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How Much Land Does the Federal Government Own?
All Voices ^ | July 18, 2008

Posted on 07/27/2011 4:38:42 AM PDT by don-o

This data was originally published in Stanford Magazine. It demonstrates what percentage of the land in each state is owned directly by the federal government.


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1 posted on 07/27/2011 4:38:43 AM PDT by don-o
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To: don-o

I realize this data is dated, but I want to see some discussion of the United States as a land owner. Is this what we really want / need?


2 posted on 07/27/2011 4:42:02 AM PDT by don-o (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: don-o

Hi don-o,
I realize my notions are somewhat archaic, but I’d love to see the guv raise a little cash by selling via another homestead act, of some sort. Excluding sales to corporations wishing to buy the country (or most of it), of course. I find no good reason for the government to justify owning so much land.


3 posted on 07/27/2011 4:49:07 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: don-o

What in the hell difference does it make to you, much of that land a lizard would not live on and the rest is public parks and national forest. Another nut wanting something for nothing.


4 posted on 07/27/2011 4:51:28 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: don-o

All you need to know is “They” control almost ALL of the Green River Formation under Colorado, Utah and Wyoming and its 1.1 to 1.3 TRILLION barrels of recoverable oil!


5 posted on 07/27/2011 4:52:17 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: org.whodat

A lot of the land is valuable and we spend billions a year “upkeeping” it via BLM, USFS, etc. Since we own the land it is either entirely off limits to mining, oil companies, developers, or homesteaders or access is severely restricted. Wilderness areas is a favorite and expanding option as are administrative diktat and national monument. There are very valuable mineral lands in Nevada that are off limits because of their proximity to wilderness areas, death valley, etc. The areas that are option are a huge hassle to mine or pump despite a private entity owning the mineral rights.

The country would also be better off if all forest lands were sold and responsible forest management was implemented. We have huge, record forest fires in the southwest due to the forest service acting in the interests of environazis and not thinning the forest where the forest companies used to in order to prevent such fires. In the few instances where thinning is allowed on a small, “trial” basis on the NM/AZ border the forest service pays the company to thin rather than make it a part of larger bid that would bring the forest service money. It’s sick that fire prevention efforts have been co-opted by the environazis.


6 posted on 07/27/2011 4:59:27 AM PDT by jimnm
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To: don-o

I live in NJ. In our municipality, ONE THIRD of the land is owned by either the municipality, the county, the state and the federal governments. These are seperate parcels of land and are not co-owned.


7 posted on 07/27/2011 5:00:15 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: don-o
Most of the states where the government holds the largest stakes are still developing states. The feds do release blocks as they are needed for expanding population. It is a careful balance because releasing too much land too soon can crash real estate values.

Much of the land is held in trust for Indians and the Feds have no right to sell.

Other areas are virtually worthless and have no commercial value.

Aside from National Parks and other property that has national interest, much of the land could be turned over to the states except the states do not want the expense of maintaining and administering it.

8 posted on 07/27/2011 5:04:30 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: org.whodat
What in the hell difference does it make to you... Another nut wanting something for nothing.

Wow. What's your problem? You must not be aware how the government seizes land so mining and oil operations are forbidden. Ever hear of ANWR? Selling land to Americans and American corporations would spur economic activity and raise money to pay off federal debt. Or had you also not heard about the Federal debt?

9 posted on 07/27/2011 5:05:36 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: don-o
Don't forget this when the Fed tells you that they can't pay back the Social Security that you paid in!

10 posted on 07/27/2011 5:06:34 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (White Hetero Able Male (WHAM) a.k.a. NOT Holder's people)
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To: don-o
I realize this data is dated, but I want to see some discussion of the United States as a land owner. Is this what we really want / need?

I have always said that these blocks of land, often extremely valuable land is being held as collateral and will eventually be surrendered to the debt holders - the privately held Federal Reserve, China, and others in on the scam.

Eventually the debt "crisis" (don't let a crisis go to waste) will be used to force Americans to decide whether the FedGov should sell off the lands to China and others, or if they should loot the private 401k plans to underwrite the government. I'm afraid the answer will most likely be "both".

We The People have been conditioned to think that there is no government waste, that every dollar spent is absolutely mandatory, that every government agent is born of heavenly angels with the best of intents - and this debt problem suddenly came out of no where and will destroy the country right now unless we sell out to our enemies and loot the wealth of the few remaining Producers.

11 posted on 07/27/2011 5:07:46 AM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: jimnm
We have millions of homes setting empty, and you think we need home steads, ROFLMAO, and the mining stuff is bull, we have tons of rare earth deposits in kentucy, yet China leads the world in production, because of cheap labor.

The world is full of people wanting a free ride, those days are over get a job and buy yourself a place to live, and stop trying to steal out of the other mans bowl of rice.

12 posted on 07/27/2011 5:07:52 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Bull crap, selling land to corporations turns into nothing more than crony capitalism, how in the hell do you think Harry Reid got rich in Nevada, crony deals on government land. And ANWR has nothing to do with the topic, if you want to drill for oil there get the senate to approve it. And much of that western property has no water, and there is no more water available.
13 posted on 07/27/2011 5:14:06 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: don-o

The American government is just another mafia gang out to enrich themselves and their buddies. That’s all.

