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Chris Matthews: GOP debt ceiling stand is like apartheid-era South Africa
Daily Caller ^ | 7/25/11 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 07/26/2011 8:14:19 AM PDT by markomalley

South Africa and apartheid, Custer’s Last Stand — those are not exactly great moments in world history. But Chris Matthews says that today’s Tea Party-influenced Republican Party fits in the same category.

On his Monday MSNBC program, Matthews asked the Huffington Post’s Howard Fineman why he thought the GOP was taking a tough stand on the debt ceiling negotiations.

“What’s going on here as I see it is a kind of slow-motion secession,” Fineman said. “This is an ending of the social compact. This is two, three generations worth of agreement about Social Security, about Medicare, about the role of the federal government.”

“The Tea Party people are saying, ‘We want to secede from that society. And the way to do it is to draw the line on spending and taxes, to starve the federal government so that it loses power, so that we aren’t part of the social compact anymore.’ And that’s the real argument that’s going on, and the Congress as an institution is incapable of dealing with that kind of fundamental argument, which given the entitlement age and welfare state age, which is why you have the super committees and super-duper committees and the smaller and smaller ring of people attempting to decide something,” Fineman said.

That evokes images of South Africa during apartheid, Matthews said.

“This sounds like — I spent two years in southern Africa — [it] sounds like what the whites talked about doing,” Matthews said. “Eventually going into some circle, like Custer’s Last Stand against the United States.”

Fineman didn’t go along with the apartheid analogy, but he did say the pushback has materialized because some of the current plans on the table in Congress don’t go far enough in the Tea Party’s view.

“I wouldn’t put a racial tone on it, but I would say that the Congress is not dealing with the fundamental question here,” Fineman said. “They refuse to do it. And they’re not dealing with it now, because both bills, both plans — both the Boehner plan and the Reid plan don’t deal with either entitlements or taxes.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: africa; apartheid; ceiling; debt; debtceiling; democrats; dncmedia; dnctv; enemedia; fascistmedia; liberalfascism; liberalmedia; matthews; mediabias; msnbc; obamedia; racecard; socialistdemocrats; tingle; tingleleg
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They are pulling out all the stops. Next thing: they will directly violate Godwin's Law (oops...I think they've already gone there)
1 posted on 07/26/2011 8:14:22 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Chris Matthews will do or say anything to keep Obama in office. Matthews wants to keep those leg tingles coming.


2 posted on 07/26/2011 8:16:03 AM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on behalf of animals would do so on behalf of the unborn.)
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To: markomalley

I can’t stand that mindless twit.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 8:17:04 AM PDT by Publius Maximus (It was a nice Republic, while it lasted.)
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To: markomalley
So the GOP’s stand on the debt ceiling is racist or something? Sheesh....
4 posted on 07/26/2011 8:17:51 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: markomalley
“The Tea Party people are saying, ‘We want to secede from that society. And the way to do it is to draw the line on spending and taxes, to starve the federal government so that it loses power....

Ok, seems like Matthew's gets it - he's not as dumb as I thought he was.
What's the problem with that? - and don't say it's "racist" - ooops, there he goes, he said it.............

5 posted on 07/26/2011 8:18:18 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: markomalley
Chris Matthews: GOP debt ceiling stand is like apartheid-era South Africa.

So, Chrissy, does that mean if we raise it, we wind up just like the Utopia that is South Africa today?

That alone says, "WHOA NELLY! Shut the front door! We won't be going there."

6 posted on 07/26/2011 8:20:39 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Obama and the Dems - The flash mob raiding the Treasury.)
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To: LottieDah

“Mathews wants to keep those leg tingles coming.”

Maybe that’s where his brain is located.

(One never knows.)

IMHO


7 posted on 07/26/2011 8:21:59 AM PDT by ripley
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To: markomalley

Maybe Ms. Chrissy should put on her finest silk stockings, her finest silk panties and her finest silk dress and go see her lover in person.


8 posted on 07/26/2011 8:23:03 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: markomalley

I think Fineman is right. That is an apt description..


9 posted on 07/26/2011 8:23:29 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Sun-Tzu/Atilla 2012)
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To: markomalley

That man has constipation of the brain and diarrhea of the mouth.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 8:24:58 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
So the GOP’s stand on the debt ceiling is racist or something? Sheesh....

Chrissy is just following Dear Reader's lead -- the TOTUS told him to compare his role in the debt ceiling fiasco to Lincoln freeing the slaves.

11 posted on 07/26/2011 8:25:18 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: markomalley

Much like the media whore he is Matthews is trying to defend his pimp!


12 posted on 07/26/2011 8:25:25 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Posting on FR since 1998 and 100% teleprompter free post as well.)
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To: markomalley

Keep chirping DimLibbies, your idiotic rants are falling on deaf voter ears...


13 posted on 07/26/2011 8:25:46 AM PDT by Fedupwithit ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants" -Albert Camus)
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To: markomalley

Chrissie sounds just like Jesse Jr on another thread. Could it be that Crissie’s maiden name was Jackson?


