Skip to comments.Boehner Plan Faces Rebellion
Posted on 07/26/2011 11:23:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFindEdited on 07/26/2011 5:05:12 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
The leader of a large group of House conservatives said Tuesday he was "confident" there weren't enough GOP lawmakers to pass a plan by Republican House Speaker John Boehner to increase the debt ceiling and reduce the deficit.
Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), who said the Boehner plan didn't cut spending enough, heads a group that includes 178 of the 240 Republican House lawmakers.
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How about cutting ONE trillion by the end of the year?
Boehner may fail in his current endeavor with a newer bill, but the GOP passed something that would work. The Democrats are the ones blocking CCB.
The media seems to be focusing on the "GOP block" which is currently causing trouble for Boehner -- the media is doing this so as to paint the GOP as unreasonable trouble-makers who won't allow a solution to pass.
We are not the problem.
Plays right into the Democrats hands. “The Republicans were willing to work on a compromise but the fringe tea party kooks and their representatives shut down the government and threw grandma in the street.”
I am tired of the GOP thinking that we do not need to make big budget cuts now.
We are borrowing $.42 of every dollar we spend.
An across-the-board, 15% cut of every federal agency and grant would be far more legitimate than Boehner’s proposal.
If we don’t start cutting now then all of these promises of cuts later ring utterly hollow.
How in the world can they only find $6B in cuts? That’s pretty much a rounding error.
These people aren’t serious, it’s all politics and that’s why there will be a downgrade.
That would be a reasonable dent in it anyway.
Most of what is going on anyway is a fight between those who produce and those who take.
The beltway politicians aren't seeing the money, they are seeing their self promoting politics at stake and the "takers" are petrified at the prospect of losing their power base because of this sensible bill to stop the spending.
An era is close to coming to an end!
RE: The House passed Cut, Cap and Balance. That bill is still before the Senate. The Senate has not modified it, nor have they voted on it.
The Senate BLOCKED Cap, Cut and Balance last week on a party line vote. All Republicans voted for it, and all Democrats voted against it.
Pan Yan What are you a troll? The Tea Party is not fringe, its main steam and patriotic. When did standing up for the US Constitution become fringe? This is a sick ignorant comment.
The reason for the quotes around the comment is because that is what the democrats will say. Sorry to confuse you.
Pan Yan was saying what the Vhris Matthewses and Wassermans will say ..
I think one (or more) of the ratings agencies said that unless there is a spending cut of $4 trillion, it’s downgrade time. Why even Boner is oblivious to this is beyond me.
The bigger problem is that it immediately increases the debt limit by $1 trillion, which even Boner said today that they'll blow through by April next year. WTF? It's totally out of control.
You are wrong.
The Senate voted last week.
Yes. Thank you for stating the truth succinctly.
Just what do the House Republicans think they can realistically get done?
They control half of Congress. It takes all of Congress, both houses, plus an Executive signature, to enact legislation.
Compromise, in this case, is NOT a dirty word. Take what we can, keep the pressure on, and take both houses next November. That’s all we can realistically hope for.
But realism doesn’t seem to be a word these people understand.
The pole position of Speaker of the House is in play...can y’all say Speaker Cantor...
We will get the balanced budget amendment in 2013, no presidential anything required. There will be a wipe out for Dem senators this election cycle ergo BBA passes the senate in 2013
The credit rating agencies are in the back pocket of Obama and the democrates.....thus their threats to put pressure on......we are watching the “socialists/Marxists” in operationa and that is what this is about.
Boehner was right to say all they want is more money....they want the dbit ceiling raised, whcih means they have more money to spend, though they deny this.
If a credit card company extends me additional credit that does not mean I have more money.....but to the Government it always means just that...and that they can spend more for raising it...and they do!
There will be a short term 11th hour fix which will lift the debt ceiling and kick the can a little bit further down the road but this will lead to an S&P downgrade (if they're true to their word).
None of the proposals really come close to achieving what the ratings agencies are looking for apart from Coburn's proposal.
They didn’t vote on the CCB bill. They voted to table it. There has been no vote on the bill.
All Boehner needs is to cut so little that the Democrats will vote for it.
