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Atheist group wants to stop World Trade Center cross
CNN ^ | 07/26/2011 | n/a

Posted on 07/26/2011 12:38:57 PM PDT by Pyro7480

Edited on 07/26/2011 2:35:24 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A group of atheists has filed a lawsuit to stop the display of the World Trade Center cross at a memorial of the 9/11 terror attacks.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: atheist; cross; memorial; wtc
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1 posted on 07/26/2011 12:39:04 PM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Pyro7480

im not shocked how the comments section on the site is full of atheists supporting atheists, its like CNN wants us to read their opinion first.


2 posted on 07/26/2011 12:43:26 PM PDT by Dominic01 (Political correctness has become a psychosis)
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To: Pyro7480

We should declare Atheism a religion. Then whenever there isn’t something erected anywhere we can sue them.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 12:43:34 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: Pyro7480
Sounds like Soros group and Soros funding.
4 posted on 07/26/2011 12:44:09 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Pyro7480

I wonder if the liberals hostility to religion is a violation of our rights. This dude says how God couldn’t be bothered to stop the 9/11 attacks, and how “so called holy men” have blessed the cross.

This Dave Silverman dude is hostile to religion. He’s not just concerned about the legalisms of church/state separation.

So, if government is to be neutral towards religious faith, OR LACK THEREOF, is it a violation of our rights if an atheist group gets their way? Isn’t that a state imposed ideology or statement if we have to be atheistic in any official commemoration at the 9/11 site??????


5 posted on 07/26/2011 12:44:58 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: dblshot

Haters...pray for them.


6 posted on 07/26/2011 12:45:21 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Pyro7480
The "government enshrinement of the cross was an impermissible mingling of church and state," the American Atheists say in a press statement.

Impermissible in what way I wonder?

7 posted on 07/26/2011 12:45:25 PM PDT by upchuck (A default is not an economic event. It is a political event.)
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To: Pyro7480

A genuine atheist would not be bothered by a cross. Or even the notion of others awareness of the Creator. Liberal drama queens.


8 posted on 07/26/2011 12:45:39 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Pyro7480
Never let anyone tell you what you should believe in....or what you should not believe in.

Activist atheists really piss me off.

9 posted on 07/26/2011 12:46:45 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Pyro7480
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

A memorial does not establish a state religion!

10 posted on 07/26/2011 12:46:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Pyro7480
Here we go again, allowing these 6 boobs to dictate what America can or cannot have on our World Trade Center.
I am appalled at the apathy we all have when it comes to OUR rights. This will go on and on until we all step up and do something. Sorry to say that will never happen. Oh well...
11 posted on 07/26/2011 12:47:20 PM PDT by lucky american (I'm tired.)
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To: dblshot

That’s worthy of a tag line.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 12:47:42 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Pyro7480

But not the mosque. These Soros groups are not even being subtle anymore...


13 posted on 07/26/2011 12:48:22 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Sun-Tzu/Atilla 2012)
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To: Dominic01
Uh, when the HELL did the Twin Towers site become government land?

Who do these people think they are?

When is someone going to stand up to this (or anything like it), and say that it is fine to have your own opinion, but if you think that I am going to abide by your opinion, you can go outside and play "Hide and Go F*&(*K Yourself.."

It is far past time...

14 posted on 07/26/2011 12:49:07 PM PDT by Fedupwithit ("The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants" -Albert Camus)
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To: Pyro7480
I don't believe in bigfoot, and I couldn't care less if anybody wants to put a giant bigfoot statue up on public property.

This is because I'm not secretly afraid that bigfoot might be real and coming to get me.

15 posted on 07/26/2011 12:50:30 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Pyro7480

Anybody that has voted Democrat in the last 50 years or so, has a hand in stuff like this...ie, removing The Word of God/Prayer from schools/the public square etc.

Blood on their hands actually, 60 million + abortions,gay marriage, removal of Christian crosses from places like this,and veterans cemeteries etc.

None of this would be happening except for people voting Democrat and moderate Republicans in.

So anybody that has ever voted democrat, really has no right to feign outrage now.

If anybody is outraged, stop voting for Dems and moderates.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 12:50:30 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (DID I MENTION...SARAH PALIN OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: I still care

Feel free to use it. I’ll stick with what I got as it’s as germane now as ever.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 12:51:40 PM PDT by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: GSWarrior

If you think a symbol - such as a cross - means nothing in the whole scheme of life, then how can it possibly be an offense to you??

