Skip to comments.Among the Tax-takers (getting tattoos on their backsides)
Posted on 07/25/2011 6:58:30 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
....I can't talk specifics about my time at the IRS, but here are some generalities. Those claiming EITC also qualify for other so-called refundable credits (how can something be refundable when nothing is paid in the first place?). The typical 1040 would show an income of between $12,000 to $18,000 for the year. It was usually accompanied by one W-2 with the income earned almost always by a female. With other refundable credits listed, a "refund" would be claimed of between $6,000 and $9,000.
And these people believe that is their money; they have a right to it. I fielded a telephone query from a woman who didn't even say hello, but blurted, "I haven't got my taxes." For an instant I thought she meant that she didn't have enough money to pay her taxes, but I quickly realized she was talking about her "refund." We newbies learned that those who pay taxes have a general fear of calling the IRS and tend to be nice on the telephone, while those who don't pay any taxes believe they are entitled and are not always pleasant to deal with. We also learned these aren't the brightest people on the planet with many signing their refund over to a tax-preparer and then claiming they didn't know they had done that. (The "instant refund" scam perpetrated by many storefront tax-preparers is a whole other story.)
...A golfing buddy said his girlfriend's daughter claims EITC among other things and received a U.S. government check for $6,000. She used the money to take her toddler daughter and the child's ne'er-do-well father to the Monterey Bay Aquarium -- a couple hundred bucks -- and spent the remainder for a giant tattoo on her back. I'm so glad I could help....
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Surely the US would never do so.
Actually, there is little basis for assuming they would not and factual evidence they would. Here are three good reasons to believe they would:.........."
Is this a too-fer one post? Your comment and the IRA article deserve their own thread if there isn’t one already.
I have noticed that EITC is the original “Cash for Clunkers” program. As mentioned in the article, the typical bastard child (original meaning) payment was between $3,000 and $6,000 or the price of a used car.
Reid and Pelosi want tax increases so much?
how about starting with this?
this should be blatantly unconstitutional.
and hiding it as a “refund” is despicible.
worse, millions of ILLEGAL immigrants are getting this,
paid by legal taxpayers.
Go for it. I have to take off in a bit.
We should all send this article to our Congresscritters and local tea party. Am doing this today.
I have mentioned that exact scenario to my accountant and a financial advisor and was scoffed at. Actually I think I phrased it as the govt deciding to impose a surcharge on anyone who has been “lucky” enough (that’s how Bambi sees wealth) to accumulate any net worth.
Like, they would say, “Hey, send us 4% of your net worth and we’ll be magnanimous and not freeze all of your accounts.”
The ruling class has skillfully clouded the notion of taxes. I have a simple plan:
1. Teach High School Seniors how to fill out a 1040-EZ
2. No more automatic withholding for anything - write a check at the end of the year.
3. Accompany EIC ‘refunds’ with a letter, explaining that it is really a ‘donation’.
No. 1 takes the mystery away, and helps dumb minds understand what taxes are...and prevents them from paying a few hundred bucks at H&R Block, with a refund anticipation loan tacked on.
No. 2 will let people ‘feel it’ alot more. People will really become more aware of what they pay. As a compromise, I would accept writing a monthly check to the government, for each program (IRS, Medicaid, Soc Security, etc.).
No. 3 would educate these morons working the register at the gas station - quit bragging to each other about how big your ‘refund’ is going to be, in front of people like me. Only 56% of people pay taxes...and I swear only 56% of the people in this country are aware of this fact. The other 44% still think they pay taxes...and evil politicians like Pelosi get them riled up - why do the rich get a tax break, when I don’t?
Make it October 31st, for several reasons, the main reason being that it would be within 2 weeks of election day.
I use a similar argument from liberals who say "we" need to help the poor. When I ask "Why?", they are appalled. My defense is that I am more than willing to help them learn a skill but I am unwilling to give them cash because they just fritter it away (as this article points out). Most do nothing to solve their economic problems. They simply want me to pay for their existence. I go on to tell them that, if they feel that way, add a few thousand extra dollars to your tax return if it makes you feel better, but don't ask me to chip in on programs I don't believe in.
my niece has several children, and her husband works hard, but the kids are all on medicaid....and they get the big check too....it makes me a little mad however when I hear she's running her cat to the vets.......how can you not have enough money for your family yet can afford taking an animal to the vet?....
It is actually worse than he describes. We have it going on in our extended family. Husband and wife..two kids. She works as waitress part time for cash. He works part time in kitchen. She gets SS disability..for minor chronic condition which doesn’t prevent her working. So they make enough to survive without help. They could make more, but she would loose SS if she did work more hours and declare it. This year they “got refund” of $9000.
All the illegals working for cash are doing something similar.
