Why do Jews still support Obama?

Same crap. If a Jew (or a black) read this thread, think he give a second look to the candidates advocated on the site?

61 posted on 07/25/2011 5:38:30 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))

Why are so many generalizing, slippery, neo-Nazi rants against Jews posted here, when Jewish people comprise such a small percentage of our population? Most Catholics voted for Obama, and Catholics comprise 25% of the population. Most politicians are Catholic, and most Catholic politicians are Democrats. We don’t see thousands of posts on this site generalizing against U.S. Catholics, as posts like yours do against Jewish people.

62 posted on 07/25/2011 5:46:43 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a noisy avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the earth.)

To: kabumpo; SJackson

Whatever “goyim” “goy” and shiksa might have meant a long time ago, how tbe words are used now is/are a pejorative. As in “stupid shiksa”, “goyishe kopf” dumb goy etc.
Heard it my whole life.

You say part of your family is Jewish? What does this mean? My experience as a full Jew ---- I have heard those words used pejoratively maybe 10 times in my life. "Goy" --- I have rarely heard a Jew use that one at all. It's kind of dated. Shiksa I have heard more often as a neutral or complimentary statement. Such as he "He's going out with a lovely blond Shiksa". This said in a joking ironic way. "Goyim" I have heard as a simple statement of them being non-Jewish. Not said derisively

The usage you are angry about is dated back to when Al Capone was still alive

63 posted on 07/25/2011 5:50:32 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)

Your post is much appreciated!

64 posted on 07/25/2011 5:59:12 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)

The usage you are angry about is dated back to when Al Capone was still alive

Unless, of course, a Jew reads the Tanakh, a Christian the "Old Testament", in which case they're seeing the term constantly, referring both to non-Jews and Jews.

65 posted on 07/25/2011 6:03:34 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))

Freepers are very pissed with Bammy in the White House so they take it out on Jews. Jewish votes may not amount to much but they figure wealthy Jewish donors and high profile Hollywood Jews are very helpful to Obama and the Democrats. They see Bammy’s inner circle as having some Jewish Svengalis such as Axelrod. They are sick of the ACLU which attacks Christmas and school prayer. The ACLU seems to be 80% Jewish lawyers

66 posted on 07/25/2011 6:06:08 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)

67 posted on 07/25/2011 6:07:02 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)

Thanks. I’ve always enjoyed reading yours.

68 posted on 07/25/2011 6:12:06 PM PDT by familyop ("The Romans and their Empire were but a bauble in comparison to the Jews." --President John Adams)

Because posters believe this is the innate character of Jews, all Jews, but only the occasional thread provides the opportunity to vent within the rules.

69 posted on 07/25/2011 6:12:06 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))

To: Tzfat; Ann Archy

And, for the record, for 1,800 years it was "Christians" who persecuted, raped, pillaged, and murdered Jews, while Jews living in Muslim lands were largely left alone.

I've seen this narrative about a thousand times, but something about it just doesn't pass the smell test.

If Christians were such horrible, vile persecutors, why did the Jews stay living among them?

And why after numerous expulsion orders over history were lifted later, why did the Jews immediately move back into those countries?

Why would someone follow their persecutor around everywhere?

70 posted on 07/25/2011 6:12:47 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)

Freepers are very pissed with Bammy in the White House so they take it out on Jews.

You know that's not it. How many threads did you see slamming Jews, the most anti Iraq war demographic, on FR, a pro Iraq war site, as warmongering neocons. It's not Obama, it's not the Iraq war, it's Jews that riles some people up.

71 posted on 07/25/2011 6:18:19 PM PDT by SJackson (Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))

To: triumphant values

ever hear of Israel?? Yet many Christians in Europe are against this nation. So where do you suggest Jews live? In Mongolia? Fact is Jews have gone though the good and the bad living in Christian nations

72 posted on 07/25/2011 6:22:43 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)

Alan Bergstein is a neo-Nazi?

What he's doing is asking a question. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

The "secular Jews" are a big paradox, and the baby-killing "Cafeteria Catholics" deserve just as much criticism.

