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Boehner Plan Faces Rebellion
Wall Street Journal ^ | 07/26/2011 | COREY BOLES And NAFTALI BENDAVID

Posted on 07/26/2011 11:23:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 07/26/2011 5:05:12 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

The leader of a large group of House conservatives said Tuesday he was "confident" there weren't enough GOP lawmakers to pass a plan by Republican House Speaker John Boehner to increase the debt ceiling and reduce the deficit.

Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), who said the Boehner plan didn't cut spending enough, heads a group that includes 178 of the 240 Republican House lawmakers.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehner; bohica; capitulation; debt; debtceiling; debtlimit; default; gop; weeperandweaselshow
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1 posted on 07/26/2011 11:23:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

How about cutting ONE trillion by the end of the year?


2 posted on 07/26/2011 11:25:14 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The House passed Cut, Cap and Balance. That bill is still before the Senate. The Senate has not modified it, nor have they voted on it.

Boehner may fail in his current endeavor with a newer bill, but the GOP passed something that would work. The Democrats are the ones blocking CCB.

The media seems to be focusing on the "GOP block" which is currently causing trouble for Boehner -- the media is doing this so as to paint the GOP as unreasonable trouble-makers who won't allow a solution to pass.

We are not the problem.

3 posted on 07/26/2011 11:27:47 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Plays right into the Democrats hands. “The Republicans were willing to work on a compromise but the fringe tea party kooks and their representatives shut down the government and threw grandma in the street.”


4 posted on 07/26/2011 11:28:02 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: SeekAndFind

I am tired of the GOP thinking that we do not need to make big budget cuts now.

We are borrowing $.42 of every dollar we spend.

An across-the-board, 15% cut of every federal agency and grant would be far more legitimate than Boehner’s proposal.

If we don’t start cutting now then all of these promises of cuts later ring utterly hollow.


5 posted on 07/26/2011 11:29:46 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: SeekAndFind

How in the world can they only find $6B in cuts? That’s pretty much a rounding error.

These people aren’t serious, it’s all politics and that’s why there will be a downgrade.


6 posted on 07/26/2011 11:31:34 AM PDT by brownsfan (I miss the America I grew up in.)
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To: who knows what evil?
How about cutting ONE trillion by the end of the year?

That would be a reasonable dent in it anyway.

Most of what is going on anyway is a fight between those who produce and those who take.

The beltway politicians aren't seeing the money, they are seeing their self promoting politics at stake and the "takers" are petrified at the prospect of losing their power base because of this sensible bill to stop the spending.

An era is close to coming to an end!

7 posted on 07/26/2011 11:32:00 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: ClearCase_guy

RE: The House passed Cut, Cap and Balance. That bill is still before the Senate. The Senate has not modified it, nor have they voted on it.

The Senate BLOCKED Cap, Cut and Balance last week on a party line vote. All Republicans voted for it, and all Democrats voted against it.

See here:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/59661.html


8 posted on 07/26/2011 11:41:45 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: Pan_Yan

Pan Yan What are you a troll? The Tea Party is not fringe, its main steam and patriotic. When did standing up for the US Constitution become fringe? This is a sick ignorant comment.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 11:49:13 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: Exton1
Main Steam?

The reason for the quotes around the comment is because that is what the democrats will say. Sorry to confuse you.

11 posted on 07/26/2011 12:01:23 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Exton1

Pan Yan was saying what the Vhris Matthewses and Wassermans will say ..


12 posted on 07/26/2011 12:13:54 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Sun-Tzu/Atilla 2012)
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To: Maelstorm
Here's one that would scare the the Donkeys and RINOs: the House passes a spending bill for the U.S. government at 2006 levels and no taxes or fee increases. If Harry Reid doesn't like it, send him one for 2005 levels without taxes. Every time Reid balks, cut the budget spending levels back a year.
13 posted on 07/26/2011 12:23:21 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: who knows what evil?

I think one (or more) of the ratings agencies said that unless there is a spending cut of $4 trillion, it’s downgrade time. Why even Boner is oblivious to this is beyond me.


14 posted on 07/26/2011 12:24:09 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Maelstorm
The problem with Boehner’s plan is that it only punts the debate to next year which is fine by me but we get nothing by way of real near term cuts.

The bigger problem is that it immediately increases the debt limit by $1 trillion, which even Boner said today that they'll blow through by April next year. WTF? It's totally out of control.

15 posted on 07/26/2011 12:27:34 PM PDT by kevao
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To: ClearCase_guy

You are wrong.

The Senate voted last week.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 12:31:47 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: SeekAndFind
As Rush mentioned today, the baseline used in all of this figuring is based on previous, stratospheric whack-a-doodle spending for a net result of next to nothing being cut. Flush it.
17 posted on 07/26/2011 12:32:22 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: Pan_Yan

Yes. Thank you for stating the truth succinctly.

Just what do the House Republicans think they can realistically get done?

They control half of Congress. It takes all of Congress, both houses, plus an Executive signature, to enact legislation.

