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[Rick] Scott Promotes Controversial Education Reforms [Rick Perry has championed]
WCTV ^ | July 26, 2011 | Lilly Rockwell, The News Service of Florida

Posted on 07/26/2011 2:44:40 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Gov. Rick Scott has begun discreetly promoting the same changes to the higher education system that Texas Gov. Rick Perry has championed. The proposals include some of the same reforms pushed by conservatives in K-12 schools: merit pay for professors, tenure reform, and generally a much greater emphasis on measurement of whether professors are turning out students that meet certain goals.

The attempt in Texas has caused something of an identity crisis in that states higher education community, with opponents saying what needs to be reformed is Perrys control over university policies.

Scott told the News Service of Florida on Tuesday that he has discussed the Texas reforms with his appointees to university and college governing boards in an effort to line up support for a nascent campaign to dramatically change how universities and colleges are funded, overhaul professor tenure, emphasize teaching over research, and give students more influence.

An admirer of Texas, Scott has developed a friendly relationship with Perry, who is flirting with the idea of seeking the Republican nomination for President in 2012. Texas is regularly praised for its business-friendly climate and has weathered the economic recession better than most states.

But Perrys higher education reform efforts were not welcomed with open arms.

Perrys proposal tries to mold state universities into operating more like businesses, treating students more like customers, and universities like companies that offer a product - a degree.

The suggested changes include, in addition to professor merit pay, a greater emphasis on student evaluations and teaching in awarding tenure, abandoning the traditional accreditation system, and giving more state funding directly to students. Many of these ideas are outlined in a report called Seven Breakthrough Solutions, put out by a Perry donor named Jeff Sandefer and the right-leaning Texas Public Policy Foundation in 2008.

Perry also has called for a tuition freeze and the development of a $10,000 bachelors degree.

One of the things I really like about what he has in there is the fact that we should be measuring our professors, Scott said in an interview with the News Service of Florida on Tuesday. I believe students ought to be measuring the effectiveness of our professors because ultimately, it is the familys money paying for this. We really ought to have a measurement system (that is) student-centered.

Scott also praised the idea of merit pay and putting more money in the hands of students.

Our higher education system should work for the benefit of the students, Scott said.

In Texas, Perrys reforms have encountered pointed resistance from most universities.

Perrys office did not immediately return a request for comment on Tuesday.

Gerry Griffin, a former member of the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board and former director of NASAs Johnson Space Center, is part of a group opposing Perrys changes.

Griffin, an alumnus of Texas A&M University, said the group is concerned and trying to take the stance that we are against these kinds of reforms that have been shoved on our universities.

The group, the Texas Coalition for Excellence in Higher Education, includes former members of university governing boards, former university presidents, and prominent alumni and business leaders, such as Gary Kelly, CEO of Southwest Airlines.

Griffin said the solutions are too simplistic.

Universities are not a factory, he said.

Top-tier research institutions such as Texas A&M University and the University of Texas would become diploma mills if the full extent of the reforms were implemented, Griffin added.

At the end of the day, the reformers that started down this path only thought of numbers, Griffin said. They didnt think about the quality of education.

At Texas A&M, one effort to put into practice the Perry reforms involved a publicly available spreadsheet rating how much money each faculty member brought in to the university. It was so controversial it was taken down. The university also undertook an effort to pay faculty based on evaluations, but that was also cancelled, noted the Texas Tribune.

In Florida, groups like the United Faculty of Florida, which represents 23,000 faculty members and graduate assistants in the state, are alarmed by the reform proposals in Texas.

Tom Auxter, the statewide president for UFF and a philosophy professor at the University of Florida cautioned against trying to make universities run like a business.

You cant reduce higher education to a commercial model where you have products and customers, he said. Its not just a business, it is a profession and it is a future for students.

Auxter said there already is merit pay for university faculty and an extensive peer review system that is designed to weed out ineffective teachers and researchers. Students, too, weigh in through teacher evaluations.

We have systems for recognizing merit already, Auxter said.

Though many of Perrys reforms require legislative approval, he has gained allies by appointing to boards that govern universities in Texas people who support his reforms.

Scott appears to be taking a page out of that part of Perrys playbook. Scott said when he interviews people for positions on a university or colleges board of trustees, he gives them a copy of Seven Breakthrough Solutions.

I send them a copy of (the proposals) and say What do you think? Scott said.

In Florida, Scott appoints some, but not all, members of the boards of trustees for each university. He also selects all the appointed members of the Board of Governors, which oversees all Florida public universities. There are three members of the Board of Governors who are not appointed. They include the Commissioner of Education, a representative of the Florida Student Association, and a faculty member.

Scott acknowledged that Florida politics are different than Texas politics and said he was interested in merely raising the issues. By sending a copy of that to them, it starts the conversation, Scott said. Ultimately, he wants to understand how people think if Im going to put them on the board of a university.

Scotts interest in higher education reforms might come as surprise to some. In speeches and in media interviews, he focuses on his pledge to create jobs and stimulate Floridas economy, rarely straying into higher education topics.

