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ATF agents denounce rogue guns transfers Not told of ‘insane’ operation of arms allowed
Washington Times ^ | Chuck Neubauer

Posted on 07/26/2011 7:48:12 PM PDT by Nachum

ATF field agents working in Mexico broke ranks with their supervisors Tuesday during a rancorous five-hour House committee hearing, saying they were kept in the dark about a controversial undercover operation in which hundreds of guns ended up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent Carlos Canino, the ATF acting attache to Mexico; Darren Gil, former attache; and Jose Wall, senior agent in Tijuana, told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee they had serious concerns about the alarming rate of guns found in violent crimes in Mexico whose source was “Operation Fast and Furious” in Arizona.

“I would like to apologize to my former Mexican law enforcement counterparts and to the Mexican people for Operation Fast and Furious,” said Mr. Gil. “I hope they understand that this was kept secret from most of ATF, including me and my colleagues in Mexico.”

Mr. Gil said he found it “inconceivable” that any competent ATF agent would allow “firearms to disappear at all,” especially on an international border. As a result, he said, the Mexican people will continue to suffer the consequences of narcotics-related firearms violence.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: agents; atf; banglist; castaway; dea; denounce; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; obama; rogue
Full title: ATF agents denounce rogue guns transfers Not told of ‘insane’ operation of arms allowed to go south to Mexico cartels
1 posted on 07/26/2011 7:48:18 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 07/26/2011 7:49:29 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Oh my.

Another incredible story for the state-run media to ignore.


3 posted on 07/26/2011 7:51:08 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Nachum
" found it “inconceivable” that any competent ATF agent would allow “firearms to disappear at all,”

Any ATF agent who had knowledge of this operation and did not quit or become a whistle blower, committed a crime.

4 posted on 07/26/2011 7:53:10 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Nachum
he Mexican people will continue to suffer the consequences of narcotics-related firearms violence.

Gosh...this sounds like our cool, smart Prez killed poor brown people in Mexico..?

Why did he kill those poor brown people of faith..? Cuz I heard that in addition to two US agents it was over 150 Mexicans, so far, who are dead.

Hey, guys, how many people died in the Watergate scandal..?

This is so weird and sad, because an election is coming and I heard Obama really wants hispanic votes...

5 posted on 07/26/2011 7:53:55 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Nachum

Interesting. A Freeper wrote a great novel that included a portrayal of that kind of behavior in the BATFE... The free chapters are fascinating so far, and I rarely read fiction.

http://enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/index.htm


6 posted on 07/26/2011 8:03:27 PM PDT by familyop ("Plan? There ain't no plan!" --Pigkiller, "Beyond Thunderdome")
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To: Steely Tom
If Reagan were president the media would be at full froth. 24/7 news bulletins with breathless speculation on how far up the chain of command the scandal went - what did he know and when did he know it. Special counsel would already appointed, funded and subpoenaing records and calling witnesses.

I despise the hypocrites in a way thats hard to describe.

7 posted on 07/26/2011 8:08:17 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Nachum

Curious, what was the reasoning behind this operation?


8 posted on 07/26/2011 8:14:33 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Nachum
So what do we do about it?

Sit back and chat amongst ourselves about how horrible it is?

9 posted on 07/26/2011 8:16:21 PM PDT by sarasmom ( A Fine is a Tax for doing wrong. A Tax is a Fine for doing well.)
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To: skeeter
If Reagan were president the media would be at full froth. 24/7 news bulletins with breathless speculation on how far up the chain of command the scandal went - what did he know and when did he know it. Special counsel would already appointed, funded and subpoenaing records and calling witnesses.

Yes. His administration would be said to be "under siege" and his staff would be "circling the wagons." His presidency would be so routinely refered to as "troubled" that you'd start to think that the name of his political party was "troubled."

Law professors and historians would be in demand as every news show tried to draw parallels to other great presidential scandals. Well, the other great presidential scandal, because that's the only one that counts.

Can you imagine?

There'd be a "Deep Throat." Someone the media was getting inside information from. This person's existence would be an open secret, but those in the media who were talking to him (her?) would go to jail rather than reveal a name.

I'm sure there are a dozen other tropes of media feeding-frenzy etiquette that I'm forgetting here.

10 posted on 07/26/2011 8:18:06 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Nachum

Obama and Holder lied, people died
No blood for Mexican oil!
There’s a cancer on the presidency ...
All the president’s men are stone-walling
Arms for drugs!
Impeach O’Hitler

We could do this all night.


11 posted on 07/26/2011 8:19:59 PM PDT by tumblindice ("I want to make sure the American people aren't hurt." President 0 to La Raza)
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To: sarasmom

I call my Congressman once a week about this travesty. I try to underline that they are aimed at taking away American rights.


12 posted on 07/26/2011 8:23:11 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: Nachum

Part of the master plan....give them guns then let them come across the border....destroy America.


