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Report: China Was Testing for EMP Attack on Taiwan
Commentary Magazine ^ | 7/25/11 | Seth Mandel

Posted on 07/25/2011 5:52:44 PM PDT by Nachum

According to a declassified 2005 report released last week, China had been testing the effects of an electromagnetic pulse attack–the detonation of a nuclear device at high altitude to maximize the area affected by the EMP–possibly meant for Taiwan. According to the report, China was actually testing two kinds of nuclear blasts and the effects the resulting radiation would have on humans. (China was testing them on animals, which experienced “high mortality rates.”) The point of an EMP attack (all nuclear explosions result in an EMP), however, is to disrupt the electronics devices within range of the blast.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; emp; report; testing
So that's why my cell phone went dead.
1 posted on 07/25/2011 5:52:51 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Did China actually do airbursts?


2 posted on 07/25/2011 6:17:53 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: Nachum
Good novel about the effects of an EMP attack on the US.


3 posted on 07/25/2011 6:18:21 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Lazamataz

They would have to be careful or they could do damage to themselves. Or, maybe they don’t care.


4 posted on 07/25/2011 6:25:18 PM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: Nachum

Hewre is PDF to report of testing: http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB351/Doc011.PDF


5 posted on 07/25/2011 6:35:03 PM PDT by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: SuziQ

great book


6 posted on 07/25/2011 6:40:34 PM PDT by KingLudd
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To: SuziQ

I will second this suggestion!!


7 posted on 07/25/2011 7:00:01 PM PDT by plewis1250 (The pecking order: Christian, American, Conservative, Republican)
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To: PghBaldy

Interesting... thanks for the link.


8 posted on 07/25/2011 7:49:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: Nachum
If China is stupid enough to use EMP or nukes on Taiwan, then Japan and South Korea will become nuclear powers in days or weeks.

Cheers!

9 posted on 07/25/2011 8:27:11 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: SuziQ

Excellent book.


10 posted on 07/25/2011 9:20:42 PM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Lazamataz

“Did China actually do airbursts?”

If they had done an airbursts the whole world would know about it in short order. A nuclear air-burst is not exactly an easy thing to hide.


11 posted on 07/25/2011 11:32:54 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise
If they had done an airbursts the whole world would know about it in short order. A nuclear air-burst is not exactly an easy thing to hide.

Well.... they could have done it at night, when it was cloudy.... and if they covered the bomb in stealth materials, why.... nobody might have noticed....and, um, also, there might have been two huge balloon 'hands' that, um......well, if they made them look like giant condors.... um...... you know, there's ummmmm like..... errrr

12 posted on 07/25/2011 11:37:49 PM PDT by Lazamataz (If you pet a tiny goose, you will feel a little down.)
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To: grey_whiskers

An EMP attack could easily knock out both South Korea and Japan, and most of these United States.

Our growing dependence upon electronic technology has made us extremely vulnerable:

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/522421-timothy-d-naegele/44369-emp-attack-only-30-million-americans-survive


13 posted on 07/25/2011 11:40:55 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Yeah, I think I need to read it again.


14 posted on 07/26/2011 12:00:21 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Monorprise

Only for a little while; we just have to get guns and then set up some easy enough radio system from the past and we’ll be just set. Besides, this country is loaded with techies that can easily create their own cell phones and other gadgets.


15 posted on 07/26/2011 2:54:15 AM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: grey_whiskers; Nachum
9 posted on Monday, July 25, 2011 10:27:11 PM by grey_whiskers: “If China is stupid enough to use EMP or nukes on Taiwan, then Japan and South Korea will become nuclear powers in days or weeks. Cheers!”

I don't agree with you on Japan, given current Japanese politics as well as their longstanding anti-nuclear position. There's no question about their technical capabilities to go nuclear, but mustering the political will to become a nuclear power would take a very long time for Japan and I am not convinced an EMP attack by mainland China on what they consider a “rebellious province” would do it. The issue of territorial integrity resonates with a lot of Asians in ways that it does not for Americans.