Agreed. This raise debt ceiling now and cut spending later is just not getting it. Everybody has now wised up to the fact that cuts over 10 years probably means little or no cuts at all.
Cantor is 100% with Boehner on this. These are the numbers they've been putting forth for months.
Problem is people are changing the goal posts on them the last couple of days. Not good.
Actually not. To cut ANYTHING is anathema to Dems.
That's exactly why dems been opposed to it all along. That and the "no tax hike" pledge which Boehner has cited and which is passing unless something messes up this deal.
If Boehner fails, Obama crows. Ugh.
My understanding is that the votes may have been there in the Senate. Which is precisely why Reid tabled it -- a vote was dangerous, and so a vote was not allowed.
He said he was kidding and the quote was in quotes. To bad you are so stupid to realize.
Apparently it cuts $6 billion in 2012.
Cuts will never happen beyond that.
This is a joke.
BTW, this is the first big public rift with the conservative caucus from Boehner, who has to pay attention to them.
The ratings agencies say they need to see $4 trillion in *spending cuts* (not debt increase) or it’s downgrade time. Obama et al want *no* spending cuts.
I’ve read that too. Also, Sen DeMint wanted more time to lobby for it in the Senate before Boehner came out with yet another bad House deal. DeMint tweeted a couple of days ago that he was only short 4 Democrat votes for CCB to pass in the Senate. At least bringing it to the floor for debate offers the opportunity to discuss it, vote on it, or amend it.
I still can’t figure out why the annual deficits are FOUR times what they were just three years ago. Someone please explain to me how the deficit went from $400 Billion to $1.6 Trillion in less than three years.
That wouldn't work, it just might have passed. This would not have pleased Reid....or Boehner.
The American Dream has been killed by incremental socialism, and the ability of the left to seduce the American people with promises of something for nothing. They have won to date because they think long-term. A properly drafted constitutional amendment with no current spending cuts is an extremely difficult instrument for Democrats to vote against because there are no immediate cuts they can demagogue. Voting against it will just look irresponsible to a fickle electorate that wants a balanced budget conceptually, but shies away from the tough decisions necessary to implement it. An amendment eliminates that problem.
If ratified, it would give us a command of the long-term high ground we've never had. It's the Manhatten Project of fiscal discipline.
Sure, it would be nice to get immediate cuts, and to have it balance sooner. But getting those votes will be tough. So give the RATS the painless way to claim they're fiscally disciplined by giving them a clean amendment with no immediate consequences. The absolute beauty of getting such a resolution through the House and Senate is that the state-level ratification debate would occur in 2012, and would be a huge boost for conservatives. And of course, Obama couldn't veto it, but might waste a whole lot of political capital in trying to oppose it.
Yes, the CCB is perfect. It gives that thing living in our WH what he wants....no debt ceiling coming up in the election year. The goons need to be cut, capped and balanced...
Oh, yeah....PREACH it, Jim! You're speaking for US, your constituents.
I like the current path: do nothing. This cuts $1.65 Trillion by the end of the year.
I’m standing in that same line. I’m really wondering how the hell we got here so fast, especially when our projected revenue levels for this year will about equal 2006.
They think we are sheep.
BTW, I'll find a use for the pistol, just dont drop the rifle in the first place.
I can do that in nine letters, or possibly five.
They only voted on whether to not vote on it. That's why Dems voted AYE, GOP voted NO.
The tabled bill can be brought back which is what DeMint claim he wants to do with CCB. It's not really dead, there was no debate on it, nothing.
Carney Admits Obama Has No Plan...
Carney Gets Hit for Ten Minutes on The Obama Plan
July 26, 2011 2:34 P.M. By Daniel Foster
Or the lack thereof. After bobbing-and-weaving for nine minutes, Carney finally says what everybody knows: the president wont put his plan on paper because he doesnt want it to become politically charged before a compromise can be reached. In other words, youve got to pass it to find out whats in it:
Obama Threatens Another Veto...
Just hours after urging compromise...
Nice way to throw the Speaker and Cantor under the bus, boys. I don't know how they think they can leverage control of one institution into getting everything they want. This doesn't look principled--just amateurish.
Voters are not amused and will not be fooled. Better live up to the promises that got you elected or you won’t be back. Guaranteed.
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