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Norway Killer: Must 'Kill Civilian Children To Earn Trust of and Reach Common Ground With Islam'
Breivik Manifesto/kevinislaughter.com ^ | unk | Anders Behring Breivik

Posted on 07/25/2011 7:51:39 AM PDT by drpix

From Killer's Own Words: "...The Islamic Ummah should view our enemies; the US/EU globalists, as a greater threat than we would ever aspire to be. The reason is that we do not wish to destroy Islam but simply to isolate it primarily outside Europe."

"Assuming we will ever seek common ground, which is unlikely at best, the problem will be the authentication process. How can the Ummah, the enemy of our enemy, know they are really dealing with a Justiciar Knight and not a CIA or EU agent? How can it be proved that the individual seeking to become a proxy for the deployment of nuclear/radiological/biological/chemical weapon(s) isn’t an undercover agent working for the US or a Western European country’s intelligence?"

The difference between an agent and a Justiciar Knight is that the latter will be willing to make a great sacrifice for the purpose of proper validation. Now what kind of sacrifice would be great enough to remove all doubt that the candidate is not a EU/US agent? A Justiciar Knight is willing to martyr himself for the cause while a EU/US agent will not be willing to sacrifice much. The entity should demand that the alleged Justiciar Knight in question surgically remove his penis and testicles and/or execute a fixed number of civilian children."

[Manifesto, {page 960 (of pdf file)]


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This was terror not to fight Islamists, but to win their trust - in order to reach an accommodation?

This may be a European idea of Conservative/Rightwing - but it certainly is not an American idea of Conservative/Rightwing!

1 posted on 07/25/2011 7:51:44 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix

we do not wish to destroy Islam
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wow.

and all his time planning, writing 1500 pages,
he never realized his actions would accomplish
the exact OPPOSITE of what he claims he wants?

the liberal government will be strengthened,
immigration will be increased.
Islam will become more entrenched.


2 posted on 07/25/2011 7:59:21 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: drpix

So .... right wing in the Nazi model? Racial purity, et al?


3 posted on 07/25/2011 8:01:01 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: drpix

It’s the Arabic concept of alliances, enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I’ve heard that the leftists and Islamacists have formed alliances to try and eliminate Christianity and Judaism.

If they become successful at that, they would turn around and try and eliminate each other until somebody wins.

Good times.


4 posted on 07/25/2011 8:02:17 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: drpix

I suggest not quoting this evil SOB. He deserves to die in obscurity, although this is unlikely to happen.


5 posted on 07/25/2011 8:09:44 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: drpix

So “in his world” he gave himself the choice of killing 100 innocents OR cutting off his penis and testicles??

Some brave knight - he chose the selfish way. Any of those families would have provided the best, sharpest knives.


6 posted on 07/25/2011 8:12:50 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: drpix

Nuts.


7 posted on 07/25/2011 8:14:20 AM PDT by ZULU ( Perry is a RINO in Drag)
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To: drpix
Euromanson.

He has the same knack as old Charlie for stringing together a bunch of words that sound like deep thoughts, but are actually just well-organized dipshit blatherings.

Maybe he can make an album with a Beach Boy too.

8 posted on 07/25/2011 8:14:31 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: drpix

Why pay any attention to a schizophrenic’s writings?

It will come out eventually that’s what he has just like the Unabomber whose writings he cribbed from.


9 posted on 07/25/2011 8:14:54 AM PDT by vrwc54
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To: reaganaut1

Can’t guarantee the veracity of this, but I read somewhere on FR that he faces 21 years. No DP, of course.


10 posted on 07/25/2011 8:16:16 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: reaganaut1
So, you prefer the leftist media lies - of who he is & why he did it - used to target American Conservatives, to the truth (revealed in his own words)?

Well, I don't and I won't (stop quoting the SOB)

11 posted on 07/25/2011 8:18:27 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix

I was watching the news on TV of Norwegians placing flowers and I didn’t see a single person who looked like a Muslim doing so.


12 posted on 07/25/2011 8:19:32 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Don't Call My Bluff")
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To: drpix

The news, a few minutes ago, just reported that the shoooter was “against” Islam and Muslims. Typical MSM, report what fits their agenda.


13 posted on 07/25/2011 8:20:40 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: MestaMachine

ping to last paragraph of excerpted Manifesto (and first comment) you may not have seen quoted yet.

Chris Plante (radio) just now reading from news report (don’t have source). Plante said murderer

listened to trance music; planned to celebrate with wine and “two highclass model whores I intend to rent for the mission.”


14 posted on 07/25/2011 8:21:13 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: drpix
So let's see here....