South Korea is a whole different story. While South Koreans do have an aggressive and seriously problematic leftist element to their politics, serious hostilities by China against any of its neighbors would be regarded as a “green light” to North Korea to stop saber-rattling and actually pull the saber out of its sheath to use it. In other words, a military attack by China on its neighbors poses a direct threat to South Korea no matter what the Chinese say, since I'm not convinced the North Korean dictatorship is really under the control of anybody, even the Chinese. I think South Korea has the political will to go nuclear in a short period of time out of a belief that it needs to defend itself, especially if President Obama is re-elected and the South Koreans think they can no longer rely on the United States for defense.

16 posted on 07/26/2011 3:40:42 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: phormer phrog phlyer

Why would they care. We common citizens will be taken down one way or another anyway, sooner or later. Poisonous food, dangerous transportation, you name it...


17 posted on 07/26/2011 6:34:43 AM PDT by Phoebe From China (I believe we've arrived at another quintessential "Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock" moment.)
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To: grey_whiskers
You cannot go from nothing to weaponized nukes in days or weeks or even months no matter how technologically advanced you are. It doesn't happen overnight.
18 posted on 07/26/2011 7:38:54 AM PDT by ravager
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To: Nachum; Mr. Silverback; cripplecreek; NoLibZone; Lucky9teen; Pete; bicyclerepair; apillar; ...

Pinging the Agenda 21 thread. Please let me know if you want to be on or off this list!

This is really making me think.

Nachum, the tests referred to in your article were from 2005. And the informatin about them is being released now. Could that mean that something has occurred that necessitates the release of this information? Who released it? Why? Do they think the danger has lessened or increased? Does the fact of the release of the info decrease or increase the danger?

It seems to me that having it released is somehow GOOD for us because it shows restraint (for whatever reason) on the part of the Chinese. In other words, conditions have not been optimal for them to “do the deed.”

The release is also good news for us, because when plans of attack become widely known, the enemy (us, to them) have a chance to prepare.

IMHO it also perhaps means that for the Prayer Warriors among us, the info release is a proof that some of our prayers petitioning the Lord to intercede have worked over the past 6 years to forestall this type of event. (Glory to God for all good things!) Perhaps the release of the info is to wake up our brothers and sisters who yet remain asleep and in denial of danger.

However despite any good news of the fact of the release, it does tangibly show Chinese intent to attack, and the very serious need for all freedom loving people everywhere to be vigilant and prepare physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually for the danger that could be facing us.

Prayer Warriors who read this, I believe we MUST continue at our posts before the altar of God!


19 posted on 07/26/2011 3:29:45 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: ravager
You cannot go from nothing to weaponized nukes in days or weeks or even months no matter how technologically advanced you are. It doesn't happen overnight.

Who says that they are starting from nothing?

If Red China has working nuclear blueprints courtesy of the damnable traitor Bill Clinton / Hazel O'Leary, maybe Japan managed to acquire them as well? And we know they have nuclear fuel. And would it be *too* difficult for Israel, the U.S., India, France, or the U.K. to slip them a couple o' warheads to tide them over, or provide technical assistance?

Cheers!

20 posted on 07/26/2011 3:33:45 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TEXOKIE

Read “ One Second After “ and stock up on medicine,ammo, and canned goods.


21 posted on 07/26/2011 3:40:29 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: TEXOKIE; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...

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22 posted on 07/26/2011 4:15:15 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: TEXOKIE

The days of sneak attack are long gone. China can’t load a ship without six countries knowing a week ahead of time what is to be loaded on board. The exact same conditions apply to America.

Read this next paragraph and determine the one and only way that China could be certain they “would not provoke an American nuclear assault on China in return.”

“In other words, China was testing a way to knock out any resistance Taiwan or the U.S. could put up against its own attack on Taiwan, and was aiming for an attack that would not provoke an American nuclear assault on China in return. They were not, the report points out, looking to kill any Americans.”

Right, the one and only way that China could be certain they “would not provoke an American nuclear assault in return” is to bring it out and disclose their intentions BEFORE they attack Taiwan. Do it with our full and complete sanctioning. In other words give us a chance to hash it out, get our super secret equipment and personnel off the island, write and rewrite the speeches we are going to give the people explaining our non-action before the truth breaks on the Internet. They wouldn’t want to look like fools to the American voters, would they ?