Worst of all, they also abuse the local nonprofit food pantries. One renter moved out and left behind an entire bedroom crammed literally full of food pantry items. Other renters have left behind multiple rooms of "voucher clothing" that was worn until it became dirty and then was discarded into a heap.
This really hurts me when I think about how hard I've worked for my income and how careful and frugal my wife and I are as we provide for our family. I'm really tired of carrying the deadwood on my back.
FROM LINK:”We generally knew that 47 percent of our population pays no income taxes whatsoever. However, we didn't know, and I suspect that very few of you know, how much of your tax money is actually given to non-taxpayers — in a lump sum, to do with as they please. Like most anti-poverty programs, the Earned Income Tax Credit when enacted in 1975 was supposed to be temporary. It was visualized as a tool to lift the working poor out of poverty. It was quickly made permanent and has been modified numerous times over the ensuing 36 years. In 2004, 20 million families received $36 billion. The flower children assume that was $36 billion spent on food, shelter, and health care. We who live in the real world know it was spent on big-screen television sets, 22-inch chrome wheels, and colorful tattoos. It was widely noted last week that those living below the poverty level in the U.S. tend to own cars, TVs, computers, cells phones, enjoy air-conditioning, and own video game consoles. The free money these folks receive from you and me is not counted for poverty level calculations. The typical 1040 would show an income of between $12,000 to $18,000 for the year. It was usually accompanied by one W-2 with the income earned almost always by a female. With other refundable credits listed, a “refund” would be claimed of between $6,000 and $9,000.
And these people believe that is their money; they have a right to it. I fielded a telephone query from a woman who didn't even say hello, but blurted, “I haven't got my taxes.” For an instant I thought she meant that she didn't have enough money to pay her taxes, but I quickly realized she was talking about her “refund.”
July 25, 2011 Among the Tax-takers
I have a family member who went to nursing school with a girl who was attending on the taxpayer dime. When she finished school, she decided she wouldn’t sit for her board exams because then the government would expect her to get a job.
The boy worked with a single mom (unmarried but baby daddy on the scene helping suck up bennies) who received a $6000 refund. My first thought was pay the rent and utilities up... she took her little “poverty stricken” family on a cruise.
Getting something for nothing appears to be the NEW American dream.
I’ve suggested to my libinlaw that if she and her fellow travelers feel so strongly about “helping the needy” that they should start a charity with that goal in mind.
The response was that “people wouldn’t give enough”.
Oh, so if they won’t give voluntarily, it’s OK to just take it, eh?
Responsible people often have to skip years to save up enough for the occasional modest vacation.
Those on the dole often take several lavish vacations a year.
Yeah, but we’re not in favor of tax hikes.
“we’ve had nurses aides who stay UNMARRIED but living with their “significant” other just so they can claim the big money at the end of the year.....”
This is common here in Illinois. As I go through the statistics that pertain to our school district (the 2nd largest in the state), I am amazed at how many students and families of students are on public aid of some sort. It ranges from 40%-85% depending on neighborhood. One of the common denominators is that the head of household is unmarried, works part time, or is unemployed and claim dependency of the children.
I have no real evidence that this is done on purpose to obtain public aid, but I have plenty of anecdotal evidence.
And, no, these are not all minorities. Yes, greatest chunk comes from self described Latino, the 2nd chunk comes from African American yes, but when one adds up the number for the 3rd group (White/Mixed) it can be jaw dropping.
We created a whole new welfare class here with the Latinos, and politicos trying to court their vote (both sides of the aisle, for sure). I remember growing up, one could observe that blacks were the only minority class. As many blacks migrated into the working environment, it seems that Latino’s were brought in to fill the gap.
I have little doubt that creating and keeping a good percentage of Americans on welfare was indeed the goal. Both in order to retain / increase government jobs and to buy votes for those running for office.
My wife observed that in this country, there is very little incentive to be married, and indeed, if you are middle income or lower, the incentive for mothers is to remain single by far. She also noted that we are now on the path that even owning a home or property is becoming a liability, as we have seen our own property values shrink (for many reasons), while our taxes on said properties have gone up several hundred percent over the last 15 years, and now with the elimination of the Interest Deduction sitting on the table, and with home ownership disqualifying so many folks from being “on the dole”, she thinks (and quite possibly so), that as far as the depressing housing markets go... “we aint seen nothin yet”.
As has often been said, (perpetually) poor people have poor ways.
In the last 20 years, we’ve gone on vacation 3 times. Always seems to be something more important do to with the money! :/
I swear, most libs couldn’t draw a breath for themselves if it weren’t reflexive.
And at some point, 47% becomes 51%. Thomas Jefferson was right.
Stocking up on food, fuel, ammunition, etc. ....
I laughed out loud when I saw it on TV.
Transition them into the workforce my ass - they are just looking to remove their “colors” to join another gang or remove a baby-daddy or baby-mama name - so they can land another layabout to make another bastard with to collect more tax dollars from.