He hates the U.S. and wants to reach an accommodation with Islam through an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" alliance.

Sounds like a lot of leftists I know of.

15 posted on 07/25/2011 8:21:44 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: drpix

This guy sounds like a Nazi Symp. Hardly “Right-wing”.

I guess this time they intend to make yet ANOTHER deal with the Islamofascist to rule the world. What is it with Europeans and their love affair with Genocidal ideologies.
Whether Nazism or Islamofascism. It should be no surprise to anyone that EU would feel a kindredship with Islam.


16 posted on 07/25/2011 8:25:58 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: theDentist
but I read somewhere on FR that he faces 21 years.

Yeah, I read that 21 years is the maximum sentence in Norway. ...for any crime. If that is indeed the case, he could've deployed a nuke in Oslo killing hundreds of thousands and still made it out of prison (if he survived the blast) by the time he reached 53.

17 posted on 07/25/2011 8:28:25 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: drpix

Guy is just as crazy as Loughner - a tad bit more coherent - but in the end just as crazy.


18 posted on 07/25/2011 8:30:06 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: drpix

You should pass this along to Rush and the rest. The fact that he laid out in his manifesto that killing children would be his means of proving his sincerity to the Muslim world should be spread around more widely (the MSM sure as hell won’t do so)


19 posted on 07/25/2011 8:31:23 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

And considering the number of dead (revised down to 74 now)... well, there’s bound to be a few folks serving time related to one of them. So he’ll be in protective custody forever.


20 posted on 07/25/2011 8:31:37 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: drpix

I have heard from one source here that the youth on the island were possibly muslims. Anyone else hear this? I doubt it’s true because it would have been big news.


21 posted on 07/25/2011 8:32:03 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: Marty62

The number one search on German Yahoo today is “Hope Solo”, the goalie for the US women’s soccer team.


22 posted on 07/25/2011 8:32:38 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper ("Don't Call My Bluff")
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To: thouworm

Yeh. I compared the trancing out stuff earlier to Loughner.


23 posted on 07/25/2011 8:34:34 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: drpix

Who cares what this numbnut thinks?


24 posted on 07/25/2011 8:35:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RadiationRomeo

No. They were the youth wing of the left Labour Party.


25 posted on 07/25/2011 8:36:33 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: drpix
"Under these circumstances, the PCCTS, Knights Templar will for the future consider working with the enemies of the EU/US hegemony such as Iran (South Korea is unlikely), al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab or the rest of the devout fractions of the Islamic Ummah with the intention for deployment of small nuclear, radiological, biological or chemical weapons in Western European capitals and other high priority locations."

It's as if he was invented from a McVeigh template.

26 posted on 07/25/2011 8:37:57 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: drpix

Don’t try to make sense of it.
The guy is crazy.


27 posted on 07/25/2011 8:42:23 AM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: MestaMachine; drpix

Plante said murderer listened to trance music; planned to celebrate with wine and “two high class model whores I intend to rent prior to the mission.”

source for Chris Plante material he read during radio program:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/father-shocked-at-sons-norway-rampage/story-fn6bfkm6-1226101585740


28 posted on 07/25/2011 8:42:42 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: Marty62
"This guy sounds like a Nazi Symp... I guess this time they intend to make yet ANOTHER deal with the Islamofascist to rule the world."

Here's an AlJazeer article, that while predictably, crying about the killer's manifesto being anti-Islamic, notice the headline:

"A manifesto for a Muslim-free Europe, an Infidel-free Middle East" ( LINK)

29 posted on 07/25/2011 8:48:17 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix
Jared Loughner in liederhosen.
30 posted on 07/25/2011 8:50:59 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." - Bertrand de Jouvenel des Ursins)
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To: mylife

They’ve put him in solitary for four weeks while they investigate his claim that there are two more cells out there.

Who knows if he’s telling the truth? In any event, he needs to be put away in a dark place for the rest of his life. We don’t need to hear another word of his evil rants. He should just disappear.