There is no such thing as ‘private’ anything in America. There is no such thing as ‘freedom’ anymore.

There is no such thing as a ‘private business’. Unless you buy from who they tell you, hire who they tell you, sell to who they tell you at the price they tell you, and the most important thing of all, unless you give them their self determined ‘cut of the take’, the gov will shut you down and take what they want.

There is no ‘private’ ownership of land or anything at all in America. Everything owned in America is rented year to year from the government. Try missing a couple of rent payments to the government and see what happens. They will foreclose and come take everything you have and sell it. And, if you happen to be sitting on some property they (or their buddies) want, they just ‘take it’ in any case.

We are all just puny serfs laboring to support the outrageous hundreds of millions dollar salaries and lifestyles of our feudal lords and their friends. The so called ‘public serpents’ are now our masters and our oppressors.


14 posted on 07/27/2011 5:17:31 AM PDT by 240B (he is doing everything he said he wouldn't and not doing what he said he would)
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To: don-o

You’re right. The federal government can’t justify owning that much real estate while being unable to pay it’s bills. Some land should be sold to pay down the debt. There is also the principle of federalism in which the states should be in control of most activities within their borders. This can’t happen where the feds own the majority of the land.


15 posted on 07/27/2011 5:18:54 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: org.whodat

The west doesn’t have water. Water...Estimates vary, but each person uses about 80-100 gallons of water per day. We have 8 or 9 million ILLEGALS living in the west. Let’s say they only use 40 gallons a day that is 8,000,000 X 40 gallons X 365 days. That’s a lot of gallons that we could direct elsewhere!


16 posted on 07/27/2011 5:22:15 AM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: jimnm
Since we own the land it is either entirely off limits to mining, oil companies, developers, or homesteaders or access is severely restricted.

While national park land is closed to mining and drilling, BLM land is where most of the mining in the west happens. It is also where much of the cattle grazing in the west happens.

17 posted on 07/27/2011 5:24:14 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: don-o
UN wildlife project
18 posted on 07/27/2011 5:26:04 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: The Theophilus
Winner! It was all pledged by FDR as chattel in the banking acts of the 30’s.
19 posted on 07/27/2011 5:29:51 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (De Oppresso libre!)
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To: don-o

Other than National Parks and federal government locations all of this should be deeded back to the states.


20 posted on 07/27/2011 5:33:31 AM PDT by anton
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To: don-o

if you count wetland regulations and the chesapeake bay and ocean watersheds, maryland is 100% owned by the state and feds.

the data displayed on the map is appalling. we have no private property rights anymore...

welcome to the new world order.

teeman


21 posted on 07/27/2011 5:34:18 AM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: jimnm

“It’s sick that fire prevention efforts have been co-opted by the environazis.”

You can drive through sections of the national forests that are just blackened stumps and nothing has grown back for 50 years because the fires were so super hot it sterilized the soil.


22 posted on 07/27/2011 5:35:43 AM PDT by Liberty Wins
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To: WellyP
Will that bring lake Meade back to full pool. Need to file this argument in the silly file

Forget to add that if you fools think you are going to sell off the eastern forest lands, there will be a whole bunch of hunters will to fight you over that one and most of them are rather well armed. This kook idea of selling national forest is nothing more than an idiot ideal of the Ron Paul crowd.

23 posted on 07/27/2011 5:35:55 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: don-o

Didn’t Clinton sell some of this land to foreigners and aren’t drug dealers cultivating it?


24 posted on 07/27/2011 5:38:59 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: org.whodat

Get yourself a freah bowl of corn flakes. Sounds like somebody pee-peeed in yours this morning.


25 posted on 07/27/2011 5:51:45 AM PDT by don-o (Abolish FReepathons. Be a monthly donor.)
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To: don-o
Through executive oreders President Clinton, during his eight years in the White House, locking away 5.9 million acres all told throughout the country.

In 1996, he created the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument by taking control of 1.9 million acres of land in southern Utah. Over 135,000 acres of this land was being leased by private developers were producing over 65,000 barrels of oil a year from five active wells. Bill Clinton’s fiat shut down those operations and capped those wells for good, depriving the country of a significant source of domestic energy.

26 posted on 07/27/2011 5:54:26 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: org.whodat

I agree that much of it is unusable to most people but I don’t think it is constitutional and I wonder why no one has ever taken it through the court system.


27 posted on 07/27/2011 6:01:05 AM PDT by tiki
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To: don-o
How Much Land Does the Federal Government Own?

All of it. Our government no longer protects personal property rights. Just because they haven't taken yours yet doesn't mean they won't.

28 posted on 07/27/2011 6:12:14 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: don-o

What we need is a great big LAND SALE!

A) Uncle Sam is broke and he needs the money.

B) (Just on Principle) It makes NO SENSE for ANY “government” to “own” 30% of ANY “Free” country.


