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Haley Barbour criticizes DeMint for not supporting Boehner (DeMint still wants Cut,Cap,Balance)
The Hill ^ | 07/26/2011 | Alicia M Cohn

Posted on 07/26/2011 11:48:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour (R) criticized the Tea Party wing of the GOP on Tuesday for failing to get behind Republican leadership on a deficit plan.

"Our people have to understand that we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good," Barbour said.

Barbour said House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) had shown "courage" in the deficit debate by agreeing to compromise in order to raise the debt ceiling.

"In politics, purity is a dead dog loser," he said. "We cannot go out with the idea that we're going to be pure, or we're going to do nothing."

Speaking on conservative Laura Ingraham's radio show, Barbour warned that only compromise would produce a "good" deficit deal.

"If I had my way, if I were a dictator, we'd have no tax increases," he said. "But Republicans control one half of one third of the government."

Barbour said Tea Party Republicans such as Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) needed to get behind Boehner's effort, rather than clinging to the "Cut, Cap and Balance" Act which passed the House but "isn't going anywhere in the Senate."

DeMint criticized Boehner's plan as "essentially the same thing" as Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-Nev.) plan on FOX News Monday evening. Both plans "are political deals, not debt solutions," he tweeted.

The two-step plan offered by Boehner on Monday would raise the debt ceiling $1 trillion for a few months and make $1.2 trillion in cuts as the first step. Step two would appoint a commission to recommend additional deficit-reduction proposals for Congress to vote on and require a vote on a balanced budget amendment to the constitution.

DeMint pledged to continue working to pass the "Cut, Cap and Balance" Act, which conditions raising the debt ceiling on immediate spending cuts, capping annual spending and voting on a balanced budget amendment.

The Cut, Cap and Balance coalition, representing more than 100 Tea Party and conservative activist groups, also on Monday released a statement opposing Boehner's plan. The group said it could not support Boehner in part because it feared a Congressional commission would "make it easier to raise taxes than to institute enduring budget reforms."

However, the Tea Party movement may be more divided in its response on a local level. One local group in Boehner's home district organized a rally to show support for the Speaker on Monday that drew a crowd from throughout southwest Ohio and northern Kentucky, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer.

Ingraham, who urged her viewers to call DeMint and other Republicans urging them to support Boehner's plan, said she agreed with Barbour's message that Tea Party leaders needed to be told, "Don't stab your guy in the back."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: barbour; cutcapbalance; debtceiling; demint; haleybarbour; haleybubba; jimdemint; johnboehner

1 posted on 07/26/2011 11:48:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

“Haley Barbour” and “Karl Rove” the 2 Fat Bastards of the RINO GOP who need to STFU!


2 posted on 07/26/2011 11:50:21 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Barbour: “we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good”

hmmm....where have we heard that before? That’s what Obama was saying during the Obamacare debate.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 11:54:11 AM PDT by teg_76
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To: US Navy Vet

Barbour is not a malefactor like Rove, he is just too much the party loyalist.

When did the two government parties decide that only two “leaders” were to have faces and voices anyway? Disgusting, weak and not representation.


4 posted on 07/26/2011 11:55:13 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Psalm 144

Same difference.


5 posted on 07/26/2011 11:58:23 AM PDT by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Speaker Boehner’s plan would reduce deficit spending by 10% as it exists at present levels (and assuming future Congressional compliance with The Speaker’s “plan”). Worse, the raising of the debt ceiling would allow the Feds to immediately spend 90% of the amount of the deficit that will be eliminated over next ten years. This allows an acceleration of deficit spending.

Adding to the injury, Barbour and The Speaker insult our intelligence. We are skating on the edge of a total and unmitigated disaster.

Time to shrug.

6 posted on 07/26/2011 11:59:17 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Barbour wants to make sure that it is business as usual in the beltway.


7 posted on 07/26/2011 11:59:55 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: SeekAndFind

The GOP establishment sure has come up with a deficit plan. There is no deficit reduction in it. Debt increase now in exchange for “cuts” later. The cuts however insignificant are optional and not binding.