14 posted on 07/26/2011 8:27:06 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Yes Palin CAN defeat the Obamanable snowman!)
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To: N. Theknow

There’s a whole other subject for debate, the state of South Africa today.

While the legal structure of apartheid is gone, that country is in bad shape. A growing number of productive (mostly white) citizens are emigrating. Crime is rampant. The economy of the counry is arguably worse off than when South Africa faced international sanctions due to apartheid.

South Africa has NOT evolved into a peaceful, multi-racial capitalist country as a result of the end of apartheid.


15 posted on 07/26/2011 8:28:29 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Why was it okay for SENATOR BARACK OBAMA to oppose raising the debt ceiling in 2006?????? Among other things, he called the need to raise the debt ceiling a failure of presidential leadership.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 8:29:47 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: markomalley

We have expected politicians to lie to get elected, and allowed them to get away with it for so long, that we’re surprised when one goes to D.C. and votes the way he promised he’d vote while campaigning. And the democrats really cannot understand nor accept it.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 8:29:54 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: markomalley

Chris Matthews is very possibly the BIGGEST @$$ on the left - and that takes in a LOT of territory!

Everytime he opens his mouth the TV should post a “Donkey Breath” alert.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 8:31:37 AM PDT by ZULU (Crapo, Coburn and Chambliss are a herd of renegade RINOs.)
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To: markomalley
Who watches this spittle laden buffoon?
19 posted on 07/26/2011 8:31:53 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: markomalley
From the Desk of Chris Mathews

Things to do today:

1- Find another deranged, whacked out way to disparage the Tea Party and Republicans so that people on Free Republic will talk about me. Lord knows that having just the WH as an audience has my ratings in the toilet.

2- Get drunk off my a$$ because I am an irrelevant hack.


20 posted on 07/26/2011 8:31:53 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: markomalley
Heading appears incorrect. It should be:

obama's "increase taxes on the rich" stand is like apartheid-era South Africa

21 posted on 07/26/2011 8:32:34 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (The mighty zero, obama,does not warrant the respect necessary for his name to be capitalized.)
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To: markomalley
"Chris Matthews: GOP debt ceiling stand is like apartheid-era South Africa"

Na ya goofy bitch, it's more like the Russian stand at Stalingrad.

22 posted on 07/26/2011 8:33:26 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: markomalley

The Race Card is now a punchline.

So now, “that’s racist” to oppose raising the debt ceiling.


23 posted on 07/26/2011 8:33:52 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: markomalley

Whoa! How’d we get there?


24 posted on 07/26/2011 8:35:34 AM PDT by RichInOC (Chris Matthews says the darndest things.)
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To: markomalley

I want to see a GOP counter attack. A relentless counter attack. Sick of this bs


25 posted on 07/26/2011 8:35:40 AM PDT by sappy
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We are on track to say spend 40T + over the next 10 years and run deficits of over 12T.

These are staggering numbers and the libs are freaking out over cutting a lousy 4T of that, <10%. They are all insane.


26 posted on 07/26/2011 8:35:45 AM PDT by Leto
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Doublethink?


27 posted on 07/26/2011 8:36:52 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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28 posted on 07/26/2011 8:38:17 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: markomalley
And the way to do it is to draw the line on spending and taxes, to starve the federal government so that it loses power,

BINGO!!! We sent the Tea Party to the District of Corruption last Nov to STARVE THE BEAST!!

Congress and most politicians are just like crack addicts. Maybe not when they originally arrive in DC, but it doesn't take them more than one term to become addicted. Important to take our stand right now while 87 of the House are new.
29 posted on 07/26/2011 8:40:39 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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And the way to do it is to draw the line on spending and taxes, to starve the federal government so that it loses power, so that we aren’t part of the social compact anymore.

I would modify that to say that there has to be a reasonable limit to the "social compact". Helping elderly and orphans is one thing. Full blown socialism is another.

30 posted on 07/26/2011 8:40:48 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They're socialists don't call them liberals)
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To: N. Theknow
The Obama regime's policies are like apartheid-era South Africa.

There, fixed it for ya Chris.

31 posted on 07/26/2011 8:43:51 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: markomalley

I’m beginning to think Matthews is not only crazy but dumb as well. What the hell kind of mixed metaphor is Custer’s Last Stand and South African apartheid?! Geez, what a fool.


32 posted on 07/26/2011 8:45:06 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Casey Anthony is guilty as hell)
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To: markomalley

Chris et al are Mugabe’s Zimbabwe west. Racist socialist failure comes from those like him who live in New England..

Perhaps some serious thought should be given to purging those states from the union.


33 posted on 07/26/2011 8:54:47 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ....Flash mobs are trickle down leftwing REDISTRIBUTION))
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To: Dilbert San Diego
There’s a whole other subject for debate, the state of South Africa today.

While the legal structure of apartheid is gone, that country is in bad shape. A growing number of productive (mostly white) citizens are emigrating. Crime is rampant. The economy of the counry is arguably worse off than when South Africa faced international sanctions due to apartheid.

South Africa has NOT evolved into a peaceful, multi-racial capitalist country as a result of the end of apartheid.