13 posted on 07/26/2011 8:27:46 PM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: gaijin

Yes, obummer is GUILTY of killing many more than just “brown” people in Mexico and Border Agents.....there are probably too many to count—not counting the dead homosexual found in Rev. Wrights “church”......how about the Black people in Libya.


14 posted on 07/26/2011 8:30:43 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: rawhide
"Curious, what was the reasoning behind this operation?"

To increase public awareness that we need more gun control laws on the books because existing ones are not working.

As absurd as that sounds, that is the stated purpose of the program as it was carried out. Tracking the weapons purchasers and subsequent chains of custody was all bullshite.

15 posted on 07/26/2011 8:32:09 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Nachum

I don’t believe any of them. I don’t believe the agents didn’t know. I say jail them all.


16 posted on 07/26/2011 8:32:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Deaf Smith

I agree with you. Any person who knew about this and did not become a whistleblower is a felon who should be put away. The only difference I see is that there chould be a 10X increase in the sentence for betrayal of government officials trying to make their citizens look like the crimminals.


17 posted on 07/26/2011 9:06:46 PM PDT by MtnClimber (A government powerful enough to tell you what to eat can tell you when you can breathe.)
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To: Deaf Smith

I agree with you. Any person who knew about this and did not become a whistleblower is a felon who should be put away. The only difference I see is that there should be a 10X increase in the sentence for the betrayal by government officials trying to make their citizens look like the crimminals.


18 posted on 07/26/2011 9:08:04 PM PDT by MtnClimber (A government powerful enough to tell you what to eat can tell you when you can breathe.)
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To: Deaf Smith

>Any ATF agent who had knowledge of this operation and did not quit or become a whistle blower, committed a crime.<

And what about the FBI agents who set the whole thing up?


19 posted on 07/26/2011 9:12:28 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: rawhide

>Curious, what was the reasoning behind this operation?<

Cover story: to track guns to the Mexican cartels to see where they went and be able to get the links to the higher ups in the cartels. To see who is doing the trafficking

Reality: Obama and HRC said that 90% of all guns in mexico were coming from the United States and that there needed to be stricter gun controls. So they made sure that their forecasts and numbers were correct to implement the controls.


20 posted on 07/26/2011 9:14:38 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: sarasmom

Support Issa and Grassley.

Soon enough Obama will have to stir up trouble for them. They are going after him now. They are talking about a special prosecutor. Once one hits Holder will go out the window.

Some people will no doubt try to fall on the sword, but Issa has been locking people in for a while now. It won;t go away that easy. He already has Holder on perjury.


21 posted on 07/26/2011 9:17:12 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: rawhide

Simple: By illegally and knowingly trafficking thousands of guns from the U.S. to Mexican drug gangs, the Obozo administration hoped to use the murder and mayhem these weapons caused to destroy the 2nd Amendment and disarm all Americans. Obozo is as bad as any tin pot Communist dictator in Latin and South America. No wonder that he, Hugo Chavez, and Fidel Castro are kindred souls.


22 posted on 07/26/2011 9:25:21 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: MasterGunner01

This operation has the same purpose as Hitler’s Reichstag fire and Gleiwitz incident.

Evil is as evil does.


23 posted on 07/26/2011 9:28:19 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: familyop

About ten days ago I got all three for my DH, he just finished the first one. He’s read parts out loud to me.

Utterly realistic, and very prescient. I highly recommend them. I rarely/nerver read fiction, and there are some very graphic descriptions of torture (so he says) that I can’t handle, so I don’t think I’ll be reading them unless I skip around.

For anyone who has read Rawles’ “Patriots”, this take the genre many leagues forward. They’re very education in many ways and so gripping that DH is having a hard time working on his chores and projects.


24 posted on 07/26/2011 9:28:31 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: gaijin
Cuz I heard that in addition to two US agents it was over 150 Mexicans, so far, who are dead.

That is 150 Mexican LEOs. No telling how many citizens have been killed with gunwalker guns.

25 posted on 07/26/2011 9:34:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (No dark sarcasm in the press room ... Hey!, Barry!, leave them bills alone.)
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To: Nachum

Add me to the gunrunner ping list.


26 posted on 07/26/2011 9:51:09 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: rawhide

Reasoning.

CSM mentions hive mind. Or group think.

This is getting stranger all the time.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2011/0726/How-Mexican-killers-got-US-guns-from-Fast-and-Furious-operation


27 posted on 07/26/2011 9:56:04 PM PDT by MurrietaMadman
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To: Steely Tom

This might be the “G. Gordon Liddy” of the story. He’s the “go between” from the Whitehouse to the ATF. Newell was questioned about their long friendship and “outside of channels” emails.

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28 posted on 07/26/2011 9:56:53 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MikeSteelBe

Exactly right. There can be no compromise with evil.


29 posted on 07/26/2011 10:08:38 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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