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The Cult That Is Destroying America (Krugman :"Obama is a conservative")
NY times Opinion ^ | July 26, 2011 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 07/26/2011 8:32:13 PM PDT by sickoflibs

Watching our system deal with the debt ceiling crisis — a wholly self-inflicted crisis, which may nonetheless have disastrous consequences — it’s increasingly obvious that what we’re looking at is the destructive influence of a cult that has really poisoned our political system.

And no, I don’t mean the fanaticism of the right. Well, OK, that too. But my feeling about those people is that they are what they are; you might as well denounce wolves for being carnivores. Crazy is what they do and what they are.

No, the cult that I see as reflecting a true moral failure is the cult of balance, of centrism.

Think about what’s happening right now. We have a crisis in which the right is making insane demands, while the president and Democrats in Congress are bending over backward to be accommodating — offering plans that are all spending cuts and no taxes, plans that are far to the right of public opinion.

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The reality, of course, is that we already have a centrist president — actually a moderate conservative president. Once again, health reform — his only major change to government — was modeled on Republican plans, indeed plans coming from the Heritage Foundation. And everything else — including the wrongheaded emphasis on austerity in the face of high unemployment — is according to the conservative playbook.

(Excerpt) Read more at krugman.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: business; debt; dementalillness; economy; krugman; leftuniverse
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To: sickoflibs

any time Paul wants to donate those huge speaking fees he gets to the US Treasury...that would be great (big greedy phony)


51 posted on 07/26/2011 11:02:32 PM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: sickoflibs

What does that boy have in his pipe?..
He is quite fried.


52 posted on 07/26/2011 11:06:52 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Parley Baer
Paul is a very sick man. He needs medical attention right away.

Doctors hell - he needs an exorcist.

53 posted on 07/27/2011 1:00:47 AM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.


54 posted on 07/27/2011 2:55:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: umgud

The only way Obama the Marxist could be considered a “conservative” is to other Marxists who are “more marxist then he is.

As yuri said...
It happened in Grenada when Maurice Bishop, he was already a Marxist - he was executed by the new Marxists who was more Marxist than this Marxist.

Same happened in Afghanistan, when, uh, first there was Taraki he was killed by Amin, then Amin was killed by Karmal with the help of KGB.

Same happened in Bangladesh where Mujibur Rahman, very pro-soviet leftist; was assassinated by his own Marxist-Leninist military comrades.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2095202/posts


55 posted on 07/27/2011 3:25:18 AM PDT by AngryMan0
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To: sickoflibs
I came here to understand the present problems of the uS .

In my opinion the worst problem is not the huge economic problems not the FED buying your own extrem deficit and creating a huge inflation, not the unemployment and the huge private deficit and on and on.

The US lost the ability to solve these problems and it does not really matter if they come to a last minute result here.

If you go on with that political war and blame game instead of creating solutions things will become worse and worse.

I am from germany we had and have a lot of problems but at the end of the day from the left to the right from the unions to the companies there will be a solution. I might take a long time as for example the reunification costs.

Your political system and culture is really scary at least for me.

56 posted on 07/27/2011 3:25:40 AM PDT by flambo
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To: sickoflibs

Good grief, these lefties are really bat sh*t crazy.

The idea, I guess, is to try and talk about Obama as a center right guy. What a joke.

That Bernie Sanders is playing the same game.


57 posted on 07/27/2011 3:40:37 AM PDT by dforest
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To: wac3rd
People need to understand that the Left does move the goalposts in language, culture, morality and ultimately, in removing unwanted parts of history they want to erase.

The Left has no "center", no anchor. They just have the constant lighthouse of Marxism-Leninism and the challenge of driving us all into their concentration camp. They're therefore reality-absolved, their only points of reference being the lighthouse of doctrine and our points of resistance, so that in a sense, they revolve around us, and their speech and conceptualization therefore revolves around whatever it takes to move us away from our anchors, our reality, and toward their Red doctrinal goal.

Their existence is therefore wholly derivative and relativistic -- relative to where we are and where their goals are. There's no room for reality or science or logic or "truth" in any of that.