I just wish I could see the look on their faces when they find out how much meaning the cross truly has.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 12:52:41 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Pyro7480

Why would a cross bother them so much if they don’t believe in God?

Maybe we need some laws against satan’s people.


19 posted on 07/26/2011 12:54:03 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.. VOTE out the RATS!)
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To: Dominic01
hose s inking a heis s would ban he le er " " if hey hough hey could ge away wi h i .

So dea h o a heis s and heir running dog lackeys.

20 posted on 07/26/2011 12:54:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Pyro7480; All

Someday ... I pray... that the Seven in Heaven get a chance to kick these atheists’ butts.


21 posted on 07/26/2011 12:55:12 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: Dominic01

I imagine they are okay with the Mosque?


22 posted on 07/26/2011 12:55:57 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: MNDude

Dittos. (Drat, beat me to it).


23 posted on 07/26/2011 12:57:40 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Pyro7480; All

The “government enshrinement of the cross was an impermissible mingling of church and state,” the American Atheists say in a press statement.
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did anyone notice the atheists breathing a SINGLE word
of protest about the ground zero mosque???

(which recently won permission to go ahead...)

or did a single atheist object to the State Department and Military, building and repairing Mosques all over the world?


24 posted on 07/26/2011 12:58:30 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Pyro7480

You can build a mosque at Ground Zero, but not a cross or a Greek Orthodox Church?

Just another day in Obamaland. :)


25 posted on 07/26/2011 12:59:45 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I think actually, yes. They appear to have a religious ferver for this.


26 posted on 07/26/2011 12:59:48 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: Fedupwithit

The TWC belongs to the Port Authority of NY & NJ, which is a quasi govermental agency with police powers on its premises. It receives money from NY and NJ taxpayers and its leadership is overseen by the governors of NY & NJ.That being said, the PA provides a chapel at JFK.Its police dept has a department chaplain. The PA makes no claim as to the status of the cross, only that it is important to the families of many of the lost,many of the survivors and many of those who worked the recovery.As such, its presence is altogether fitting and proper.


27 posted on 07/26/2011 1:02:08 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: Pyro7480

These people are vicious, evil, intolerant monsters.

The rest of us - the overwhelming majority of Americans who follow Judaeo-Christian beliefs, have OUR right infringed EVERYTIME these vicious iconoclasts impose their will upon us.

In addition to the first Amendment stating their shall be no estbalishment of religion, it ALSO clearly states that their shall be NO INFRINGEMENT of religion - which is exactly what these intolerant monsters are doing.

A close perusal of our founding fathers, their documents and their views on God and the state clarifies that they NEVER intended for the First Amendment to be employed in this fashion.

Read “Original Intent”!!


28 posted on 07/26/2011 1:03:27 PM PDT by ZULU (Crapo, Coburn and Chambliss are a herd of renegade RINOs.)
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To: dblshot
We should declare Atheism a religion.

Atheism is the religion of government.

It used to be called the Communist party.

29 posted on 07/26/2011 1:03:45 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Pyro7480

These people are vicious, evil, intolerant monsters.

The rest of us - the overwhelming majority of Americans who follow Judaeo-Christian beliefs, have OUR right infringed EVERYTIME these vicious iconoclasts impose their will upon us.

In addition to the first Amendment stating their shall be no estbalishment of religion, it ALSO clearly states that their shall be NO INFRINGEMENT of religion - which is exactly what these intolerant monsters are doing.

A close perusal of our founding fathers, their documents and their views on God and the state clarifies that they NEVER intended for the First Amendment to be employed in this fashion.

Read “Original Intent”!!


30 posted on 07/26/2011 1:03:57 PM PDT by ZULU (Crapo, Coburn and Chambliss are a herd of renegade RINOs.)
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31 posted on 07/26/2011 1:04:23 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Pyro7480

Someday they’ll be contesting the placement of religious symbols on private property. Visible from the public street and all...


32 posted on 07/26/2011 1:07:19 PM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: Pyro7480

Partial solution: Let the Greek Orthodox Church rebuild St. Nicholas Church with as big a dome as they can afford, and a BIG ORTHODOX CROSS on top of the dome!!!!

They should also push the atheists aside, and include the cross that miraculously appeared in the middle of the ruins of the World Trade Center in the Memorial. But the St. Nicholas Orthodox Church cross should be the most visible in the area.

No Ground Zero mosque, either!!!!


33 posted on 07/26/2011 1:07:54 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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Did these people complain when the Empire State Building lit up in green for Ramadan?

