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Chinese jets chase U.S. surveillance jet over Taiwan Strait
Washington Times ^ | July 25, 2011 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 07/25/2011 6:43:11 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

Two Chinese warplanes intercepted an American spy plane over the tense Taiwan Strait last month in China’s most aggressive challenge to U.S. surveillance flights since a 2001 collision that touched off an international crisis.

According to defense officials, the intercept took place June 29. The two Chinese jets flew from a base in China to head off an Air Force U-2 spy plane over the dividing line in the 100-mile wide Taiwan Strait.

“In general, these reconnaissance flights are conducted in international airspace, as are the PRC [Chinese] intercepts, which happen fairly routinely,” said a Pentagon official familiar with the incident.

“There is no ‘repel’ aspect to them,” he said of reports from Asia that the Chinese jets had “repelled” the U-2 flight during the intercept.

A Pacific Command spokesman declined to provide details of the incident other than to say it occurred June 29 as the Air Force was conducting a routine operation in international airspace in the area of the East China Sea.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; china; foreignpolicy; sr71; taiwan; u2
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1 posted on 07/25/2011 6:43:12 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I was a stroke of brilliance to retire the SR-71, wasn’t it?

The best aircraft that will ever be developed and we mothballed it and now get harassed by Chinese mosquitoes...


2 posted on 07/25/2011 6:48:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

1.5 years left for a war-averse US president about to hit major issues at home.
Expect China to take Taiwan soon - like within weeks.


3 posted on 07/25/2011 6:50:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: freedumb2003

Those Chinese jets probably aren’t much more advance than 70’s era fighters. They never throw anything away.


4 posted on 07/25/2011 6:54:24 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Jet Jaguar; TigersEye

Pei Ping.


5 posted on 07/25/2011 6:55:16 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: ctdonath2

That would be sad. Brave little country only 99 miles from Red China. Most of the world would not raise an eyebrow, they already recognize Taiwan as part of China.... oh wait, so does the US


6 posted on 07/25/2011 6:55:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

We would be well advised not to underestimate the Chinese.


7 posted on 07/25/2011 6:56:23 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: freedumb2003
Who was the president who retired the blackbird--anyone know?
8 posted on 07/25/2011 7:00:54 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ctdonath2
Expect China to take Taiwan soon - like within weeks

I'll take that bet, what will you wager?

9 posted on 07/25/2011 7:02:42 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They harass our planes but we welcome their freighters stuffed full of cheap mercantile crap into our ports.

What’s wrong with this picture?


10 posted on 07/25/2011 7:02:42 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik ("The trouble with internet quotations is you don't know if they are true"-Abraham Lincoln.)
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To: ctdonath2
Expect China to take Taiwan soon - like within weeks.

Highly unlikely, IMO. It's just the kind of thing to tip the world economy into a tailspin. The current Chinese leadership would be in very deep trouble if their economy collapsed.

The rest of the world would only be too happy to have a scapegoat.

11 posted on 07/25/2011 7:02:53 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: GeronL

Technically Taiwan pretty much does also.

Their position is though - the wrong people are in charge.


12 posted on 07/25/2011 7:05:20 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

13 posted on 07/25/2011 7:05:20 PM PDT by cmsgop ( The left always accuses the right for the sins of the left. from FReeper Just Lori, RIP)
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To: freedumb2003
It was a stroke of brilliance to retire the SR-71, wasn’t it?

Satellites were supposed to do it all. Apparently not in some cases. The Chinese Junk fighters aren't ever gonna catch a U2 anyway.
14 posted on 07/25/2011 7:05:38 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Bush the first in 1989.


15 posted on 07/25/2011 7:06:41 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
They harass our planes

We're spying on them, of course they're going to follow us. What would you expect if Chinese surveillance aircraft were flying 50 miles off our coast? Would you expect the USAF not to tail them too?!?

16 posted on 07/25/2011 7:07:26 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: freedumb2003
It was a stroke of brilliance to retire the SR-71, wasn’t it?

Yeah, I know, sadly!

The Blackbird was the most awesome aircraft I ever saw!

17 posted on 07/25/2011 7:09:23 PM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: ctdonath2

>1.5 years left for a war-averse US president about to hit major issues at home.
Expect China to take Taiwan soon - like within weeks.<

They won’t. The oil-rich Spratly Isles means more to them but the smaller ASEAN nations ganged up on China, with a little nudge from the US, and the Chicoms couldn’t make a move because it made them look like idiots in the Philippine media. This all happened within the last week.

The Chicoms are just pissed they were not able to flex their muscles on the Spratly’s , that’s why they did this with Taiwan. It’s nice when you have Filipino in laws who tell these stuff...


