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Four Questions For Obama’s 14th Amendment Supporters
godfather politics ^ | 22nd of July, 2011 | Jerry Bowyer

Posted on 07/25/2011 7:59:12 AM PDT by shield

Bill Clinton recently revealed that if he were in office now that he would “without hesitation” use the 14th Amendment to justify ignoring the congressional debt limit. He was less clear about whether he thought it was constitutional, claiming that he would force the courts to rule on the issue. Here’s how the former president framed his argument:

“I think the Constitution is clear and I think this idea that the Congress gets to vote twice on whether to pay for [expenditures] it has appropriated is crazy… [Lifting the debt ceiling] is necessary to pay for appropriations already made.”

This idea is the latest mutation of the outbreak of Presidential Gigantism that has afflicted the American left. The vaccine is found in Article 1 of the Constitution.

“The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States…”

If the decision to add something to the budget in order to “provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States” automatically includes borrowing money to do it, then why are they separate in the text of the constitution? Why is spending in section 7, but borrowing and taxing in section 8? For that matter why is borrowing separated from taxing power if it’s all automatically included? Why does the text of the Constitution explicitly distinguish between taxes imposed “to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare”?

Mr. Former President, does it depend on what your definition of “and” is?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 14thamendment; bhofascism; debtceiling; democrats; liberalfascism; noauthority; obama
There is no authority given in the 14th Amendment to the executive branch.
1 posted on 07/25/2011 7:59:17 AM PDT by shield
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To: shield

Then the 14th gives the President the authority to declare war and borrow money to pay for it.

Why are we paying congressmen when they have no constitutional job to do?

According to Obama and Clinton the boiled down Constitution says - The President may do what he sees fit.


2 posted on 07/25/2011 8:03:38 AM PDT by DManA
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To: shield
This is a really dumb idea.

If Obama tried this, the Supreme Court would clearly find it to be unconstitutional, after the time it took to get the issue to the Supreme Court.

That means that all of the US debt issued during the time that Obama exercised this approach would be invalid.

Talk about ruining the US AAA rating, that would surely do it.

3 posted on 07/25/2011 8:03:46 AM PDT by LOC1 (Let's pick the best, not settle for a compromise.)
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To: shield

There’s a hidden clause in the 14th amendment that says quite clearly that it is to have the opposite effect of the Magna Carta. Power is given to the King instead of taken away.


4 posted on 07/25/2011 8:06:02 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: shield

There’s a hidden clause in the 14th amendment that says quite clearly that it is to have the opposite effect of the Magna Carta. Power is given to the King instead of taken away.


5 posted on 07/25/2011 8:06:14 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: LOC1

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6 posted on 07/25/2011 8:07:18 AM PDT by Beaten Valve
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To: shield
" There are only two types of evil greed: greed for coercive power and greed for the UNEARNED. Power-lusters and looters use the term greed against producers to cover up their evil greed." - (source unknown)
7 posted on 07/25/2011 8:07:50 AM PDT by Baynative
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To: shield
And we should believe Bill Clinton as a Constitutional authority because ......

Why, exactly?

8 posted on 07/25/2011 8:08:11 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: LOC1

It would be at the supreme court within days...


9 posted on 07/25/2011 8:08:46 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: shield

Does anyone besides me find this comment on the part of a past president a bit inappropriate? Obama should tell him to STFU with public comments.


10 posted on 07/25/2011 8:13:59 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: shield

Impeachable offense.


11 posted on 07/25/2011 8:15:42 AM PDT by kjo
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To: blackdog
Of course....however, W wondered the same thing. W went to the UN to give a speech...and who was waiting there in the hallway for him...bubba boy...W commented 'man doesn't this cat have anything better to do?' W also said when it was over for him it'd be over and he was looking forward to those days being over for good...yet, here was bubba boy still trying to be in the mix.
12 posted on 07/25/2011 8:19:57 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: DManA
According to Obama and Clinton the boiled down Constitution says - The President may do what he sees fit.

That's not correct and you know it. According to them, the Constitution say that "The President may do what he sees fit, but only if he is a Democrat."

Please get your facts straight. :>)

13 posted on 07/25/2011 8:20:36 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: shield
Clinton's Criminal Past and people are still listening to the Thug..The Criminals all work together..I thought we got rid of this rapist and murderer when his time was up in Washington..

http://www.clintonmemoriallibrary.com/clintcrimefamily.html

14 posted on 07/25/2011 8:20:50 AM PDT by PLD
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To: blackdog

Some former presidents never go away. Bill Clinton never went away, Jimmy Carter never quite went away..............


15 posted on 07/25/2011 8:21:28 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: kjo

It’s not the first impeachable offense...there is now a list of them...this could be the final one, if he is stupid enough to do it.