58 posted on 07/27/2011 3:47:56 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: sickoflibs

Thinking THE most liberal Senator in Senate is a mderate makes a person a Marxist. No other way to view it.


59 posted on 07/27/2011 3:54:46 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sickoflibs

Krugman is a moron with a Nobel prize.


60 posted on 07/27/2011 3:57:10 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: flambo
Your political system and culture is really scary at least for me.

Since you are probably a socialist you will never understand. Go eat some saurerkruat and watch the show. The middle class of this country has been defending your sorry butts in Europe and have been treated like the worlds's piggy bank for too long.

61 posted on 07/27/2011 3:58:43 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: flambo
If you go on with that political war and blame game instead of creating solutions things will become worse and worse.

The problem is that the American political community has been invaded by doctrinaire Marxism-Leninism, which is at a cusp of overthrowing the entire political reality and political system, but has encountered fierce resistance from what remains of American political thought and the resistant Jeffersonian underclass.

The old Hamiltonians have done their suicidal deal with the Marxists and are prepared to stand aside now and let the Marxists take the country down, in return for assurances that certain economic and social-status arrangements will not be disturbed. Of course this is folly, but that is the nature of hubris.

It remains, then, for the old Jeffersonian liberals and ordoliberals ("conservatives" now), the old yeomanry and their modern heirs, to fight it out with the Marxists, who have long-marched through the communications and education institutions and are determined now to impose their top-down, vanguard-led revolution. Obama is now seeking open conflict and an excuse to use force, as a way to break the stalemate in his favor.

The conservatives are trying to rally the People and use the Constitution to stalemate him until he can be overreached in the 2012 elections, while he labors to demagogue his 43% "tax-eater" share of the decaying electorate to turn out to return him to power next year with a renewed minoritarian mandate to oppress the successfully-divided conservative majority. That is where things stand.

62 posted on 07/27/2011 4:03:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: hometoroost

Crazy as a sh*t house rat.
It’s a wonder he head doesn’t spin around when he makes
some of these pronouncment.


63 posted on 07/27/2011 4:08:15 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: sickoflibs
Ah yes.....the DNC must have sent out the SOS talking points fax to the faithful media. They see Obama's ship sinking as more people become aware of what a titanic mistake has been made. The life-boats are hitting the water to try and get as far away from this marxist as possible, but alas, the media has tied their fate to him.
They threw all objectivity out the proverbial porthole to get Obama elected, and now they are not only rearranging the deck chairs, they want to have a concert to keep as many people on board as possible. They've got the bread and circuses crowd locked up in steerage so they are not worried about losing that vote. They are gauranteed to go down with the ship. It is all the other people that might have an original thought in their head or just the common sense to know when something is seriously wrong, like the cold black waters of economic disaster rushing in.
Krugman, with the rest of the media figure that if they all start saying Obama is a centrist and a conservative, and keep the band playing, maybe enough people will suspend disbelief, suspend fear itself, suspend common-sense, and faithfully buy another ticket to keep Obama afloat in 2012.

How long can you hold your breath Mr. Krugman?
64 posted on 07/27/2011 4:33:03 AM PDT by domeika
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Is there a single true statement in this screed?

Just the opening "Watching our system deal with the debt ceiling crisis — a wholly self-inflicted crisis, which may nonetheless have disastrous consequences". Everything after that departs at right angles to reality.

65 posted on 07/27/2011 4:45:36 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: AdaGray
Krugman is a moron with a Nobel prize.

Coincidentally, so is Obama.

66 posted on 07/27/2011 4:47:18 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: sickoflibs

The real question is this: How does a fool like this guy gain a forum in which to vent his idiocies?

Oh, wait a minute - The New York Times.

Never mind.


67 posted on 07/27/2011 4:56:17 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: AngryMan0
The only way Obama the Marxist could be considered a “conservative” is to other Marxists who are “more marxist then he is.

You forget that the left looks at 1984 as an instruction manual, not a cautionary tale.

Obama is turning into a total disaster (the the surprise of nobody here). But since the principles of liberalism/collectivism can't possibly to blame, because they are perfect, the only answer must be that Obama has strayed from the path of purity and must be purged.