>>worse, millions of ILLEGAL immigrants are getting this,
paid by legal taxpayers.<<
That us who Ted Kennedy intended it for. He figured they needed cash not foodstuffs or more school supplies so he did his damnedest to get it for them.
I can pick them out in the grocery store too. They never compare prices.
>>I have mentioned that exact scenario to my accountant and a financial advisor and was scoffed at.<<
So who did you believe? The professionals or a writer who is trying to stir the bucket?
>>The other 44% still think they pay taxes...<<
The other 44% do pay taxes...
Real Estate Tax
Well Permit Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Road Usage Tax
CDL license Tax
Dog License Tax
State Income Tax
Food License Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Gross Receipts Tax
Social Security Tax
Service Charge Tax
Fishing License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Building Permit Tax
IRS Interest Charges
Hunting License Tax
Marriage License Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Personal Property Tax
Accounts Receivable Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
Utility Taxes Vehicle License Registration Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
During tax debates, you have to differentiate between state, local and federal taxes if you want to get your point across.
Mow you are understanding why Zer0 wants more money. Your niece is just playing the system. I’ll bet you could too if you were that immoral.
I started my company (with a partner) 5 years ago. Started slow, but I’m making good money now. My wife quit work, so she goes on vacation by herself 3 or 4 times a year, spends a week at a time with her dad or our kids. We go someplace together, usually on a weekend, a couple of times a year. I’m too focused on this place to feel comfortable leaving for more than a day or so. We could afford to go on cruises together if we wanted. My business partner is always talking about retirement (we’re late 50’s), but I haven’t even considered it. I actually enjoy work now.
Well, I’m still with the same people. But I just think if times get worse, there are no depths the govt won’t sink to to confiscate wealth.
SE Los Angeles has people all over the place from what I hear making no money, on welfare and who end up filing what is in fact false tax returns for 3-7 thousand dollars.
Yep, tax preparers that probably will vanish do this and they think this is normal to make nothing and get thousands back.
Isn’t America great?
I’ll start looking out for that.
Funny. These libs all say they want to help others and how sad it is. When you ask them to put up the cash-they usually shut up or make excuses.
, but don’t ask me to chip in on programs I don’t believe in.
Well, that explains the Republican tax cut message doesn't play well among large blocks of voters - taxes are something they get, not something they pay. :)
REFERENCE Earned Income Tax Credit is available only to immigrant workers who obtain legal work status. But the law allows immigrants to claim EITC for up to three years prior to obtaining that status. Workers simply file a tax return for the years in which they were not legally eligible to work in the US.
The most widespread EITC abuse stems from the requirement that children live with the worker for more than six months of the year. IRS does little to verify the claim. Many immigrants claim non-existent children, or claim children who theyve left behind with relatives. Those with two or more children and income below $32,121 could get as much as $4,008.
It is estimated that illegals got $22 billion EITC checks so far (could be more, much more)..and that's with one identity. Evidence shows illegals establish multiple identities to ride the US gravy train.
DON'T WORRY, THEY EAT WELL EBT food stamp cards are issued to illegal immigrants w/ children who are US citizens (anchor babies) who qualify for US benefits. The county cant issue EBT cards directly to those under 18, so they are issued to the illegal head of household, instead.
There are some who would say that if you tried to get rid of this, you would be raising taxes, and therefore violating the anti-tax pledge, and would be a RINO.
It’s part of the complexity of discussing taxes, when tax policy is as much about spending money to pay people to do government’s bidding, or to pay them off for voting democrat, as it is about fairly taxing the earnings of people to pay for the government.
I’d say at least half the tax code deductions and credits should really be treated as expenditures, including part of the mortgage interest deduction, but agreement on these lists often depends on which deductions and credits a person is getting.
And again, I would like to thank all you other taxpayers for helping me to buy two Prius automobiles, and to replace my old Air Conditioning Unit. Oh, and for helping me put my daughter through college this year. Yes, I happen to pay more in taxes each year than the combined total of all these credits, but if nobody got the credits, ALL the taxpayers could have gotten a slightly smaller bill.
I live in Illinois too.
Three years ago, my wife and I got custody of two of our grand children from Missouri. This was an interstate foster care type agreement with the Mo. court, no care payments involved from either state because we told the judge that we could provide for our own g/kids. We found ourselves in the position of having to “argue” with a judge, to NOT take any (Missouri) state money, we eventually prevailed and he commended us for our stand.
The “foster” part of the arrangement was to be temporary while we were being investigated for approval by Illinois legal guardianship, at which time we would be granted legal guardianship. This process took from May of one year until Jan. the following year. In that period, I could not add them to my insurance until we got legal permanent guardianship of them (A requirement of my insurer)
So far, so good but the judge told us that they would have to stay on medicaid until they were covered by my insurance. I argued, if you will, that my wife and I would pay all their medical needs in the interim and were financially able to do so and I had financial records with me to prove the point.