18 posted on 07/25/2011 7:11:14 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: MountainDad

As far as this civilian has understood planes can be un-mothballed.

If we’re about to lock horns with a new version of 1980’s Soviet Union, perhaps those should be refilled and put back in the air.


19 posted on 07/25/2011 7:11:56 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It was two SU-27’s (Chinese version) chasing a U-2.

I’m sure not at the same altitude, but that’s still sort of impressive.


20 posted on 07/25/2011 7:15:09 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: MountainDad

>>The Blackbird was the most awesome aircraft I ever saw!<<

So long as we are limited by the laws of physics as we know it within the Earth’s atmosphere, it will never be bested.

It was, quite simply, the most perfect flying craft humans will ever make until there is a fundamental change in physics and our use thereof.


21 posted on 07/25/2011 7:15:20 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: cmsgop

If all their pilots are as capable as Wang, which I suspect they are, then they will lose half their planes and pilots to midair collisions.


22 posted on 07/25/2011 7:16:44 PM PDT by One_American
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The Chinese would be well advised to remember what happened to the last Asian nation that tried to push us out of the Pacific.
23 posted on 07/25/2011 7:16:44 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: Gunslingr3
"What would you expect if Chinese surveillance aircraft were flying 50 miles off our coast? Would you expect the USAF not to tail them too?!?"

Of course.

My point is that the average clueless American buying cheesy ChiCom patio furniture at WalMart doesn't have a clue about the military chess game that is going on off Taiwan.

But they will soon enough.

24 posted on 07/25/2011 7:18:24 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik ("The trouble with internet quotations is you don't know if they are true"-Abraham Lincoln.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Many people do it almost reflexively. I think it’s an aversion to facing the emerging reality that we aren’t going to be the big dog in the meat house much longer. These people are forgetting that they are posting from computers and over network equipment built (and now often designed) in China. They may not yet have technical parity with us, but as the old saying goes “quantity has a quality all its own.” The Chinese are aiming for both. We’d be ill-advised to ignore that.


25 posted on 07/25/2011 7:20:58 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Friendly reminder:

That Asian nation had half our population.

And we had most of the world’s manufacturing capability.

We had best wake up. Soon. Our entire nation seems to be sleepwalking toward a disaster of biblical proportion.

Full of ourselves, right up until the moment it happens.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not bashing my own country.

I’m trying to say “WAKE THE ‘F’ UP!” What exactly about sending what was once referred to as the “Arsenal of Democracy” lock stock and barrel to a huge communist nation of 1.3 billion enterprising communists intent on replacing us, is somehow considered by (anyone) to be a good idea?


26 posted on 07/25/2011 7:22:06 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
But they will soon enough.

You think things will go hot?

27 posted on 07/25/2011 7:24:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (Honk if I'm paying for your car, your mortgage, and your big, fat Greek bailout - mewzilla)
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To: freedumb2003
So long as we are limited by the laws of physics as we know it within the Earth’s atmosphere, it will never be bested.

It was, quite simply, the most perfect flying craft humans will ever make until there is a fundamental change in physics and our use thereof.

Kelly Johnson was an amazing designer, but he had to use a slide rule. We haven't been allowed to see what they have come up with since, but I'm doubtful the SR-71 had no actual successor.

28 posted on 07/25/2011 7:30:54 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
If we’re about to lock horns with a new version of 1980’s Soviet Union, perhaps those should be refilled and put back in the air.

Agreed. I'd love to see them back in the air!

29 posted on 07/25/2011 7:31:12 PM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The Chinese would be well advised to remember what happened to the last Asian nation that tried to push us out of the Pacific.

We'd be well advised to remember that last Asian nation was an industrial midget in comparison, and had a much smaller population. Oh, it also had no nukes...

30 posted on 07/25/2011 7:34:53 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: freedumb2003
It was, quite simply, the most perfect flying craft humans will ever make until there is a fundamental change in physics and our use thereof.

Yep. Flying on the edge of space!

31 posted on 07/25/2011 7:35:34 PM PDT by MountainDad (Support your local Militia)
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To: Gunslingr3; ctdonath2
Expect China to take Taiwan soon - like within weeks

I'll take that bet, what will you wager?

I want some of that action. But with modification: China will go for Taiwan in months vrs weeks, but this year.

This is about timing, possession being 9/10s of the law, and pride.

32 posted on 07/25/2011 7:39:01 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Gunslingr3

>> but I’m doubtful the SR-71 had no actual successor.<<

I think physics limits what could be next.

Just for the heck of it, I found this: http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/funny_flight_stories.asp

:)


33 posted on 07/25/2011 7:41:18 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

The SR-71 was an amazing accomplishment. And yet... it was designed and built based on pretty much 1950’s technology. Part of me just ~has~ to believe that there is something newer, faster and higher that we don’t know about yet.