31 posted on 07/25/2011 8:52:19 AM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: thouworm

also from source in post 28:

“Hiring a prostitute was part of his preparation for Friday’s atrocity. “I will probably arrange that just before or after I attend my final martyr’s mass in Frogner Church,” he wrote.”
~~~~~~~~~~

Frogner Church -—

The world’s first dragqueen getting married in a church [Frogner Church]!

“Lovely Terje Schröder gets his Italian hunk Paolo Tucci in a wedding in Frogner church in the posh part of Oslo, Norway.

The minister was Einar Gelius who held a warm and loving wedding ceremony in the name of God! Best of luck to Terje and Paolo!

The wedding takes place in Frogner Church, Saturday September 4, 5 PM [2010], Oslo, Norway. Due to security reasons press that wants to be present needs accreditation”

http://www.gaylife24.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=470&Itemid=183


32 posted on 07/25/2011 8:53:17 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: drpix

Tried to look up “justiciar” and one of the sites talking about it seems to be in North Korea? Strange?

http://www.chronicle.su/news/the-justiciar-knights-europes-tea-party/

The site is in English and mentions the Tea Party and this idiot in Oslo.

Who is behind this mess?


33 posted on 07/25/2011 8:55:23 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: drpix

Hmm, who else has sought to be the friend of islam?
Oh yeah, the usurper in the White House.
Just as delusional.


34 posted on 07/25/2011 8:56:37 AM PDT by TheConservativeParty (PALIN 45 The cure for "meet the new boss, same as the old boss.")
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To: thouworm

The logic of a madman. The progressive irrationality in his thought process grew more outrageous as he imagined further and further into the future.


35 posted on 07/25/2011 9:00:21 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Guns don't kill people, the obama administration does. (Gunwalker Ping List))
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To: All
Many have asked if he was an anti-Islamic Crusader, "why didn't he target Muslims rather than Norwegians?" Here'a another excerpt from his manifesto:
Authentication process when acquiring nuclear/biological/chemical weapons from the enemies of our enemies

There might come a time when we, the PCCTS, Knights Templar will consider to use or even to work as a proxy for the enemies of our enemies. This might be an option if we feel that conventional approaches are fruitless or if the intelligence agencies/system protectors working for the Western European regimes successfully manage to neutralise our long term efforts to liberate our countries.

Under these circumstances, the PCCTS, Knights Templar will for the future consider working with the enemies of the EU/US hegemony such as Iran (South Korea is unlikely), al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab or the rest of the devout fractions of the Islamic Ummah with the intention for deployment of small nuclear, radiological, biological or chemical weapons in Western European capitals and other high priority locations. Justiciar Knights and other European Christian martyrs can avoid the scrutiny normally reserved for individuals of Arab descent and we can ensure successful deployment and detonation in the location of our choice.

Breivik Manifesto, p.959 -LINK (down also on Washington-Post site<.a>

This excerpt appears just before the original excerpt of this post/thread and gives another motive for the killer "proving" himself thrust worthy to possible Islamic allies. And tells us why he did not target Muslims.

36 posted on 07/25/2011 9:30:15 AM PDT by drpix
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things to do 1)cut off own penis 2) kill children 2)martyr self.

ummmm....he “forgot” to do 2 of these, yes?

what a freaking putz


37 posted on 07/25/2011 9:36:57 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: drpix

I guess in the largest sense he is crazy, but he is in no way irrational. He’s rather ruthless and coldly calcuating, in the manner of an accomplished serial killer. Medieval in a Vlad the Impaler kind of way - he sees the problem, but his methods are way out of bounds.


38 posted on 07/25/2011 9:42:10 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Texas Fossil

???

This is the strangest thing in the world.


39 posted on 07/25/2011 9:55:30 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: RadiationRomeo
The summer camp is used to indoctrinate future leaders of the Labour Party of Norway, i.e. the Youth Movement of the Labour Party. On the day before the shooting, there had been a pro-Palestinian rally.

Jew-hate exposed on socialist youth camp on eve of massacre.
40 posted on 07/25/2011 10:19:06 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: little jeremiah

It is obvious this goober did not act alone. Now the Question needing answered, who encouraged/helped him?

Civi’s don’t built bombs without “professional” help. This one worked.

He said in the manifesto that they organized in London? May be true or may not.

He expresses some sympathy toward “some” Muslims and encourages dialog with them. (not good or bad on the face, but don’t expect honesty).

What does this do to the alignment of Muzzies and the “Left”. It has been coming for a while, is this another manifestation?

He is not Christian by his own admission, but expresses desire to keep Christian traditions of the West.

STRANGE!


41 posted on 07/25/2011 10:20:17 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Elendur

Most of the 1500 pp were quotes from others. From what I’ve read here, he wrote about 150pp.


42 posted on 07/25/2011 10:26:58 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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... he is in no way irrational. He’s rather ruthless and coldly calcuating, in the manner of an accomplished serial killer. Medieval in a Vlad the Impaler kind of way -...

