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The Government Just Admitted For The First Time It Is Using Cell Phone Data To Track Your Location
Business Insider ^ | 7/26/2011 | Robert Johnson

Posted on 07/26/2011 2:06:08 PM PDT by tutstar

A group of Senators questioned the general attorney for the National Security Agency Tuesday about whether U.S. intelligence agencies are using cell phone geo location data to track U.S. citizens without their knowledge.

According to The Wall Street Journal, the leader of the National Counterterrorism Center Matthew Olson told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that: "There are certain circumstances where that authority may exist."

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; biggovt; corruption; donttreadonme; fedgov; fedzilla; geotracking; govtabuse; tracking; tyranny
Tracking for security purposes or to know the location everyone who opposes the President on the budget?

There is also a link within the article to WSJ

1 posted on 07/26/2011 2:06:17 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: ShadowAce

ping


2 posted on 07/26/2011 2:06:44 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: tutstar

Imagine the State-run media, U.S. Senate & House RATS, Civil Rights Groups, etc., if this were being done by G.W., Reagan, or any other Republican. The fit would hit the shan!!!


3 posted on 07/26/2011 2:08:44 PM PDT by Mr. Wright
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To: tutstar

I’m sure the press will drill down to this Obama administration cell hacking just like they are with the owner of Fox news.


4 posted on 07/26/2011 2:11:13 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: tutstar

ping


5 posted on 07/26/2011 2:16:45 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: tutstar

Just the other day the local news informed us that GM was testing communication between their electric cars and the smart grid.

If they’re able to communicate, they’re able to track.


6 posted on 07/26/2011 2:17:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: tutstar
There are certain circumstances where that authority may exist

From whom?

The authority to do anything comes from either the Constitution or the laws passed by the very people he's speaking to.

So where would he get such "authority" without them knowing about it?

Or maybe he just figures he's appointed by Divine Right and doesn't owe anyone an explanation.

7 posted on 07/26/2011 2:19:44 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: tutstar

Sorry....dont have a cell phone.

Try again?


8 posted on 07/26/2011 2:21:58 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Make your choice ! There are NO civilians.)
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To: Regulator
There are certain circumstances where that authority may exist

I'm sure there are circumstances where a warrant might get issued for that data. More telling is the implication from his statement that the data exists and is being maintained.

The phone system HAS to keep track of where your phone is, in order to be able to route incoming calls to the right cell tower. His statement implies that the information is logged, and the logs are archived. Somewhere, there is a file that contains where your cell phone has been, all through the days and weeks.

9 posted on 07/26/2011 2:26:25 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Somewhere, there is a file that contains where your cell phone has been, all through the days and weeks.

Good, because I'm beginning to suspect that my cell phone has been cheating on me.

10 posted on 07/26/2011 2:28:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Regulator

The problem here, Reg, is the marriage of business and government.

The government of the People (a Republic) would only be in business for the business of the People meaning settling legal matters, collecting taxes, and providing for the common defense of the States.

As soon as lobbying and NGOs and other shadow organizations started shelling out the cash to Congress on up, business and government were married at the hip.

Government buys car company, government “sells” car company, car company puts out trackable vehicles, sheep fall over, government controls your life. Liberty = FAIL.

The only variable they can’t count on is the People. We have the power to vote with our wallets. GM will never get a dime of my money for the rest of my life.

Ford all the way, here.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 2:30:32 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Regulator

There almost certainly is an archive of cell location data.

It’s also very likely that all cell calls are archived as encrypted data files....ditto for land-line calls.

The idea is that it is not really a 4th amendment violation as long as only a federal judge can order the data decrypted so it can be listened to. These judicial orders are made in secret. This is all Patriot Act fallout.

This is the reason the gov fought so damned hard to ensure cell encryption was insecure. If they had to decrypt each call before they could re-encrypt and archive they would soon run out of the computer power required to keep up with the data volume. They also took steps to ensure no cell phone model was allowed to use the internal processor to add a 2nd layer of hard encryption to the data stream. It would be child’s play to add this 2nd layer and do public key encryption for all calls...but this would make it impossible to archive the cell system data.

It does not take a genius to figure out that the only reason to fight so hard against a more secure cell system is because they are archiving all the data. They would not even allow weak encryption to be added. This is because even weak encryption would overtax the systems they would employ to decrypt all the cell data. Weak encryption would not in any way hamper a valid warrant to monitor a cell users calls... it’s easy to decrypt weakly encrypted data of small volume...but a layer of weak encryption would mean they would never be able to decrypt all the cell data in real-time and that’s what was most important.