We don’t see thousands of posts on this site generalizing against U.S. Catholics

Oh it happens, but I don't believe in criticizing any group for their faith...but if they politically participate in the active destruction of this nation...they're fair game.

So what's your view of baby-killing Obama supporters of any stripe?

73 posted on 07/25/2011 6:33:50 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( I love the smell of burning Hope & Change in the morning.)

Hey, I thought you were an alien like me all these years. Heh. There won’t be any ex over my grave, either (or any mark). And I’m not an Atheist or Muslim. ...too far out in the middle of nowhere to convert, so I’ll be available on Saturdays for now.

IMO, jealousy against Jewish people is similar to jealousy against rich people: wrong and unnecessary. On to the world to come, I hope.

74 posted on 07/25/2011 6:36:32 PM PDT by familyop (There are Thirteen Principles and One Unity.)

ever hear of Israel?

We were discussing the "1800 years" that another Jewish poster brought up. Not the last 60.

Fact is Jews have gone though the good and the bad living in Christian nations

That doesn't really address the bulk of my question, but it is certainly a more fair statement of historical Christian/Jewish relations than I normally see.

What I see usually is a double standard where one side is free to issue a blanket condemnation on one side's ancestors and the other side has to agree with the statement and not make any rebuttal or face an accusation of anti-Semitism.

I'll give you an example. Which of these two lines could get freely published in the NY Times tomorrow with out arousing any backlash:

1. "Historical persecution by Christians of Jews,"

2. "Historical anti-Christian and anti-gentile attitudes of Jews"

Now they both happened and existed, but one is certainly a more broachable subject in conversation today than the other. Just look at threads right here on this forum.

I don't like sacred cows, I don't like double standards, and I don't like blanket condemnations of my ancestors any more than you do.

75 posted on 07/25/2011 6:41:07 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)

"Oh it happens, but I don't believe in criticizing any group for their faith...but if they politically participate in the active destruction of this nation...they're fair game."

Bush on Israel: Heartburn for All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844641/posts

President Abbas asks Congress help to release PNA funds withheld by Israel
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844647/posts

Bush releases money to Abbas
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1844646/posts

Rice: Better to have Hamas in power than in streets
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1733397/posts

Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of ‘occupation’[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717847/posts

US Supplies Fatah With Arms, Rice Decries “Occupation”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718348/posts

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts

Disciples of Christ to Israel: Drop dead
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-religion/1458942/posts

U.S. Presbyterians target five firms with Israel links
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458765/posts

The Church Stares Into the Abyss (The dhimmitude of the Church of England)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1435084/posts

(Anti-Semitic) Anglican group urges Israel sanctions
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430566/posts

Anglicans Call for Sanction on Investment in Israel to Uphold Justice
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430772/posts

THE VATICAN AND THE STANDOFF AT THE CHURCH OF THE NATIVITY
http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp515.htm

Two United Methodist gatherings urge selective divestment from Israel (official anti-Israel United Methodist Website)
http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.886089/k.A105/Two_United_Methodist_gatherings_urge_selective_divestment_from_Israel.htm

world council of churches (WCC)
church & ecumenical relations
http://www.wcc-coe.org/wcc/what/ecumenical/index-e.html
"Among those churches which are not members of the WCC, the most notable is the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). Since 1965 a Joint Working Group (JWG), co-sponsored by the WCC and the RCC, has met regularly to discuss issues of common interest and promote cooperation. The group meets annually. One of the church and ecumenical relations staff members serves as co-secretary for the JWG and helps to coordinate contact between the Council and the dicasteries of the Vatican through the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. [And] . . . Though the Roman Catholic Church is not a member of the WCC, it is a full member of the Faith & Order Commission. The RCC also serves the team on Mission & Evangelism in a consultative capacity."

President Bush Calls for New Palestinian Leadership
The Rose Garden
June 24, 2002
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020624-3.html
"The United States, the international donor community and the World Bank stand ready to work with Palestinians on a major project of economic reform and development. The United States, the EU, the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund are willing to oversee reforms in Palestinian finances, encouraging transparency and independent auditing."