But Scott said he eventually plans to lobby more aggressively for the changes. First, he is soliciting feedback from universities. If somebody has a better idea, Id like to understand those ideas first, Scott said.

It remains to be seen whether Scotts burgeoning plan to change higher education in Florida will be received more warmly than in Texas. Two lawmakers in charge of crafting higher education policy in Florida said Tuesday they had not even spoken to anyone in Scotts office about the reforms.

But Rep. Bill Proctor, R-St. Augustine, who is in charge of the House Education Committee, said on his own he is researching what Perry is trying to accomplish in Texas and just this week asked his staff to dig up more information.

If this past legislative session is any indication, Florida colleges and universities may be resistant to tinkering from outsiders. A proposal briefly floated by Rep. Erik Fresen, R-Miami, that would have eliminated tenure at state and community colleges was killed after the Florida College System voted to oppose it.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: arth; economy; education; fl; florida; rickperry; rickscott; scott
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1 posted on 07/26/2011 2:44:48 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If the Higher Education Coalition hates it, and UCLA hates it, then it’s probably a pretty good plan.


2 posted on 07/26/2011 2:48:28 PM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: RockinRight

I agree.

I think we’re on a roll!


3 posted on 07/26/2011 2:50:26 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
Texas Gov. Rick Perry eyes Florida talent, money in possible presidential bid
4 posted on 07/26/2011 2:51:32 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Worthless. Absolutely worthless without a serious reform of the curriculum accompanied a thorough housecleaning of Marxist faculty. Otherwise, it’s lipstick on a pig. A Marxist pig.


5 posted on 07/26/2011 3:01:29 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Noumenon

DID you READ it?


6 posted on 07/26/2011 3:03:05 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Another sterling recommendation for Gov. Perry. If the communists who brought you Obama are unhappy, it speaks highly for his program.


7 posted on 07/26/2011 3:10:55 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Yes. No discussion of the core issues - those issuea being what is taught, the reading lists, the teaching materials, the classroom environments.
8 posted on 07/26/2011 3:12:33 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Noumenon

Thanks, Sunshine.


9 posted on 07/26/2011 3:16:40 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Noumenon
Yes. No discussion of the core issues - those issuea being what is taught, the reading lists, the teaching materials, the classroom environments.

Give me a break! LOL. This is a news report. A VERY long news report because it is BIG news!

Get this ball rolling and there will be changes.

Why do you think they've started this discussion?

10 posted on 07/26/2011 3:18:12 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Deb

And a ‘long march through the institutions’ You’re welcome. The ghost of Gramsci is laughing his spectral ass off.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 3:31:53 PM PDT by Noumenon (The only 'NO' a liberal understands is the one that arrives at muzzle velocity.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
One of the things I really like about what he has in there is the fact that we should be measuring our professors, Scott said in an interview with the News Service of Florida on Tuesday. I believe students ought to be measuring the effectiveness of our professors because ultimately, it is the familys money paying for this. We really ought to have a measurement system (that is) student-centered.

Every single professor in the system should be fired and made to reapply for their jobs. It's about the only chance taxpayers will have to clear-out the dead wood.

12 posted on 07/26/2011 4:01:49 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: VeniVidiVici

All the governors need to get on board with this discussion.


13 posted on 07/26/2011 4:16:43 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


14 posted on 07/26/2011 4:32:53 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Any move to get rid of politicized junk courses, unneeded law schools, unneeded graduate programs, socialist breeding grounds, etc.?


15 posted on 07/26/2011 4:40:09 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: metmom

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16 posted on 07/26/2011 5:15:32 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hate to say it, but I totally agree with Perry (and Scott) on this one.

The system is TOTALLY PERVERTED now and should be illegal. If you look at “financial aid” in Ivy League schools, you’ll find that they no longer give any based on merit - it’s all based on ‘need’.

So they have a super-high sticker price that only families making $250k or more can afford flat out, and everyone else pays ‘based on their need’. This is SICK. I recently bought a (non-UAW) car and I paid ‘based on the price’. In fact, I don’t know any other product where you have to submit tax forms to know what the cost is...but you have to do that if you want to send your kid to college and you’re not loaded.

I’d love to see this system broken up, once and for all.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 5:36:40 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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18 posted on 07/26/2011 5:37:39 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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19 posted on 07/26/2011 5:39:20 PM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Socon-Econ
Any move to get rid of politicized junk courses, unneeded law schools, unneeded graduate programs, socialist breeding grounds, etc.?

Women's studies.... all those I hate America requirement courses.....institutions to gainfully employ socialists and create more.

Time to return to education and turn away from the insanity.

20 posted on 07/27/2011 1:48:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BobL
....- it’s all based on ‘need’.....

The new social justice mantra isn't race anymore, over the last decade it's been morphed into income -- the poor.

21 posted on 07/27/2011 1:53:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Talking heads discuss: Gov. Perry takes on college education
22 posted on 08/03/2011 3:41:24 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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