8 posted on 07/26/2011 12:01:03 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The same kind of "good" that got us to where we are today, if continued as Barbour suggests, will result in the demise of liberty on these shores.

Jefferson's advice was better: "Bind them down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."

"I am for a government rigorously frugal and simple, applying all the possible savings of the public revenue to the discharge of the national debt; and not for a multiplication of officers and salaries merely to make partisans, and for increasing by every device the public debt on the principle of its being a public blessing." --Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799. ME 10:77

9 posted on 07/26/2011 12:01:25 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m with DeMint. Any increase of the debt ceiling simply allows more wildly irresponsible spending, followed by yet another plea to raise the debt ceiling. It has to end.


10 posted on 07/26/2011 12:01:27 PM PDT by American Quilter (Take back the White House and Senate in 2012--end the Obama Depression.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It doesn’t hurt for the “Bad Cop” to show up and demonstrate that Obama could be faced with options more objectionable to him, if he doesn’t take what’s offered now.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 12:02:13 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: SeekAndFind

Party loyalty runs deep for both Repubs and Dems.

Party loyalty is meaningless if Congress allows this debt ceiling to keep going up and discretionary spending to keep going up irrespective of revenue and any and all logic.

If the traditional Congresscritters had their way, Social Security and Medicare would pay out $10 dollars per month to seniors, and all the SS/Med paycheck withholdings from current workers would be used to pay for paychecks for Federal government employees in bureaucrat jobs with six-figure salaries and roads and bridges back home with their name on them.

The new Congressmen who were elected by We the People know that they’re there for 1 purpose; deconstruct the bureaucracy before the Federal government goes broke.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 12:03:55 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We need to fix things ourselves)
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To: SeekAndFind
...Barbour's message that Tea Party leaders needed to be told, "Don't stab your guy in the back."

How about this: the Democrats and liberal, establishment Republicans quit stabbing the American taxpayer in the back.

13 posted on 07/26/2011 12:04:15 PM PDT by American Quilter (Take back the White House and Senate in 2012--end the Obama Depression.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Forget Barbour. Purity couldn’t begin to turn back what Obama has done to this country! Boehner’s plan silences the new Republican caucus we installed in the midterms and replaces them with a “commission”. A commission then silences us! The 6 Billion is paltry and does not earn a cave. Hold the dang line!

Check out redstate.com for a direct line to your representative that bypasses the switchboard. Clogged seriously right now. We can keep trying.


14 posted on 07/26/2011 12:04:15 PM PDT by RitaOK (We hang together or will hang separately. 2012, or bust)
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To: SeekAndFind

There comes a time when you reach the moment of truth; when compromise isn’t an option.

You have cancer, and you find out the medicine to cure you alive will cost all of your savings. Do you:

(1) spend ALL your savings, cure yourself, and live
(2) compromise by spending only HALF your savings, only buying HALF the medicine you need to cure yourself, and die

?


15 posted on 07/26/2011 12:06:30 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: SeekAndFind
DeMint still wants Cut,Cap,Balance

So do I, and Rush isn't too excited about this new plan either. The CCB seems to only be the right plan...it actually cuts, caps and balances and stops the goons in DC from their continued destruction of this country, they've done on purpose.

16 posted on 07/26/2011 12:06:42 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: SeekAndFind

DeMint’s response to it:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1079079592001/demint-still-fighting-for-cut-cap-and-balance/


17 posted on 07/26/2011 12:07:13 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: SeekAndFind
If my Jefferson quotations, as cited above, are not adequate for explaining the founding principle of liberty, then perhaps these will make his position even more clear.

Too bad our lecturer-in-chief, who threw out an obscure Jefferson quote the other day, didn't understand as clearly as did America's Founders, that debt and deficit by government officials mean slavery and "servitude" for individuals.

