prohibited. They end up in landfills because they've been reused as trash bags.

43 posted on 07/25/2011 2:52:51 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. Could happen.)
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To: USARightSide

The dirty secret about the plastic bags are that they are designed to disintegrate in a lot of cases. The UV rays turn them to dust rather fast. I have tested a few when they came out. Took about a month.

Coming home today, I had to pick up groceries in a downpour. All my stuff made it to the car intact except the 7UP box was done by the time I got the tailgate window up. Had to spoon a few cans from the lot before I could put the window down. I remember paper bags not being so generous in the rain as well.


44 posted on 07/25/2011 2:56:06 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: FrankR

Thought a mention of the banned light bulb would surely
(’ stop calling me Shirley . . .’) pop up here - - - L O L !!!


45 posted on 07/25/2011 3:19:29 PM PDT by USARightSide
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To: Lazlo in PA

‘________The UV rays turn them to dust_______.’

In an earlier posting, I was going to suggest I think I’ve noticed one store’s plastic bag “not holding up,” that I was suspicious the bag was intentionally disintegrating.

That would be the bag from the ‘99Cent Store.’
Fine with me. I just make a note not to use these bags for long-term storage.

Of course, anything could change at any time - - -


46 posted on 07/25/2011 3:46:06 PM PDT by USARightSide
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To: jonrick46

‘_______they want to control Joe Citizen.’

Control, control.
Got that right.


47 posted on 07/25/2011 4:19:49 PM PDT by USARightSide
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48 posted on 07/25/2011 4:23:58 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: hal ogen

‘______Blatant theft.’

Ah, Maryland.
Had 2 daughter’s born there - lived in Lexington Park/PAX River - contractor, not Navy.
Left for New Mexico and the Lunar Module program, a few months after Kennedy was assasinated - - -

I’m not getting when you would pay for the bags - how would the packer/checker know how many bags are going to be needed? Are we charged after all the groceries are packed, and before paying for same? Probably. . .

Is the public expected to have ready change for the bags, even tho using a charge card for the groceries? (Airline tickets)
It will probably be smoother than I’m thinking - - - yeah, theft can be smooth. . .


49 posted on 07/25/2011 4:40:39 PM PDT by USARightSide
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To: USARightSide

However this will be implemented, it will be a hassle and cost $. The LIB morons are relentless in pursuit of OPM (other people’s money). Pox on them.


50 posted on 07/25/2011 5:27:24 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reducation Camp?)
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