Quartet Joint Statement
Summary
July 16, 2002: Text of a joint statement issued by the "Quartet" (United Nations, Russian Federation, the United States and the European Union) following their meeting in New York
[Document behind the link.]
http://europa-eu-un.org/articles/sk/article_1489_sk.htm
"The new international Task Force on Reform, which is comprised of representatives of the U.S., EU, UN Secretary General, Russia, Japan, Norway, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, and which works under the auspices of the Quartet, will strive to develop and implement a comprehensive action plan for reform."

...little more background material:

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts
February 1, 2005

Bush and Sharon disagree over Israel's future
Wednesday June 27, 2001
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,513410,00.html

Sharon presses Putin to drop UN resolution on road map
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1013908/posts
4 November 2003

Commencement Address at Boston College (Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Boston, Massachusetts, May 22, 2006. US Department of State)

Excerpts:

As a student of a Catholic high school, the Sisters of Loretta taught me, I am pleased to be at an institution of higher education with such strong and celebrated Catholic and Jesuit traditions . . . You see, I got my Master's Degree at Notre Dame. (Boos.) I acquired a passion for the fighting Irish . . . and my family has been college educated and Presbyterian ever since. (Laughter and applause.) . . . I wandered into a course on international politics taught by a Czech refugee who specialized in Soviet studies, a man who had a daughter by the name of Madeleine Albright. With that one class, I was hooked. I discovered that my passion was Russia and all things Russian.

Vatican Condemns Israel for Attacks on Lebanon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665678/posts
(under Bush Administration)

Israel Asks U.S. to Ship Rockets With Wide Blast-State Department seeks to delay supply
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1681771/posts

(under Bush Administration)
US pressure prompts delay of [Israel's] offensive ("We do not want escalations" - White House)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1680983/posts
(under Bush Administration)

US, Europe to shun Jerusalem Day celebrations
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1832905/posts

76 posted on 07/25/2011 6:45:32 PM PDT by familyop ("But I underestimated you; you're a total freakin' retard!" --the Deacon, "Waterworld")

To: triumphant values

I don't like sacred cows, I don't like double standards, and I don't like blanket condemnations of my ancestors any more than you do.

What scared cows do you have in mind? Spit it out dude. Don't be shy.
Your #70 had two dumb rhetorical questions which I answered

77 posted on 07/25/2011 7:05:38 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)

Spit it out dude.

I just did.

Don't be shy.

Don't play passive/aggressive.

Your #70 had two dumb rhetorical questions which I answered

They were poignant, they weren't rhetorical, and they weren't answered.

78 posted on 07/25/2011 7:16:40 PM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)

Well, that’s a nice collection of anti-Semitic sentiment which you appear to expect me to defend, and I won’t.

Condi Rice hardly epitomizes the typical American Conservative, and many of those church references are not even American. Maybe I should have, but I never heard of the “Disciples of Christ to Israel”

The truth is that Israel has no better allies than American Christian Conservatives.

If you care to review my posting history you will find me commenting that the “Palestinians” should all be repatriated in their homelands, which are mostly Jordan and Egypt. And that Israel should not capitulate to their enemies, never mind giving up territory.

Now since you neglected to answer my question:

What’s your view of baby-killing Obama supporters of any stripe?

PS By the way, the Nazis were socialist control freaks (just like the RATs currently enjoying your support) NOT freedom loving, small government American Conservatives.

79 posted on 07/25/2011 7:21:12 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( I love the smell of burning Hope & Change in the morning.)

"Now since you neglected to answer my question:

What’s your view of baby-killing Obama supporters of any stripe?"

Nearly all politicos are supporters of abortion (including the pagan feminists who rant against it while blaming it all on men in general). And most politicos are liars; most of them are socialists dependent on various levels of socialist government in various ways. They're bringing our nation to default. With a chance for better leadership on the other side of default, we're helping them with their prideful stupidity by refusing unnecessary personal spending and becoming more self-sufficient.

There are no conservatives in partisan politics.

80 posted on 07/25/2011 7:35:27 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was sacked in a day--twice.)

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