Compromise, in this case, is NOT a dirty word. Take what we can, keep the pressure on, and take both houses next November. That’s all we can realistically hope for.

But realism doesn’t seem to be a word these people understand.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 12:34:44 PM PDT by Jedidah (I'll vote for an earthworm before I'll vote for Obama. So wiggle on in, Rick Perry.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The pole position of Speaker of the House is in play...can y’all say Speaker Cantor...

We will get the balanced budget amendment in 2013, no presidential anything required. There will be a wipe out for Dem senators this election cycle ergo BBA passes the senate in 2013


19 posted on 07/26/2011 12:37:40 PM PDT by Fred (Palin/Bachmann 2012 OR Bachmann/Palin 2012......that is the ticket!!!)
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To: kevao

The credit rating agencies are in the back pocket of Obama and the democrates.....thus their threats to put pressure on......we are watching the “socialists/Marxists” in operationa and that is what this is about.

Boehner was right to say all they want is more money....they want the dbit ceiling raised, whcih means they have more money to spend, though they deny this.

If a credit card company extends me additional credit that does not mean I have more money.....but to the Government it always means just that...and that they can spend more for raising it...and they do!


20 posted on 07/26/2011 12:42:15 PM PDT by caww
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To: SeekAndFind
It doesn't really matter.

There will be a short term 11th hour fix which will lift the debt ceiling and kick the can a little bit further down the road but this will lead to an S&P downgrade (if they're true to their word).

None of the proposals really come close to achieving what the ratings agencies are looking for apart from Coburn's proposal.

21 posted on 07/26/2011 12:42:26 PM PDT by marshmallow (.)
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To: Jedidah

They didn’t vote on the CCB bill. They voted to table it. There has been no vote on the bill.


22 posted on 07/26/2011 12:50:57 PM PDT by lonevoice (Life is short. Make fun of it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All Boehner needs is to cut so little that the Democrats will vote for it.

Dem-RINO Coalition


23 posted on 07/26/2011 12:53:48 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: who knows what evil?

Agreed. This raise debt ceiling now and cut spending later is just not getting it. Everybody has now wised up to the fact that cuts over 10 years probably means little or no cuts at all.


24 posted on 07/26/2011 1:06:46 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Fred
The pole position of Speaker of the House is in play...can y’all say Speaker Cantor...

Cantor is 100% with Boehner on this. These are the numbers they've been putting forth for months.

Problem is people are changing the goal posts on them the last couple of days. Not good.

25 posted on 07/26/2011 1:08:21 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: GeronL
All Boehner needs is to cut so little that the Democrats will vote for it.

Actually not. To cut ANYTHING is anathema to Dems.

That's exactly why dems been opposed to it all along. That and the "no tax hike" pledge which Boehner has cited and which is passing unless something messes up this deal.

If Boehner fails, Obama crows. Ugh.

26 posted on 07/26/2011 1:10:51 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: lonevoice; Jedidah
They didn’t vote on the CCB bill. They voted to table it. There has been no vote on the bill.

That's right.

My understanding is that the votes may have been there in the Senate. Which is precisely why Reid tabled it -- a vote was dangerous, and so a vote was not allowed.

27 posted on 07/26/2011 1:16:21 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: cardinal4

He said he was kidding and the quote was in quotes. To bad you are so stupid to realize.


28 posted on 07/26/2011 1:18:40 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: who knows what evil?

Apparently it cuts $6 billion in 2012.

Cuts will never happen beyond that.

This is a joke.


29 posted on 07/26/2011 1:19:15 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: SeekAndFind
Jim is the rep from the next district over to mine. Great guy. I need to send his campaign fund more money. I wish my weasly rep Mike Turner would go on record like this.

BTW, this is the first big public rift with the conservative caucus from Boehner, who has to pay attention to them.

30 posted on 07/26/2011 1:24:06 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: caww

The ratings agencies say they need to see $4 trillion in *spending cuts* (not debt increase) or it’s downgrade time. Obama et al want *no* spending cuts.


31 posted on 07/26/2011 1:27:41 PM PDT by kevao
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To: ClearCase_guy; Jedidah

I’ve read that too. Also, Sen DeMint wanted more time to lobby for it in the Senate before Boehner came out with yet another bad House deal. DeMint tweeted a couple of days ago that he was only short 4 Democrat votes for CCB to pass in the Senate. At least bringing it to the floor for debate offers the opportunity to discuss it, vote on it, or amend it.


32 posted on 07/26/2011 1:29:22 PM PDT by lonevoice (Life is short. Make fun of it.)
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To: kevao

I still can’t figure out why the annual deficits are FOUR times what they were just three years ago. Someone please explain to me how the deficit went from $400 Billion to $1.6 Trillion in less than three years.


33 posted on 07/26/2011 1:43:03 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: lonevoice
At least bringing it to the floor for debate offers the opportunity to discuss it, vote on it, or amend it.

That wouldn't work, it just might have passed. This would not have pleased Reid....or Boehner.