"To preserve [the] independence [of the people,] we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:39

"I deem [this one of] the essential principles of our government and consequently [one] which ought to shape its administration:... The honest payment of our debts and sacred preservation of the public faith." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801. ME 3:322

"I sincerely believe... that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale." --Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816. ME 15:23

"[With the decline of society] begins, indeed, the bellum omnium in omnia [war of all against all], which some philosophers observing to be so general in this world, have mistaken it for the natural, instead of the abusive state of man. And the fore horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:40

18 posted on 07/26/2011 12:08:07 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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If we’re not skillful here, we could let the democrats hang the Obama economy around the GOP’s neck in 2012.

This is 99% political.


19 posted on 07/26/2011 12:08:14 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: TennTuxedo
Barbour wants to make sure that it is business as usual in the beltway.

The true colors of these RINOs is coming thru. No doubt who to get rid of.

20 posted on 07/26/2011 12:08:38 PM PDT by Digger (T)
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To: SeekAndFind

Default is now our only hope.

The real conservatives (tea party types) in the house should pledge to switch parties the minute a worthless bill is passed with dem + rino votes.

Maybe the Boner will stiffen up when faced with losing the speakers office.

The madness must end.


21 posted on 07/26/2011 12:12:52 PM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought Haley Barbour was a better person than this. I used to respect him.


22 posted on 07/26/2011 12:19:59 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Bobalu

RE: Default is now our only hope.

We are NOT GOING TO DEFAULT.

We have more than enough money to pay off our debt obligations.


23 posted on 07/26/2011 12:24:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

The lesser of 2 evils, is still evil.


24 posted on 07/26/2011 12:24:58 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: US Navy Vet

I want to know if anyone can confirm that the Boehner plan raises the debt ceiling until April with contingencies for cuts and no new taxes. If this is correct, then I would say we should go for it, and send the thing to the Senate sticking firm on it being until April.


25 posted on 07/26/2011 12:30:44 PM PDT by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: American Quilter

“...Barbour’s message that Tea Party leaders needed to be told, “Don’t stab your guy in the back.”

Since when is Boner “our” guy. Our guy is anyone who votes no, filibusters or has the balls to get on the stage and call out this fraud in the oval office.


26 posted on 07/26/2011 12:37:34 PM PDT by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: SeekAndFind

So where are the former “Barbour for Prez” groupies now?


27 posted on 07/26/2011 12:46:49 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Well you beat me to it so I’ll just second that emotion.


28 posted on 07/26/2011 12:55:26 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
So where are the former “Barbour for Prez” groupies now?

If Barbour was President we most definitely would not be in this mess.

I can think of far worse scenarios.

29 posted on 07/26/2011 1:05:22 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: SeekAndFind

First obama talks about being a dictator. Now Barbour. What’s up?


30 posted on 07/26/2011 1:09:12 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: nikos1121
I want to know if anyone can confirm that the Boehner plan raises the debt ceiling until April with contingencies for cuts and no new taxes. If this is correct, then I would say we should go for it, and send the thing to the Senate sticking firm on it being until April.

Boehner was on Rush this morning. It raises the debt ceiling until April.

He acknowledged there's a theoretical risk of higher taxes being recommended by the commission in step two where it identifies cuts to office the 2nd debt ceiling increase, which would be for a second debt ceiling increase. Boehner said the House isn't going to vote for more taxes so it's not a practical concern.

It's not a great plan, Boehner's said as much, but it's not the end of the world and importantly keeps the issue alive. It also guarantees a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment after Oct 1 giving time to gets all supporters behind one version and sell it. Unity that didn't happen behind CCB which put us in this position.

I contacted my Congressman and CA's dimwit Senators to support Boehner's two-step just as I did for Cut, Cap & Balance.

Reid's plan is a scam. With $1 trillion of "cuts" coming from the already scheduled draw downs in Iraq & Afghanistan. "Savings" the credit houses said must not and will not be considered "cuts" because they're not.

The two-step keeps the issue alive. Obama's number one, two and three priorities are to get this out of the election cycle.

31 posted on 07/26/2011 1:33:48 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama until 2017. It really could happen.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too bad Boss Hogg dropped out of the presidential bid. He could have helped split the establishment/Big Government vote with Willard.