You’re thinking there’s no way they would do such a thing! Remember in 1999 when they gave away control of the Panama Canal to China? Remember when they tried to swing a deal to lease the abandoned Long Beach Naval Station to COSCO. In the next election, it cost Rep. Duncan Hunter his job for fighting the administration. Do not get the Boss pissed off if you want to keep working here!

My personal opinion is that they will do damn near anything to get the New World Order unwrapped, out of the box, up and running. If that means another million people have to die, oh well, that’s life when you’re at the top looking down on the little people.


23 posted on 07/26/2011 4:29:51 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: Phoebe From China

>>We common citizens will be taken down one way or another anyway, sooner or later.<<

We patriotic, motivated, self reliant, resistor types, uncontrollable, uncommon citizens will be taken down one way or another anyway, sooner or later.

That’s fine with me. I’d much rather die standing up with a rifle in my hands, if need be, than in chains and on my knees.


24 posted on 07/26/2011 4:36:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: grey_whiskers

“Who says that they are starting from nothing?”

I said so. Japan is a signatory of NPT and does not have tested weapon grade fissile material let alone full blown war head, or a missile delivery system. Japan never carried out any nuclear test. There is a VAST difference between having the capability to build them and actually having them. A lot of countries including South Africa, Japan and Germany very much have technological capability to build nuclear weapons and delivery systems.(They don’t need anything from Bill Clinton or India or France) That still does not mean they can build and induct nuclear missiles for military use within weeks or even months. That’s the difference between SA, Germany, Japan and Pakistan, North Korea. Pakistan and North Korea have them built and ready for use. It doesn’t happen overnight.

Beside if Japan wanted nukes they could have built them long time ago. Perhaps even before France and UK got theirs. Japan is culturally and historically averse to possession of nuclear weapons. There is no way anyone could have “slip them a couple”.


25 posted on 07/26/2011 9:42:55 PM PDT by ravager
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To: SuziQ
Excellent book.

Do you remember the Sci-Fi series Dark Angel that ran from 2000-2002? The premise behind the movie's post-apocalyptic setting is that terrorists detonated a nuclear bomb over the center of the US and fried almost everything.

26 posted on 07/26/2011 9:51:48 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: ravager
Beside if Japan wanted nukes they could have built them long time ago. Perhaps even before France and UK got theirs. Japan is culturally and historically averse to possession of nuclear weapons. There is no way anyone could have “slip them a couple”.

We're talking past each other a little bit with that last sentence or two.

Recall that the premise for this conversation is that China has used nukes (either ground/air burst *or* in space, for the EMP) over Taiwan.

Japan has been on the receiving end of nukes (the only time in history they've been used in war) and didn't like it.

They have neither the population to slug it out with China nor the space to go all Russian and do a defense in depth.

So the only deterrent to nukes (once they've been detonated in-theatre) is...other nukes.

I think, in that scenario *only*, someone else might lend Japan a couple working nukes while they put something together.

Here's hoping it *doesn't* become necessary.

27 posted on 07/26/2011 10:17:28 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: B4Ranch; Quix; amom; DLfromthedesert; Alamo-Girl; All

B4, you make some fascinating points and I appreciate reading them. Thank you. You offer much food for thought.We do live in those “interesting times” dont we???

BTW I’m truly not thinking that the Chinese “would do no such thing!” - the situation for whatever reason has not been optimal from their point of view. I believe they would do it in a heartbeat. But they are not in a hurry. As I understand it, in their culture they have the habit of taking the long view of history and making their plans accordingly. I’m just HOPING that opportunity will get away from them because of more Americans, and perhaps other westerners seem to be waking up. (Dear God, please make that true!! Amen)


28 posted on 07/27/2011 4:31:10 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: Quix

This was the thread / you saw it already?


29 posted on 11/22/2011 3:44:54 AM PST by Joya (http://www.angelsonassignment.org/why_aoa.html)
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To: Joya

Hadn’t. Thanks.


30 posted on 11/22/2011 8:00:40 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ping.


31 posted on 12/01/2011 8:53:23 AM PST by Joya (http://www.angelsonassignment.org/why_aoa.html)
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