We did not prevail on that issue, the judge ordered that they stay on medicaid, until we had that legal guardianship.
On being approved by Illinois, we ran into yet another road block, the case worker assigned to us insisted that we receive pymts. from Illinois foster care, we insisted that we neither needed or wanted it. We did manage to prevail on that point.
Next, we enrolled them in school, both 3rd. graders at the time and one of the questions we were required to answer was, insurers name. We told the lady medicaid and immediately she told us that they would get “free” lunches and breakfasts automatically. We told her that we were perfectly able to feed our own g/children and at last we had run into a conservative thinker.
She didn’t argue about it and commended us for it - commendation for doing what to us, was simply the right thing to do. She was required by law to tell us about the “freebies”. My wife and I had a nice conversation with her and as I stated, she was a conservative minded person. She told us “in confidence” that between 45%-50% of all the students at the school, got “free” lunch and breakfast. I was astounded, we do not live in a poor area at all.
We have legal guardianship of the children and are in the adoption process now, so far we have spent $3,000 lawyers and court fees and expect to spend quite a bit more before it’s over. There is an adoption tax credit available unless the liberals rescind it and I do plan to take that.
He was arrested for burning down their house (says he didn't do it, but me thinks thou (they) protestets to much)
When they got the tax check, their case was also beginning. But couldn't afford a lawyer, so went with a public defender. Of course their defender was "in cahoots with the police" and "they never had a chance" and took a plea bargain.
One interesting point is, at no point did my cousins husband ever look for a part time job to make extra money to pay for a lawyer. Never did my cousin herself, ever look for a job, to pay for a good lawyer to keep her husband out of jail.
My cousins husband requires blood pressure meds, and the jail requires them to obtain them through their sources, versus them buying them and bringing them in. Which is a lot more expensive. My cousin hasn't looked for a job in order to pay for these meds. Her 23 yr old daughter has only had a job about 9 months her entire life, and hasn't had one in 2 years. Her almost 20 yr old, just graduated HS last year, and has a part time job. Neither one can afford to buy dads meds. But they each both went and got a small tatoo last week.
My cousins husbands last payroll check just came, and she had to buy her 23 year old daughter, cigarettes and minutes for her cell phone.
Now my cousin and her husband want to claim bankruptcy so they don't have to pay any of their debts or 35k restitution for the house.
Since restitution is court mandated, I expect when my cousins husband gets out, he won't be able to "find" a job, and go on full welfare and food stamps.
Oh I forgot. They took some of their tax money and bought ANOTHER computer (with a touch screen) for $900.
Oh yeah, they don't have any money for their property taxes.
2 year disallowance for 'reckless' EIC claim, 10 year disallowance for fraudulent claimGot that? If they Get Caught Cheating (aka: 'Being Reckless') they just can't claim their
A person or couple will be disallowed EIC for two years if they claim EIC when not eligible and the IRS determines the "error is due to reckless or intentional disregard of the EIC rules."
A person or couple will be disallowed for ten years if they make a fraudulent claim. Form 8862 is required after this time period in order to be reinstated. However, this form is not required if EIC was reduced solely because of math or clerical error.
But if the IRS determines it's was a 'fraudulent claim' instead of 'just Reckless', they can't file a phony EITC for ten years. And after that - they can start filing 'fraudulent claims' -- AGAIN!
Now honestly, who besides some dimwitted democRAT Politician, or faceless MORON bureaucrat, could come up with something as utterly STOO-PID™ as that!
This EITC nonsense should be repealed ... like yesterday.
Ditto for that asinine AMT.
What type of business (I hope you don’t mind me asking)?
One of TV’s Judge Judy’s official acts is to ascertain a defendant’s financial stability.
I love the look on Judge Judy’s face when a defendant tells her she/he does not work but got $6000 from the IRS.
JJ looks appalled.
I haven't seen that show in a long time. But from what I remember she didn't seem to 'appreciate' Dead-Beats and Liars.
Thanks for the LINK!
Obama is a community organizer — he keeps everyone scared and dependent, so he can control and organize them.
He’s doing EXACTLY what he intended all along.
The system has been terribly dysfunctional for years. The waste and fraud are beyond most’s folks ability to take in the whole.
Congratulations on the success of your business! That’s fantastic! I can fully understand your feelings as we also started a new business about 5 years ago. It’s so much more work but so much more gratifying, as well. It’s always nice to hear someone loves going to work! :)
Sadly, I’m the partner in Hubby’s business (poor fella!) and, since he works between 80-100 hours a week, in my off hours I’m the CEO of child-rearing, yard-mowing, meal-fixing, gutter-cleaning, errand-running, paper-working, roof-painting and everything else he doesn’t have time to tackle. Lol!