32 posted on 07/26/2011 1:35:35 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: newzjunkey
-- It raises the debt ceiling until April. --

How does that work? I thought the debt ceiling was a dollar amount, not a calendar date. Just kidding, I know the idea is that Congress approves of deficit spending at a certain rate, and knows the new credit card limit will be reached less than a year from now, at the planned spending rate.

Congress, the House in particular, has to rein in the spending. That is is NOT doing so signals that the House is not really concerned.

33 posted on 07/26/2011 1:49:23 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SeekAndFind

Haley has grown into a good ole Rino boy.

For Rinos, it is perferred the the GOP be a minority wing of the International socialist party. That way everyone agrees on everything and America, her people and her freedom is sold down the UN river without any muss and fuss.


34 posted on 07/26/2011 2:42:33 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Sonny M

“The lesser of 2 evils, is still evil.”

That is what the GOP nomenklatura still do not realize - that we have figured this out, and that their “good faith and credit” is vastly overdrawn for the decade, if not a generation.


35 posted on 07/26/2011 3:32:18 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Senator DeMint, Haley Barbour...I mean Haley Barbour! I’d be sooooooooo crushed!

And YOU, Laura Ingraham, I consign you to the Ann Coulter Memorial Dustbin of Ex-Conservative History.


36 posted on 07/26/2011 6:08:32 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Boehner, you B@st@rd!)
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To: Cboldt; newzjunkey

“-—It raises the debt ceiling until April. —”

They are trying to get the debt ceiling raised enough to get us to April.

So, when it comes up again in April, we will have this fight all over again...in an election year.

Obama wants the debt ceiling raised enough to get us through the election. So, he won’t have to deal with it.

It’s all politics and strategy, and that makes me sick.

None of them appear to care about this country anymore.


37 posted on 07/26/2011 11:56:40 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: SaraJohnson

While I don’t agree with him on this, he is certainly not a RINO boy.

The rest of your post is just plain uninformed.


38 posted on 07/26/2011 11:59:12 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t agree with Haley this time, and since the thread was posted, it’s all moot. Those who jumped on board so quickly look foolish.

The CBO has scored Boehner’s bill, and has found it lacking.

So...we are off to a rewrite, as well they should after the last fiasco.


39 posted on 07/27/2011 12:04:33 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: dixiechick2000
-- None of them appear to care about this country anymore. --

They don't. And I have news for them, I don't care about the federal government either. In fact, I have animus toward it; it's nothing more than a "national" version of the "United Nations." I hope both institutions fail, spectacularly. Meanwhile, I live in a state, county, town, community and neighborhood; all of which have sufficient resources to get by even if there was no such thing as a federal government.

40 posted on 07/27/2011 6:53:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SUSSA
I thought Haley Barbour was a better person than this. I used to respect him.

Was that before he went into partnership with then DNC chairman Terry McAuliffe as well as others in the very posh and very expensive Capitol Hill restaurant, The Caucus Room, the best lobbyist deal joint?

Or before he was lobbying hard for illegal aliens?

Barbour making any mention of purity is like consulting a swine on the subject of personal hygiene.

Among DC insiders he is notable for having the slickest set of sticky fingers.

41 posted on 07/27/2011 7:06:56 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Psalm 144
Barbour is not a malefactor like Rove, he is just too much the party loyalist.

LOL!

see my 41 and then google Barbour and lobbyist to see how low he will go for a buck and brag on it. He might not have sold his grandmother but I wouldn't bet against him having rented her out a few times.

42 posted on 07/27/2011 7:13:25 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor

“He might not have sold his grandmother but I wouldn’t bet against him having rented her out a few times.”

You see, therein is the difference. Rove would not merely sell his grandmother, he would be willing to render her for lard if that was needed to grease some skids or oil some machine. He would then spin that deed “taking care of the elderly”, as he effected structural collapse and squeezed “The Architect” out of it.

We are discussing the integrity of political animals here. This is akin to finding the most comfortable spots in Hell.


43 posted on 07/27/2011 7:40:13 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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