34 posted on 07/26/2011 1:49:08 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Jedidah
Pass a debt ceiling increase with only a balanced budget or debt ceiling limit amendment attached. Make the numbers big enough that actual balancing isn't required for 5 more years or so.

The American Dream has been killed by incremental socialism, and the ability of the left to seduce the American people with promises of something for nothing. They have won to date because they think long-term. A properly drafted constitutional amendment with no current spending cuts is an extremely difficult instrument for Democrats to vote against because there are no immediate cuts they can demagogue. Voting against it will just look irresponsible to a fickle electorate that wants a balanced budget conceptually, but shies away from the tough decisions necessary to implement it. An amendment eliminates that problem.

If ratified, it would give us a command of the long-term high ground we've never had. It's the Manhatten Project of fiscal discipline.

Sure, it would be nice to get immediate cuts, and to have it balance sooner. But getting those votes will be tough. So give the RATS the painless way to claim they're fiscally disciplined by giving them a clean amendment with no immediate consequences. The absolute beauty of getting such a resolution through the House and Senate is that the state-level ratification debate would occur in 2012, and would be a huge boost for conservatives. And of course, Obama couldn't veto it, but might waste a whole lot of political capital in trying to oppose it.

35 posted on 07/26/2011 1:49:17 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: ClearCase_guy

Yes, the CCB is perfect. It gives that thing living in our WH what he wants....no debt ceiling coming up in the election year. The goons need to be cut, capped and balanced...


36 posted on 07/26/2011 2:00:09 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), who said the Boehner plan didn't cut spending enough, heads a group that includes 178 of the 240 Republican House lawmakers.

Oh, yeah....PREACH it, Jim! You're speaking for US, your constituents.

37 posted on 07/26/2011 2:00:20 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: EGPWS
Most of what is going on anyway is a fight between those who produce and those who take. Its the Makers vs. the Takers. Its fight that's been going on since the dawn of time. Here's a few of the most them


38 posted on 07/26/2011 2:01:18 PM PDT by Roninf5-1
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To: who knows what evil?
How about cutting ONE trillion by the end of the year?

I like the current path: do nothing. This cuts $1.65 Trillion by the end of the year.

39 posted on 07/26/2011 2:01:58 PM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: LS
Jim is the rep from the next district over to mine.

Yep.

Mine. ;*)

40 posted on 07/26/2011 2:02:09 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: C210N
I like the current path: do nothing. This cuts $1.65 Trillion by the end of the year.

Ditto.

41 posted on 07/26/2011 2:04:21 PM PDT by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: Deo volente

I’m standing in that same line. I’m really wondering how the hell we got here so fast, especially when our projected revenue levels for this year will about equal 2006.


42 posted on 07/26/2011 2:07:36 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Agreed. This raise debt ceiling now and cut spending later ... sounds alot like comprehensive immigation reform before bulding the border fence and enforcing our currnt laws.

They think we are sheep.

BTW, I'll find a use for the pistol, just dont drop the rifle in the first place.

43 posted on 07/26/2011 2:10:41 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: Deo volente
Three simple letters: “B.H.O.
44 posted on 07/26/2011 2:14:55 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Deo volente
Someone please explain to me how the deficit went from $400 Billion to $1.6 Trillion in less than three years.

I can do that in nine letters, or possibly five.

45 posted on 07/26/2011 2:17:55 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: SeekAndFind; ClearCase_guy
Actually, ClearCase_guy is correct. The Senate did not vote on CCB itself.

They only voted on whether to not vote on it. That's why Dems voted AYE, GOP voted NO.

The tabled bill can be brought back which is what DeMint claim he wants to do with CCB. It's not really dead, there was no debate on it, nothing.

46 posted on 07/26/2011 2:18:44 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: zzeeman

Carney Admits Obama Has No Plan...

Carney Gets Hit for Ten Minutes on The Obama Plan

July 26, 2011 2:34 P.M. By Daniel Foster

Or the lack thereof. After bobbing-and-weaving for nine minutes, Carney finally says what everybody knows: the president won’t put his plan on paper because he doesn’t want it to become “politically charged” before a compromise can be reached. In other words, you’ve got to pass it to find out what’s in it:

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/272768/carney-gets-hit-ten-minutes-obama-plan-daniel-foster

Obama Threatens Another Veto...

Just hours after urging compromise...


47 posted on 07/26/2011 2:18:48 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
That's an intriguing idea. I haven't heard it proposed yet.
48 posted on 07/26/2011 2:23:15 PM PDT by Deo volente (God willing, America will survive this Obamination.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
Cantor is 100% with Boehner on this. These are the numbers they've been putting forth for months.

Nice way to throw the Speaker and Cantor under the bus, boys. I don't know how they think they can leverage control of one institution into getting everything they want. This doesn't look principled--just amateurish.

49 posted on 07/26/2011 2:25:18 PM PDT by hcmama
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To: SeekAndFind

Voters are not amused and will not be fooled. Better live up to the promises that got you elected or you won’t be back. Guaranteed.


50 posted on 07/26/2011 2:34:14 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Consider what is really at stake in the 2012 election? Hint: It's your republic.)
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