Now, just imagine what kind of juicy calls are contained inside the archive of all cell calls in the Chicago area over the last decade.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 2:32:26 PM PDT by Bobalu (He who is compassionate to the cruel will ultimately become cruel to the compassionate)
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To: dfwgator

Lol! My records would be pretty boring, home to work; from work to the grocery to back home again. Repeat day after day.


13 posted on 07/26/2011 2:32:26 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Delta 21
Sorry....dont have a cell phone

OK, but rumor has it: if you have a land line, it can be traced right to your home ! ;^)

.

14 posted on 07/26/2011 2:36:29 PM PDT by repentant_pundit (Maybe THIS summer will finally be the "Summer of Recovery")
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To: cripplecreek

GM cars with Onstar know where you are when you have a wreck. Only makes sense they can track your whereabouts.


15 posted on 07/26/2011 2:37:13 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Delta 21

Neither do we. I don’t like phones anyway. But....for those that do have cell phones and you don’t want to be tracked, take the battery out. It does no good just to turn the phone off.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 2:39:49 PM PDT by RC2
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To: tutstar

If so...then I’ll make it a habit to drive by the local Mosque....then the gun store...then the airport everyday....with GPS going.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 2:45:22 PM PDT by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: CedarDave

Fortunately I have no need of that garbage on a vehicle. Guess I’m from the time when a certain degree of professionalism was required behind the wheel.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 2:47:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Mr. Wright

It’s getting worse too~


19 posted on 07/26/2011 2:49:38 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: tutstar

bump


20 posted on 07/26/2011 2:56:46 PM PDT by ken21 (liberal + rino progressive media hate palin, bachman, cain...)
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To: tutstar

That was a very lawyerly answer - a NON answer, answer:

He left open the possibility that they perform telephone intercept even in cases in which they have no formal authority to do so.

And everyone knows that has been going on for DECADES.


21 posted on 07/26/2011 2:57:01 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: DBrow

I hope you aren’t holding your breath!


22 posted on 07/26/2011 2:57:47 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: tutstar
One of the myriad reasons why I will not own a cell phone. Don't have one, don't need one, won't ever get one. Ever.

:^\

23 posted on 07/26/2011 3:07:45 PM PDT by Gargantua (Sarah Palin 2012 ~ "Going Oval" in la Casa Blanca)
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To: Regulator

Not too far off


24 posted on 07/26/2011 3:08:13 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: tutstar

When you decide to go after the SOBs leave your cell phone at a McDonalds or the Library.


25 posted on 07/26/2011 3:17:49 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Gargantua

I don’t own a cell phone (what’s so d@mn important that you can’t wait till you get to your home or office phone?)

Or a Blackberry (I read email on my desktop).

Or a GPS/TomTom (I learned to read a map in the Army. I plan itineraries on MapQuest before traveling).

Of course, the gubmint knows who each and every one of us FReepers are, but what the heck?


26 posted on 07/26/2011 3:29:11 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: tutstar

This has been happening for years. The ability to track cell phones continues to used by law enforcement to catch guys, while they’re running from the police. Its how they go after terrorists and insurgents during combat op’s. Can it be used and abused by the government, but in some instances, there are quite a few bad guys in jail because of that technology.


27 posted on 07/26/2011 4:07:27 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: repentant_pundit

Now you are really making me paranoid.


28 posted on 07/26/2011 5:44:50 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Make your choice ! There are NO civilians.)
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To: tutstar

Don’t worry, they’ll be tracking your car soon enough. They’ll call it a ‘mileage tax’, just to make it sound less nasty...but some of us know their motivation.


29 posted on 07/26/2011 5:50:50 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: qaz123
This has been happening for years. The ability to track cell phones continues to used by law enforcement to catch guys, while they’re running from the police. Its how they go after terrorists and insurgents during combat op’s.

Shhhhh! You'll disturb The Force!!!!

Besides, it's not the government we need to worry about it's Ma and Pa Democrat operatives tracking Newt Gingrich.

30 posted on 07/26/2011 6:05:33 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: tutstar

Ah, it’s just Big Bro and Big Sis looking over your shoulder (at everything you do). I’m sure it’s only for our own good. /s


31 posted on 07/26/2011 6:25:44 PM PDT by citizen (Romney+Bachmann: Economic guy+Tea Party Values gal. I like it a lot!! No more Dick Obama in 2012!)
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To: tutstar

This has been going on for years.

Blue tooth was specifically designed for it.


32 posted on 07/26/2011 9:03:27 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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