16 posted on 07/25/2011 8:21:41 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: blackdog

Tell Clinton to shut up? Obama needs Clinton to explain his actions every now and then when he gets in over his head. Which is becoming more and more frequently.


17 posted on 07/25/2011 8:27:09 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: DManA
Then the 14th gives the President the authority to declare war and borrow money to pay for it.

Yup, and that is what Billey Boy thinks. The war is the communists in Washington at war with it's people. He believes it. This whole Washington thing needs to be downsized or completely replaced. All hail King Obama, the communists black Muslim and his communists empire.

18 posted on 07/25/2011 8:27:20 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: kjo

“Impeachable offense.”

Maybe Willie would like to whip out his pocket Constitution and explain the sections that cover impeachment to Barry :)


19 posted on 07/25/2011 8:30:28 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: blackdog

I think 0 is listening to Clinton and Clinton is out to destroy 0. This “change the goal posts at the last minute to destroy the deal” is the exact same move Clinton pulled in 1995. I think Clinton is egging on 0 to commit political suicide as pay back for beating Hillary in 2008


20 posted on 07/25/2011 8:32:36 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving politicians more tax money is like giving addicts free drugs to cure their addiction)
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To: Ancesthntr

Are you sure Republicans are even legal under the constitution? Let’s ask Kagan.


21 posted on 07/25/2011 8:34:24 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Terry Mross

HA HA HA .... you are joking, aren’t you? zero has ALWAYS been way over his head. He is a crack smoking mule...


22 posted on 07/25/2011 8:35:07 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: MNJohnnie

That’s why zero takes no advise from bubba boy...


23 posted on 07/25/2011 8:36:43 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: MNJohnnie
Internals within the DNC show Hillary kicking Obama's ass in a primary challenge for 2012.

The DNC is in a lockdown mess of biblical proportion.

24 posted on 07/25/2011 8:37:05 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: MNJohnnie
Both of these thugs are working for the Bildebergs and both are out to destroy America..Clinton tried but his raping sprees got the better of him..so they had to bring in the idiot from Chicago to do the rest it has taken him and his Jew killer puppet master just two years to do this much destruction to our country give them more time and we will all be on soup lines and deending on them to feed us..then comes the implants in our foreheads or hands so they can keep tabs..That one won't happen to me I would die first....
25 posted on 07/25/2011 8:44:13 AM PDT by PLD
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To: shield

This is coming soon ..

http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/cstmny.html


26 posted on 07/25/2011 8:45:39 AM PDT by PLD
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To: PLD

It would go to the SCOTUS quickly, which is happily in on the treason along with the CIA, FBI, NSA, etc. So go figure the out come.


27 posted on 07/25/2011 8:57:17 AM PDT by Waco (Nominate Palin or forget 2012 you lost)
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To: PLD

Since, 2006 when the commie pelosi became speaker...everything was laid out so we are looking at a longer period of time...


28 posted on 07/25/2011 9:00:05 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: shield

I guess that means Clinton would have been impeached twice.


29 posted on 07/25/2011 9:00:49 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: shield

I know he’s always been in over his head. I meant he needs Clinton every now and then when media attempts to cover for him don’t work.


30 posted on 07/25/2011 9:01:26 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: PLD
UNDERSTANDING ‘THE MARK OF THE BEAST’ (SYSTEM) $$$ THE MARK

There are many kinds of marks. The branding and marking of cattle shows ownership and in that sense the mark is here used. The right hand represents all manual labor (Job 40:14) while the forehead is emblematical of mental and intellectual work. (Ezek. 3:8-9) Whether rich or poor, men must labor with brawn or brain in order to acquire money, the possession of which in some one of its many forms is necessary in order to BUY AND SELL.

When the entire desire and energy of a man, either in his mental or physical labors, is to acquire money and with that as the goal of his life such a one has received the mark of the beast. Such men have a price and are subject to bribery. If the inducement is sufficient they would sell their own souls to acquire the wealth that this beast can give, for they are his, having received the mark. Men and Women throughout the ages have received the MARK OF THE BEAST.

31 posted on 07/25/2011 9:08:41 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: shield; All
 

 

32 posted on 07/25/2011 9:17:50 AM PDT by potlatch (They that sow the wind shall reap the whirlwind......)
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To: shield

>>He is a crack smoking mule...

I always thought of him as a Judas goat...


33 posted on 07/25/2011 11:13:16 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov
Judas was part Idumean and part Judah...where as the other disciples were pure Judahites. Zero is a pure mongrel...a crack smoking mongrel...
34 posted on 07/25/2011 11:22:12 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: shield

A “Judas Goat” is a goat that has been trained to mingle with livestock animals, and act as a herd leader, including leading the livestock to slaughter.


35 posted on 07/25/2011 3:43:06 PM PDT by oblomov
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