SA is following the path of Zimbabwe and Obama would see the US doing the same.

Mugabe’s Madness: A Tyrant Clings to Power

34 posted on 07/26/2011 8:56:58 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: markomalley

“What’s going on here as I see it is a kind of slow-motion secession,”

Be still quivering heart!


35 posted on 07/26/2011 8:58:02 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: markomalley

36 posted on 07/26/2011 9:01:51 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: markomalley

Chris who?


37 posted on 07/26/2011 9:02:11 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: markomalley

If the Tea Party is South African Aparthied, who is playing the role of Robert Mugabe?


38 posted on 07/26/2011 9:04:45 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Well duh.. they elected a socialist community organizer (Nelson Mandela) as president.


39 posted on 07/26/2011 9:08:13 AM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (In 2008, the USA became the UNN: The United States of Nauru)
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To: markomalley

Com’on, Chrissie! It’s a lot more like Dutch Elm disease.

You know it, and I know it.

And that’s a fact, Jack!


40 posted on 07/26/2011 9:09:03 AM PDT by RexBeach (Mr. Obama can't count.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

“South Africa has NOT evolved into a peaceful, multi-racial capitalist country as a result of the end of apartheid.”

No one saw that coming /sarc


41 posted on 07/26/2011 9:11:50 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (As long as the MSM covers for Obama, he will be above the law)
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To: markomalley

I’ve only seen Matthews on youtube, but whenever I do see him, or read anything that comes from his brain, I immediately think of Rush’s spot-on analysis - “liberalism is a mental disorder” - so true.


42 posted on 07/26/2011 9:14:55 AM PDT by Heart of Georgia
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To: markomalley

Orwell (Eric Blair) wrote that in the `30s and `40s socialists used the word `fascist’ to describe so many things they found objectionable that eventually it changed from a noun describing the enemy into a pejorative adjective, e.g. the neighbor’s fascist dog woke me with his barking this morning.
21st century socialists: apartheid, Nazis, fascists, Same thing.
They have become just swear words for them. They don’t shock anymore.


43 posted on 07/26/2011 9:21:29 AM PDT by tumblindice ("I want to make sure the American people aren't hurt." President 0 to La Raza)
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To: Psalm 73
“The Tea Party people are saying, ‘We want to secede from that society. And the way to do it is to draw the line on spending and taxes, to starve the federal government so that it loses power....

Chrissy didn't say that... Howard Fineman did. And, on that point... I agree.

44 posted on 07/26/2011 9:23:11 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Psalm 73
“The Tea Party people are saying, ‘We want to secede from that society. And the way to do it is to draw the line on spending and taxes, to starve the federal government so that it loses power....

Chrissy didn't say that... Howard Fineman did. And, on that point... I agree.

45 posted on 07/26/2011 9:23:28 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: markomalley

CHris AMtthews, and his entire family, his entire hometown, his entire home region, and the entire working class (mostly white) population in his home region all suffer from Stockholm syndrome, and even at these last moments of the hostage takers control of the coin flip between Matthews life or death, Matthews still clings to the hostage takers belief system in a hyper-rationalized escapist fantasy that will allow him to wear his chains gently when the final bullet of US Federal Default comes smashing through his psyche.

I say this with compassion, a quarter of my family are from the region and every single one of them suffer the same Stockholm syndrome. I don’t talk about politics or finances with them, afraid they’ll pull back in revulsion if made to hear the truth, so I stick to subjects that Matthews loves to take refuge in a safe little box, like baseball and the good old days, and the Kennedy clan mystique, and golf , boating , fishing etc.

It’s a sad sight to see a guy with true ambition a what was once pure potential just waste away on the small screen night after night.


46 posted on 07/26/2011 9:23:36 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Psalm 73
"“The Tea Party people are saying, ‘We want to secede from that society. And the way to do it is to draw the line on spending and taxes, to starve the federal government so that it loses power....".

Fineman said this, not Matthews. Matthews is too stupid to have an interesting insight like that.

47 posted on 07/26/2011 9:27:25 AM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: cardinal4

I hope Fineman’s right, but I’m not sure the GOP is that smart.

But I think the Beast may have finally starved itself. The GOP just needs to hold the line.


48 posted on 07/26/2011 9:28:42 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: markomalley
and the Congress as an institution is incapable of dealing with that kind of fundamental argument,

I'm not one to jump on the paranoia train, but this is the third or fourth time (in the past day) I have read or heard that our "system" is incapable of handling this. This is a talking point, and it's freaking terrifying.

We have people who claim to be responsible adults and arbiters of national discourse stating that the American institutions of governance are now out of their league, on a matter as simple as spending money.

For 200+ years, this beautifully crafted system of government solved and/or survived problems of such greater magnitude, that statements of its inefficacy can only be mocked or feared. Because if this "system" is incapable of dealing with this, that means someone is going to start advocating for another one, know what I mean?

49 posted on 07/26/2011 9:29:22 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: markomalley
Crying 'apartheid': Liberals' Last Stand.
50 posted on 07/26/2011 9:29:38 AM PDT by danielmryan
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