I sure hope so.


34 posted on 07/25/2011 7:42:39 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: ctdonath2

The ChiComs might be nice and wait until just before Thanksgiving or Christmas to take Taiwan, so 0bama can brush it off and have a big meal with the family in front of the cameras while it all goes down. You know 0bama doesn’t have the gonads to do squat about it.


35 posted on 07/25/2011 7:46:08 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( )))))
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To: Free ThinkerNY
“In general, these reconnaissance flights are conducted in international airspace, as are the PRC [Chinese] intercepts, which happen fairly routinely,” said a Pentagon official familiar with the incident.

Good lord people.....get a grip. Bing up RC-135's. This game has been played for decades.

36 posted on 07/25/2011 7:47:08 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

What Chinese aircraft flies at 70,000 feet?


37 posted on 07/25/2011 7:49:11 PM PDT by mylife (OPINIONS ~ $ 1.00 HALFBAKED ~ 50c)
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To: Ken H

You presume that the Chinese think like you do. That is an old mistake that has proven costly throughout history.


38 posted on 07/25/2011 7:53:40 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
"We would be well advised not to underestimate the Chinese."

Lemme see...

They can ID and "intercept" a P3 or a U2 (both of which are 1950's technology), and folks are supposed to be worried?

Get back to me when they intercept or down a F-16, F-15, F-22, F-35, B1B etc.

The US Defense industry, Pentagon, Chinese and innumerable blogs and "Intelligence" sites like to make a big huff and puff over Chinese capabilities.

It's total and complete BS.

They are decades away from being a threat to US forces in any theater, assuming we stand still.

39 posted on 07/25/2011 7:56:57 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Salvavida
China will go for Taiwan in months vrs weeks, but this year.

I'll take that bet too. What are you willing to wager?

40 posted on 07/25/2011 7:57:52 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: truthguy
Satellites were supposed to do it all. Apparently not in some cases.

Despite what Hollywood tells us, satellites don't have the resolution that a U2 or SR-71 can provide.

41 posted on 07/25/2011 8:00:30 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: ExpatGator
I presume that the Chinese will act in what they believe to be their self interest.
42 posted on 07/25/2011 8:03:48 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: mylife

Just a couple years ago, the PRC shot down a satellite from Earth.


43 posted on 07/25/2011 8:04:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: Mariner

I am reminded of the term “hubris”.


44 posted on 07/25/2011 8:06:48 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: mylife
Wa Hu do!

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45 posted on 07/25/2011 8:08:10 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (The United States Marine Corps, your greatest friend or your worst enemy. YOU choose.)
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To: freedumb2003

“I was a stroke of brilliance to retire the SR-71, wasn’t it?”

The Aurora is much faster.


46 posted on 07/25/2011 8:09:02 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: HereInTheHeartland

>>The Aurora is much faster.<<

We all wish.


47 posted on 07/25/2011 8:10:37 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: mylife

Oh sorry I understand (now) after re-reading your point.

Earlier today I read a different version of this story - which focused on the dividing line between China and Taiwan.

The gist of that story was, the last time the PRC violated the mid-point of the Taiwan Strait was in 1999. The story mentioned the US plane was already out of the area, by the time the ChiCom jets crossed into Taiwan airspace.

The description mentioned something to the effect “obviously at a different altitude” than the American jet.

So while China may have such capability, they did not use it this day. I’d hope our own people presume they can, just to be prudent.


48 posted on 07/25/2011 8:13:20 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First!)
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To: Trod Upon
"These people are forgetting that they are posting from computers and over network equipment built (and now often designed) in China."

Well, other than the fact that all of your post was total and complete BS (I don't know if it was born in lack of knowledge or deliberate, emotional disinformation), that statement is particularly egregious.

Well over 90% of the internet is provided by Cisco, San Jose.

Intel, Sun, AMD and IBM make over 90% of all processors associated with the with the internet.

All design and engineering of those products occurs in the USA.

While almost all manufacturing of their products occurs overseas, a very, very small fraction occurs in China.

Plus, all the tools used in the manufacturing process come from either the USA or Japan.

The Chinese don't have anything to do with the internet or it's associated technologies, inclusive of software.

Dude, get a grip.

49 posted on 07/25/2011 8:14:08 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: gaijin
I’m sure not at the same altitude, but that’s still sort of impressive.

Chicom's SU-27's trying to intercept a Dragon Lady? FAS.org says Flanker flight ceiling 15,280 meters to 18,000 meters Chicom fighters would have to climb to >25,000 meters to catch the Dragon Lady...

50 posted on 07/25/2011 8:15:33 PM PDT by hamboy
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