Of course, why waste a good purge? If he isn't on board with the true plan, he must therefore be actively working for the evil forces known as conservatives and is, therefore, a conservative himself.

Q.E.D.

Now decided, the Ministry of Truth embarks on the path to rewrite whatever history (and present) they need to to make it reflect the agreed-upon reality. The ideal solution would be for Obama to realize his crimethink and come back to the principles of the Inner Party, but this approach also gives the Inner Party the means of cutting him off completely.

68 posted on 07/27/2011 5:00:54 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: umgud

Same here. If he’s not already ill, he’s pretty clearly undergoing a serious mental breakdown.


69 posted on 07/27/2011 6:34:33 AM PDT by jpl
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To: central_va
Yes we are all sauerkraut eating socialists marxists or whatever here. Germany is a socialistic nightmare it´s really hell. Every morning i make my morning prayer to Marx after singing the international socialistic anthem.

But if we are socialists here and China is at least according to their own understanding a socialsit country than the two leading exporting nations on this planet that gain market shares on the world markets would be socialistic countries.

So it might be better to see germany as a democratic market based society wouldn´it?

70 posted on 07/27/2011 6:57:23 AM PDT by flambo
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To: lentulusgracchus
The last time i used the word ordoliberalism was in my last work at university about german ordoliberalism i guess it was Eucken an i do not know if i ever used the word marxism before.

Ideology or to use a more positive word values are a good thing but this is not a classroom the university or a church we are talking about here.

It´s a serious economic crisis and huge structural problems. It´s not the time for general debate or ideology. It´s time to unite and get together and find a solution for all people for the complete country.

The deficit is insane and everybody with a clear mind knows that both things are needed less spending and higher taxes.

The political debate should perhaps be about the how not the if. The question is where to cut and which taxes to increase how much.

71 posted on 07/27/2011 6:57:42 AM PDT by flambo
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To: flambo
everybody with a clear mind knows that both things are needed less spending and higher taxes

Nonsense. Lower spending -- of course that's true. But higher taxes? No way. The government doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem, one that has not been created by the current Administration, but certainly exacerbated by it (and the Democrat Congress over the previous 2 years) by tripling the annual deficit.

And even if revenue were the problem, higher taxes do not equate to higher revenue. There's already a ton of money sitting unproductive on the sidelines instead of being invested into economic growth because the capital holders are being punished for success and are being threatened with even more punishment in the future. Lower the taxes and the regulatory burdens (e.g., Obamacare mandates) and investment in business will return, which leads to more jobs, more profits, and a larger tax base.

72 posted on 07/27/2011 9:04:17 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: flambo

We don’t do tariffs like you guys. Protectionism works for some.


73 posted on 07/27/2011 10:44:31 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: flambo
The deficit is insane and everybody with a clear mind knows that both things are needed less spending and higher taxes.

Wrongo ace. Now is the EXACT time for idealogy. Raising taxes is an idealogical event is it not? The US Govt taks in 200B / month. The Feds have a spending problem not an income problem.

For revenue we need to exact a tribute from europe for the Marshall Plan and defending their lazy socizaliastr asses for 50 years.

74 posted on 07/27/2011 10:48:06 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: flambo

socizaliastr = socialist


75 posted on 07/27/2011 10:50:08 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: flambo

socizaliastr = socialist


76 posted on 07/27/2011 10:50:08 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: sickoflibs

Call me a Cult member if I think a person or a country should never spend more than they take in.


77 posted on 07/27/2011 10:50:26 AM PDT by listenhillary (2007 deficit 160 Billion, 2008 - 458 billion, 2009 -1.4 Trillion, 2010 - 1.6 Trillion)
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To: flambo

The higher taxes will crush any hopes of an economic recovery.

Even the Democrats agreed when they extended the Bush tax cuts earlier this year.


78 posted on 07/27/2011 10:56:52 AM PDT by listenhillary (2007 deficit 160 Billion, 2008 - 458 billion, 2009 -1.4 Trillion, 2010 - 1.6 Trillion)
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