Agreed. Brevik is not attempting to win the trust of the Islamists or reach an accomodation. He clearly identifies the Islamists as an age old enemy.

Here's the full paragraph with white space added to facilitate reading:

"The obvious challenge is the fact that the Islamic Ummah, aka “International Islamic Front for Jihad against Jews and Crusaders” and PCCTS, Knights Templar (representing the International Crusader front against Jihadi imperialism) have conflicting goals.

Not only are we arch enemies in a war which stretches back 1400 years to the day when the warlord, Muhammad’s, forces first started to massacre Jews and Christians in the western Jihadi front.

They wish to conquer all Christian European lands and forcefully convert us while we wish to deport all Muslims from Christian territory and isolate them.

Regardless of these obvious conflicts, they should understand that we are not imperialists in contrary to the US/EU globalists who seek to maintain the Islamic puppet regimes and force the European way on them.

The Islamic Ummah should view our enemies; the US/EU globalists, as a greater threat than we would ever aspire to be. The reason is that we do not wish to destroy Islam but simply to isolate it primarily outside Europe."
43 posted on 07/25/2011 10:37:41 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: Texas Fossil

From what I have seen over the years the Norwegian white natioanlist extremists are not Christian but are instead devout Odonists.


44 posted on 07/25/2011 10:44:19 AM PDT by RadiationRomeo (Step into my mind and glimpse the madness that is me)
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To: RadiationRomeo

What do devout Odonists believe or practice?


45 posted on 07/25/2011 10:50:56 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: drpix

So Breivik feels by killing a bunch of Norweigan kids that he somehow authenticates himself with the Ummah. It sounds like he wants them to know he’s serious so they’ll turn around and leave Europe voluntarily. If this guy were a real Knight he’d get serious about attacking and driving out those he wants gone. In that fashion alone he’d authenticate himself rather than pursuing some cockeyed theory.

Breivik occassionally sounds coherent but then he just takes off on crazy tangents like this.


46 posted on 07/25/2011 11:03:36 AM PDT by bereanway
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To: drpix

Don’t hang on these words of his. I’m sure his manifestos contain tons of contradictions and inconsistencies.


47 posted on 07/25/2011 11:08:21 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: Free Vulcan; drpix; All
... he is in no way irrational. He’s rather ruthless and coldly calcuating, in the manner of an accomplished serial killer. Medieval in a Vlad the Impaler kind of way -...

Agreed. Brevik is not attempting to win the trust of the Islamists or reach an accomodation. He clearly identifies the Islamists as an age old enemy.

Here's the full paragraph with white space added to facilitate reading:

"The obvious challenge is the fact that the Islamic Ummah, aka “International Islamic Front for Jihad against Jews and Crusaders” and PCCTS, Knights Templar (representing the International Crusader front against Jihadi imperialism) have conflicting goals.

Not only are we arch enemies in a war which stretches back 1400 years to the day when the warlord, Muhammad’s, forces first started to massacre Jews and Christians in the western Jihadi front.

They wish to conquer all Christian European lands and forcefully convert us while we wish to deport all Muslims from Christian territory and isolate them.

Regardless of these obvious conflicts, they should understand that we are not imperialists in contrary to the US/EU globalists who seek to maintain the Islamic puppet regimes and force the European way on them.

The Islamic Ummah should view our enemies; the US/EU globalists, as a greater threat than we would ever aspire to be. The reason is that we do not wish to destroy Islam but simply to isolate it primarily outside Europe."
48 posted on 07/25/2011 11:20:03 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

OOPS ... sorry for the double post ... not quite certain how that happened.


49 posted on 07/25/2011 11:22:43 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: algernonpj

The idea of a Muslim land for Muslims and a Christian land for Christians is not my way of thinking, but it’s not without precedent, or sure. Standard European thought for centuries IMO.

He is correct that the Globalists have changed that and brought in the Muslims to European countries to bring chaos and anarchy and weaken their national will. Not an uncommon practice in history of conquerors and rulers, which the Globalists try to be. They know Islam doesn’t assimilate and they assume they can subdue Europe and not get eaten themselves.

His solution to that problem is horrific and barbaric even if he correctly points out the imperialistic motives of the Globalists. It isn’t without precedent though. Talk of mutilating oneself to prove loyalty and killing children to snuff out the future leadership of your opponent is radical in our society. Historically though it’s not so radical and used to varying degrees in the past. Hence my Vlad the Impaler reference. These tactics are quite common in mafia organizations to varying degrees.

You get past the horror and you realize this guy is not Jared Loughner. Crazy, but a very high functioning crazy, hard core, dedicated, and competent. That is obvious by the sophistication and discipline that he pulled this off with. Now it seems he’s part of a group. If they are half as competent I’d be worried.


50 posted on 07/25/2011 11:26:54 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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