When they so vociferously protest muslim displays... like PRAYER SESSIONS DURING SCHOOLTIME... they can get back to us.

Until then, godless ones, STFU.


34 posted on 07/26/2011 1:09:57 PM PDT by ScottinVA (As a party that gives Obama what he wants, what again is the GOP`s 2012 selling point?)
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To: upchuck

It isn’t an establishment of a “Church” to put up a cross, so there is no violation.

Putting up a cross is no violation—what “church” is being established????—it is necessary for freedom OF religion in the public square.

The establishment clause has had that Marxian misapplication so that there is no reason and logic to it—as is all Marxist ideology—The Big Lie.

The establishment of ideology to the level of “religion” is also at fault—original documents would NEVER allow “Wiccan” or other pagan or Atheism to be classified as “religion” and would give it NO rights according to religious rights.

It is what has been done to the term—Religion—(making it meaningless like Marxism does to all words—(marriage) which is destroying the whole intent and meaning of the phrase —the freedom of religion shall NOT be ....


35 posted on 07/26/2011 1:10:22 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: Pyro7480

These people are not atheists so much as anti-theists.


36 posted on 07/26/2011 1:13:58 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: ScottinVA

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_jersey&id=8270098


37 posted on 07/26/2011 1:15:30 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: Pyro7480

Where were they when the mosque was being rammed through?


38 posted on 07/26/2011 1:18:28 PM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: JohnnyP

haha! I couldn’t believe I was the 22nd poster and nobody else brought it up yet.


39 posted on 07/26/2011 1:18:59 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: ScottinVA

Just the way black interest groups do not really care about blacks or women’s groups don’t really care about women or PETA doesn’t really care about animals, atheists don’t really care about the “separation of church and state”. They’re all left-wing political groups dedicated to bankrupting and bringing down traditional America with endless lawsuits, protests, bullying and chaos.


40 posted on 07/26/2011 1:19:13 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Pyro7480
Of course the atheists are going to whine about this.

Anything to call attention to themselves.

"Look at uuuus! We're atheists! Aren't we coooool?"

41 posted on 07/26/2011 1:23:09 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: 6SJ7

Theophobes


42 posted on 07/26/2011 1:23:39 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: Pyro7480

“The WTC cross has become a Christian icon,” said Dave Silverman, president of the atheist group. “It has been blessed by so-called holy men and presented as a reminder that their god, who couldn’t be bothered to stop the Muslim terrorists or prevent 3,000 people from being killed in his name, cared only enough to bestow upon us some rubble that resembles a cross. It’s a truly ridiculous assertion.”

Well, then, Sparky, it shouldn’t really matter to you, should it?

Sheesh...

Colonel, USAFR


43 posted on 07/26/2011 1:23:52 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Pyro7480
The "government enshrinement of the cross was an impermissible mingling of church and state," the American Atheists say in a press statement.

Now, what could possibly make you say something like that?

Could it be SATAN!

44 posted on 07/26/2011 1:25:49 PM PDT by mc5cents (Noli nothis permittere te terere)
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To: upchuck

“Mingling” is the new “Establishment”.


45 posted on 07/26/2011 1:33:46 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: Pyro7480

Are these atheist A*holes at least bitching about the Ground Zero Mosque also? Or is it a Christianity thing only? I got money on the latter.


46 posted on 07/26/2011 1:34:46 PM PDT by eak3
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To: Pyro7480
Atheists are GOD HATING @$$#0!e$.

Hey Atheists -- why not create a new NATION. Oh forget a new nation -- you have one, NORTH KOREA. Bring your AMERICA HATING MORONS (read: Bernie Sanders, Soros, Zero and LIBERALS, MArxists and Michael Moore) with you!!

GOD, forgive ATHEISTS, they are not all there!!!

47 posted on 07/26/2011 1:35:56 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Palin/Bachman 2012....What would the NAGS say? :-))
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To: muawiyah

hey would ban he le er “ “


48 posted on 07/26/2011 1:38:51 PM PDT by Dominic01 (Political correctness has become a psychosis)
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To: Pyro7480

If ther ewere any real leaders out there anymore, they would tell these people to shut their pie-holes and deal with it. They want nothing more than to destroy other peoples lives with their meaningless tripe because their lives are empty.


49 posted on 07/26/2011 1:42:06 PM PDT by vpintheak (Democrats: Robbing humans of their dignity 1 law at a time)
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To: Just mythoughts

hwavy on the queen part


50 posted on 07/26/2011 1:42:52 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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