29 posted on 07/27/2011 6:17:09 AM PDT by OkiMusashi (Beware the fury of a patient man. --- John Dryden)
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To: don-o

Too much.


30 posted on 07/27/2011 6:30:47 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: don-o
When one throws tax-exempt "open space" districts, trusts, and foundations into the total, effectively land that the Federal government controls by taxation, the picture gets far worse.

The answer is: Our creditors own the West.

31 posted on 07/27/2011 6:30:52 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Democrats are no longer into "tax and spend," now it's all about "spend and tax.")
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To: Straight Vermonter
BLM land is where most of the mining in the west happens. It is also where much of the cattle grazing in the west happens.

BZZZT!!! Wrongo! Grazing has been virtually shut down so that corporate ag and overseas investors can cash in, while mining is the almost exclusive province of overseas interests (see "creditors").

32 posted on 07/27/2011 6:34:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Democrats are no longer into "tax and spend," now it's all about "spend and tax.")
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To: sayuncledave

I’d go for that, but most of that land probably isn’t worth much, really. Mostly desert.

I think SOME could be sold to companies, but only up to a certain number of acres per organization total. Preference given to institutions and individuals that are US based and wish to use the land for anything that would create jobs.


33 posted on 07/27/2011 6:39:47 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: don-o
Do believe you have that backwards, your I want a free ride, washed back on you, now do not be late for the next libaturd meeting. Ron Paul will be mad.

and the next time you dig up this crap remove the lands that the government holds in trust for the native Americans.

34 posted on 07/27/2011 6:40:43 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat

How is it something for nothing? Excluding actual national parks, although the land isn’t worth that much, I can’t see any reason for the government to own it. Why NOT sell it?


35 posted on 07/27/2011 6:41:00 AM PDT by RockinRight (If we're "teabaggers" then they're "d-baggers.")
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To: sayuncledave

What do you think the criminal traitors in Washington are using for collateral to induce the ChiComs to loan trillions of dollars to us?


36 posted on 07/27/2011 6:42:10 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RockinRight

Why we have thousands of buildings, and locations in the rust belt falling down. Those locations have water and people looking for work.


37 posted on 07/27/2011 6:42:37 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: RockinRight
Some day it may be needed, in the mean time, the little animals need a home. LOL, actually people that want to sell these lands either want to steal it are they are the type that would eat there seed corn and have nothing for the future. Also a lot of it is Indian reservation land.
38 posted on 07/27/2011 6:46:14 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

That is true, all but the reservation lands.


39 posted on 07/27/2011 6:48:11 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: don-o

I hear the ChiComs would love to buy lots of that Western land especially in California and move a few millions of Chinese settlers there

The ChiComs pay 2-3 trillion and that takes a large chunk out of the Federale debt. The Germans were demanding the Greeks sell the Parthenon and other historic sites to raise cash.


40 posted on 07/27/2011 6:48:13 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT -- works better if you're already smart)
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To: don-o

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting.


41 posted on 07/27/2011 7:14:28 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: The Theophilus

Great post!


42 posted on 07/27/2011 7:17:12 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: don-o; All

Early on in GWs term, didn’t he want to ‘sell’ government land and put it back into the private sector? Of course the idea was killed somehow.


43 posted on 07/27/2011 7:19:29 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Palin/Perry 2012)
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To: sayuncledave

Hear hear!

Use every penny to pay OFF the debt.


44 posted on 07/27/2011 7:20:29 AM PDT by listenhillary (It still increases the debt limit.)
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To: org.whodat
Forget to add that if you fools think you are going to sell off the eastern forest lands, there will be a whole bunch of hunters will to fight you that one and most of them are rather well armed.

So hunters wanting free access to hunting land isn't wanting something for nothing?

Bunch of free loaders need to lease or buy their own hunting property.

45 posted on 07/27/2011 7:26:14 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Hamilton pledge it for collateral to borrow money to pay off the national debt.


46 posted on 07/27/2011 7:27:54 AM PDT by org.whodat (What does the Republican party stand for////??? absolutely nothing.)
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To: org.whodat

Armed socialists pledge to protect “free” hunting land. How could they think of taking away our entitlement? We’ve hunted here for years.


47 posted on 07/27/2011 7:30:23 AM PDT by listenhillary (It still increases the debt limit.)
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To: anton
Other than National Parks and federal government locations all of this should be deeded back to the states.

Which clause of the Constitution authorizes the Federal Government to run a park system? I can't find it.

48 posted on 07/27/2011 7:31:54 AM PDT by triumphant values (Never criticize that to your right.)
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To: org.whodat
And ANWR has nothing to do with the topic, if you want to drill for oil there get the senate to approve it.

It has everything to do with it. Yes, most of the land in the graphic is worthless, but ANWR drilling (and other mining, forestry, etc.) needs congressional approval because it's federal land. North Dakota is enjoying an oil boom because the oil is reachable on state or private land. It's a good thing no one around here is an advocate of excessive federal land ownership, such as yourself.

49 posted on 07/27/2011 7:32:23 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: don-o

50 posted on 07/27/2011 7:32:55 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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